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NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-11 02:45:40
January 11 2012 02:43 GMT
#3141
On January 11 2012 11:33 BlackMagister wrote:
Rainman needs to learn new champs. Teemo doesn't seem to be very good in the games he runs him. TSM scrimming EDG again.
TSM: Teemo, Alistar, Skarner, Tristina, Gragas
EDG:Vayne, Janna, Lee Sin, Ryze, GP


Does Bronzevirus stream?


We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-11 02:47:22
January 11 2012 02:46 GMT
#3142
On January 11 2012 10:59 Attakijing wrote:
i still dont get how dota can be fun with tp scrolls. it seems like you have to keep track of how many people on the other team have how many tp scrolls at all times in order to make sure you aren't getting into a long drawn out fight where their whole team and your whole team tp's in. It also seems like it would totally remove the LoL macro strategy, i.e. "cool theres 4 top lets defend it and push bot."

TP has its gives and takes. The CD is reasonably long, so it is possible to bait TPs and abuse the fact that certain enemy team members will have limited mobility for the next minute. It also alters the dynamics of tower trades--since outer towers can be more valuable than inner towers due to how they move you further out.

Also, TP scroll channel time increases successively by 2 seconds for every TP previously targeted in that area in the last 25 seconds. So even a team mass-TPing to defend a tower is not something you do as completely reactionary. The first guy will appear in 3 seconds, and the 5th guy will take a full 11 seconds for his TP to finish. With that long of a spread, half your team will be dead before you get there if you all TP onto a tower that's getting hit. So again, if you want to team-defend a tower, you have to TP pretty early--potentially getting those TPs baited--or use Glyph, and TP to the tower behind it, but Glyph is on a 5 minute CD, so managing it is non-trivial.
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BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-11 03:04:57
January 11 2012 03:02 GMT
#3143
Well Teemo did well this game pushing out at least one enemy in fights not dying so lots of mushrooms for vision. TSM up on tower kills and baron. TOO making it clear how much he hates teemo and fat people despite how well they're doing. EDG surrenders. TSM loses because they surrender right after EDG does.

TSM scrimming Goose next.

Talking about "R" comps now.
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
January 11 2012 03:03 GMT
#3144
YESSSSS TSM last minute surrender in scrim... my friends deny me so much IP by doing this way too much in normal -.-
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
January 11 2012 03:05 GMT
#3145
On January 11 2012 12:03 CeriseCherries wrote:
YESSSSS TSM last minute surrender in scrim... my friends deny me so much IP by doing this way too much in normal -.-

How does it effect ip?
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
January 11 2012 03:07 GMT
#3146
On January 11 2012 12:05 NotSorry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 12:03 CeriseCherries wrote:
YESSSSS TSM last minute surrender in scrim... my friends deny me so much IP by doing this way too much in normal -.-

How does it effect ip?

win = more ip than loss... if you surrender even after other team in certian window, you still lose XD
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
January 11 2012 03:08 GMT
#3147
wat de fuk

saintvicious googles tossgirl: "she's ok, I'd beat her up, but she doesn't even play protoss, that lying bitch"
Translator:3
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
January 11 2012 03:11 GMT
#3148
Saint knows without knowing, he's always got oracles on.

Also does anyone remember how people open jungle singed? I did regrowth pend and potion but I felt kind of weak by getting to wraiths the 2nd time and skipping red. Mind you I did kind of on the spot the jungle singed so I was sorta winging it.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
tobi9999
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1966 Posts
January 11 2012 03:12 GMT
#3149
On January 11 2012 11:34 tobi9999 wrote:
Connection Failure: Unable to connect to PVP.net server

ZzzZzzz
I've done everything, updated my computer, repaired LoL, etcetc

After this patch it still won't fucking let me log on. No idea what happened, didn't really do anything.


QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ
The support page not helpful at all, doesn't even tell me why the hell this is happening

Well, can't log in, gg.
"tobi is ur iq 9999? cuz i think it might be u so smart wowowow." -Artosis
Vathus
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada404 Posts
January 11 2012 03:15 GMT
#3150
On January 11 2012 12:12 tobi9999 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 11:34 tobi9999 wrote:
Connection Failure: Unable to connect to PVP.net server

ZzzZzzz
I've done everything, updated my computer, repaired LoL, etcetc

After this patch it still won't fucking let me log on. No idea what happened, didn't really do anything.


QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ
The support page not helpful at all, doesn't even tell me why the hell this is happening

Well, can't log in, gg.


I wasn't able to log in the other day because my internet explorer some how set itself to offline mode. Try checking that I guess? =/
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
January 11 2012 03:17 GMT
#3151
On January 11 2012 12:08 infinitestory wrote:
wat de fuk

saintvicious googles tossgirl: "she's ok, I'd beat her up, but she doesn't even play protoss, that lying bitch"

when i found out tossgirl played terran i was a sad panda for the day :[
OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
January 11 2012 03:26 GMT
#3152
On January 11 2012 12:17 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 12:08 infinitestory wrote:
wat de fuk

saintvicious googles tossgirl: "she's ok, I'd beat her up, but she doesn't even play protoss, that lying bitch"

when i found out tossgirl played terran i was a sad panda for the day :[


For the day? Dude i was sad panda for a solid week when I learned this ._.
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
January 11 2012 03:29 GMT
#3153
Of course she plays Terran. Terran OP
Decisions Determine Destiny - Terranasaur#1719 D3 #557 SC2 3DS FC: 2423-3623-8068
tobi9999
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1966 Posts
January 11 2012 03:30 GMT
#3154
On January 11 2012 12:15 Vathus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 12:12 tobi9999 wrote:
On January 11 2012 11:34 tobi9999 wrote:
Connection Failure: Unable to connect to PVP.net server

ZzzZzzz
I've done everything, updated my computer, repaired LoL, etcetc

After this patch it still won't fucking let me log on. No idea what happened, didn't really do anything.


QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ
The support page not helpful at all, doesn't even tell me why the hell this is happening

Well, can't log in, gg.


I wasn't able to log in the other day because my internet explorer some how set itself to offline mode. Try checking that I guess? =/


that's the first thing I did haha
"tobi is ur iq 9999? cuz i think it might be u so smart wowowow." -Artosis
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-11 03:45:09
January 11 2012 03:33 GMT
#3155
CLG behind in kills 9-12 in an arranged 5. Doublelift keeps getting ganked bot and rest of lanes keep killing each other. Now up in towers taking out 4-1. Yep now they're definitely winning.

TSM not scrimming I guess. Not sure why it was cancelled.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-11 03:35:24
January 11 2012 03:34 GMT
#3156
On January 11 2012 09:23 Treadmill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 09:16 UniversalSnip wrote:
Things I don't like about the new masteries:

- Highest half or so of defense tree blows
- Poor readability on utility tree, I have no idea what the value of the majority of these masteries are. We're talking about marginal advantages per point and since the benefits are basically invisible in game there's no opacity to point selection here. I suspect I would actually be using this on some non-supports if I had any idea what I was getting in game. Since 21 defense kind of evidently sucks this ends up making offense look crazy op.
- Still some 'trap' masteries like the 0.5% damage. There's more than enough customization options that distinguish new players from experienced ones in the items, why in the masteries too...? When you pick a shitty item in game somebody will educate you and you learn, when you pick a shitty mastery you will probably have it indefinitely.
- Summoner masteries, I don't understand the purpose of these. I'm really confused about this, why not just have the upgraded versions by default? Nothing more annoying than going back and having to reset everything for one mastery point switch, I don't see how I as a player am getting more fun out of putting one point in these things or not. It's not even a meaningful choice because the alternative is almost always worthless.

Things I do like:
- Pretty much everything else, the new trees are just more usable than the old ones, there's less garbage and i like having the offense tree be a viable caster option.

How is the defence tree bad exactly? Sure mercenary/honorguard are bad but initiator/enlightenment seem okay, and Juggernaut looks a lot stronger than the top offense mastery. Plus the lower tier masteries are good enough that you can easily get to 21 off them - 6 armour/mr, veterans scars, 3 hp5, then initiator/enlightenment/juggernaut. How is that bad?


just not that much gold value

On January 11 2012 09:53 Alzadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 09:16 UniversalSnip wrote:
Things I don't like about the new masteries:

- Highest half or so of defense tree blows
- Poor readability on utility tree, I have no idea what the value of the majority of these masteries are. We're talking about marginal advantages per point and since the benefits are basically invisible in game there's no opacity to point selection here. I suspect I would actually be using this on some non-supports if I had any idea what I was getting in game. Since 21 defense kind of evidently sucks (at least to me, I'm not sure if anyone else agrees with this) it ends up making offense look crazy op.
- Still some 'trap' masteries like the 0.5% damage. There's more than enough customization options that distinguish new players from experienced ones in the items, why in the masteries too...? When you pick a shitty item in game somebody will educate you and you learn, when you pick a shitty mastery you will probably have it indefinitely.
- Summoner masteries, I don't understand the purpose of these. I'm really confused about this, why not just have the upgraded versions by default? Nothing more annoying than going back and having to reset everything for one mastery point switch, I don't see how I as a player am getting more fun out of putting one point in these things or not. It's not even a meaningful choice because the alternative is almost always worthless.

Things I do like:
- Pretty much everything else, the new trees are just more usable than the old ones, there's less garbage and i like having the offense tree be a viable caster option.

I still don't understand the new jungle. I really feel there needs to be more math on this.

I suspect there actually is a paucity of gold in the jungle simply because gp10 is so attractive at the moment - this would point to gold being a giffen good out of the jungle. On the other hand it could simply be a result of less protracted combat coming out of the jungle and the creeps not really being a threat, which is the kind of thing that tends to make laners build gp10... or it could be something else. I don't know.


I have no clue what you're saying about the Utility tree, what do you mean by poor readability?


I'm referring to the concept of opacity, which in the sense I learned it is simply whether the rule set of a game indicates a clear path to optimal play. For example, imagine chess in which it becomes clear very quickly after you've learned the rules that you want to control the center of the board. Now imagine some incredibly complex hobby game in which you have no clear sense until you've played hundreds of games what indicates whether a move is good or bad. There might not even be a general guideline for the quality of a move, you might have to individually calculate each alternative according to a mathematical formula rather than narrowing it down by saying 'this kind of move tends to be good'.

That's a lot of text for what's actually a very small complaint but the gist is, look at a 21 offense hero and tell me exactly how much benefit they are getting and how good the masteries are, and look at a 21 utility hero and it'll be much harder to explain. Sage looks like garbage, but unless I look up the experience tables and see it'll take 15 kills/assists to go halfway from level 10 to 11 I'm basically just guessing that because 40 'looks' like a small number.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-11 03:51:53
January 11 2012 03:47 GMT
#3157
Given the limited info, some thoughts on Jax preview:

-Riot is using the Tryndamere model of softening the best/worse case scenarios
-The cooldown on Jax's stun will be somewhat longer than 4.5 seconds (just call it a hunch)
-This is a nerf to jungle Jax, since his first clear abuses the short cooldown + blue buff for big AoE dps. I doubt the stun will make up for it.
-On-demand stun more useful versus ganks, trades, casters, etc.; Jax will be much harder to kill in lane
-Jax must use both his survivability and CC skills at the same time, assuming there is no new passive on his E
-He will be free to use any boots/runes without worrying about stun availability, probably see much more merc treads, though he can "use" any of them because he's Jax.
-Jax is going to poop all over low-level players and may be subject to Xin Zhao syndrome.

Conceptually, I really like the idea of an active counter-strike, and will probably continue maining Jax regardless of the numbers.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17305 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-11 03:50:46
January 11 2012 03:50 GMT
#3158
It'll probably be like typical Jax: wildly overpowered until they nerf it and then nobody will play him again.

Kit so problematic (free short cd mobility, high burst, high sustained damage).
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 11 2012 04:12 GMT
#3159
On January 11 2012 12:50 Craton wrote:
It'll probably be like typical Jax: wildly overpowered until they nerf it and then nobody will play him again.

Kit so problematic (free short cd mobility, high burst, high sustained damage).

They already nerf him. Duration dodge is a huge nerf over having % dodge over an entire fight.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
dignity
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada908 Posts
January 11 2012 04:13 GMT
#3160
On January 11 2012 12:50 Craton wrote:
It'll probably be like typical Jax: wildly overpowered until they nerf it and then nobody will play him again.

Kit so problematic (free short cd mobility, high burst, high sustained damage).


Not to mention that passive.
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