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On January 11 2012 10:04 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 09:39 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On January 11 2012 09:24 Mufaa wrote:
Are there any jungle champs who can punish an overextended lanes with almost guaranteed results in solo q? I know rammus and Shaco but they're perm bans at my ELO and I usually jungle GP but before ulti his ganks are really lackluster and while I have no problems just jungling if ganks aren't going to accomplish anything, I run into a lot of "omfg noob GP can't gank, gg" which often results in whoever is raging throwing the game. Most of the time it feels like if I had gotten a positive early gank instead of turning a lane into a farmfest the game would be different (based off of the few games I can go Shaco or rammus). I've tried amumu but his seem to require too much team assistance when 9/10 times no lane is organized and I can't rely on them for anything but AA and using abilities if it'll net them the kb. Skarner and Udyr come to mind, especially if they have red buff. Probably Lee Sin or Noc could do it too but might be a bit harder. And if your name is SaintVicious, you can play Annie and Rumble too lol. Jax remake preview is out btw! Jax gonna be a boss jungler. I can't wait to play him remastered.
dodge all incoming attacks
that really made me cringe to think about
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On January 11 2012 09:39 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 09:24 Mufaa wrote:
Are there any jungle champs who can punish an overextended lanes with almost guaranteed results in solo q? I know rammus and Shaco but they're perm bans at my ELO and I usually jungle GP but before ulti his ganks are really lackluster and while I have no problems just jungling if ganks aren't going to accomplish anything, I run into a lot of "omfg noob GP can't gank, gg" which often results in whoever is raging throwing the game. Most of the time it feels like if I had gotten a positive early gank instead of turning a lane into a farmfest the game would be different (based off of the few games I can go Shaco or rammus). I've tried amumu but his seem to require too much team assistance when 9/10 times no lane is organized and I can't rely on them for anything but AA and using abilities if it'll net them the kb. Skarner and Udyr come to mind, especially if they have red buff. Probably Lee Sin or Noc could do it too but might be a bit harder. And if your name is SaintVicious, you can play Annie and Rumble too lol. Jax remake preview is out btw!
@alaric I've done trundle, but he has the same issue as GP. I'm looking for champs who can just punish the shit out of anyone who pushes slightly too far before I have a decent build or my ulti up. Tired of losing games when its fairly even but my genius team decides to do dragon and then 2 people decide to go ward baron and get caught forcing a 3v5 multiple times a game. I figure while im climbing and in 1k-1200 just playing a hyper aggressive jungler will help if I can't go mid or ad bot since if they're fed enough individual skill is less of an issue.
Can't believe I never thought of udyr. Tried him during a free week and didn't like stance dancing after playing wow so much I just never looked at him again.
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Jax remake info!
oh damn, MoonBro beat me to it. Sorry.
Anyone else feels like it's gonna be close to impossible to trade with a decent Jax now, depending on the CD?
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Guys, Guys. I just had the best, like seriously, best Idea ever.
So you guys have a smartphone right, and you love to jungle. But uhh... you can't remember the times.
Here we go.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/a97jB.jpg)
So you just click the Buff you just killed and the timer starts. GG.
Too bad I can't write it. qq
Edit: Guys even better now. With sound like 30 seconds before a buff respawns.
Edit2: Apparently there are really apps like that out there trolol.
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On January 11 2012 10:01 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 09:33 Attakijing wrote:
Do you guys think I could just post a thread on the TL dota 2 forum and ask them what it's like for someone who has played a lot of LoL? I understand a lot of the basics, like the map is bigger, denying, moves are larger in scale do more damage and cost more mana, long lane short lane, carries carry harder, no ap, couriers...
what I want to know is what is actually different about the games, not little details. in LoL the meta is still very strict, and the people that stay in lanes basically ignore the rest of the map, focus intently on last hitting and using their spells to implicitly deny last hits and zone, and then the jungler has a giant responsibility w/r/t macro. each lane is essentially expected to stay aware of the map just so that they don't die, but most people don't do this even at high level play and it is almost impossible to kill someone under their tower without dying until at least level 6-8. (edit: i forgot to mention, after laning phase the game becomes this really boring warding/teamfight baiting game that i can never watch even if my two favorite teams are fighting each other)
From what I can tell about dota, it is a lot harder in general--maybe if you are facing 1 or 2 specific heroes they can just teleport in from off screen and kill you. So in general laning seems a lot more technical and skill/practice-based in dota while in LoL it is much more interesting, whereas the macro is dramatically more interesting than the macro of LoL. This makes dota a way better spectator sport but LoL is more immediate fun.
This came from the post earlier where a guy said that dota is not changing (which i also thought was true) and someone told him that in fact dota is changing faster than LoL. That completely changes my idea of what dota is...i thought LoL was the one where the meta changes every week because of huge buffs/nerfs and new champions like xerath or riven that go beyond what any champion was capable of before them.
If you guys have something to say it would be nice, but i also want to hear from people that like dota/dota 2 more than LoL...i'm just not sure if this would make a good thread or not. it would basically just be a copypaste of this post. i wouldn't say dota is changing faster than LoL. DotA is getting a big change in its recent patch, but Icefrog only makes large content/balance patches every few months or so. Usually, it's just minor tweaks to adjust power levels, but even those are very few and far between. I can't comment on which game has a faster rate of change, but I can say that a lot of LoL's change is forced by Riot's balancing and its 2-week patch cycle, which, imo is fckign stupid.
The size/activity of DotA's competitive scene makes it change much much faster, regardless of actual patch/balance changes. The best example of this is how DotA's meta actually saw some shifting as a result of DotA2 tourneys, despite it having less than half the full champ pool. I'm not nearly as researched on the game as many at the DotA2 subforum, so I won't attempt to get into a lot of detail, but the game sees shifting with no balance changes, just pure adjustment of strategy to try and win games.
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On January 11 2012 10:10 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 10:04 yamato77 wrote:On January 11 2012 09:39 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On January 11 2012 09:24 Mufaa wrote:
Are there any jungle champs who can punish an overextended lanes with almost guaranteed results in solo q? I know rammus and Shaco but they're perm bans at my ELO and I usually jungle GP but before ulti his ganks are really lackluster and while I have no problems just jungling if ganks aren't going to accomplish anything, I run into a lot of "omfg noob GP can't gank, gg" which often results in whoever is raging throwing the game. Most of the time it feels like if I had gotten a positive early gank instead of turning a lane into a farmfest the game would be different (based off of the few games I can go Shaco or rammus). I've tried amumu but his seem to require too much team assistance when 9/10 times no lane is organized and I can't rely on them for anything but AA and using abilities if it'll net them the kb. Skarner and Udyr come to mind, especially if they have red buff. Probably Lee Sin or Noc could do it too but might be a bit harder. And if your name is SaintVicious, you can play Annie and Rumble too lol. Jax remake preview is out btw! Jax gonna be a boss jungler. I can't wait to play him remastered. dodge all incoming attacks that really made me cringe to think about
They didn't say how long it lasts which matters a crapton. At 0.5 seconds it would be worse than Fizz E defensively.
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On January 11 2012 09:33 Attakijing wrote:
This came from the post earlier where a guy said that dota is not changing (which i also thought was true) and someone told him that in fact dota is changing faster than LoL. That completely changes my idea of what dota is...i thought LoL was the one where the meta changes every week because of huge buffs/nerfs and new champions like xerath or riven that go beyond what any champion was capable of before them.
TBH, one of the biggest forces of short-term change in recent times in DotA has been the rapid pace at which the Chinese DotA teams have pushed the game forward. Just as Koreans have made Starcraft extremely dynamic without any outside influence on the game, so have the Chinese done so with DotA.
The game moves so quickly that over the course of a little over a month, the "must-ban" heroes in a competitive game have almost completely rotated TWICE, and are now in a state where there's pretty much no must-ban hero simply because of how many powerful and flexible options are available to a team.
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@ WDC 2011 (early November): Invoker, Shadow Demon, and Batrider are essentially "must-ban" heroes that almost never get through the 1st ban phase. Lycanthrope and Syllabear get some bans but are generally a first-pick. Slardar, Pandaren Brewmaster, and Dragon Knight are virtually unseen.
@ SMM 2011 (December) Lycanthrope, Broodmother, and Syllabear are key bans from Chinese teams. Batrider and Invoker are still bannable, but are very often let through as high-priority picks. Shadow Demon is picked up by non-Chinese teams but virtually ignored by Chinese teams. iG makes big plays with Pandaren Brewmaster, Bounty Hunter, and Chaos Knight--heroes that have otherwise been somewhat uncommon.
@ G-League 2011 (Late December/Beginning January) Pandaren Brewmaster is one of the biggest bans in the pool. Chaos Knight is a strong ban/pick, and Lycanthrope is still banned. Bounty Hunter is rarely banned, but is seen reasonably often. The game has shifted to a much faster tempo, and strength carries that were previously not heavily played like Slardar and Dragon Knight are ban/first-pick material. Late-game oriented carries such as Anti-Mage and Faceless Void are already increasingly uncommon picks. Even the dreaded Syllabear often goes through all 10 bans and 10 picks without getting touched, as with Invoker. Shadow Demon has dropped off the face of the planet.
Icefrog is doing his best to make sweeping changes for the overall design of the game, but honestly most of the small-scale shifts come from the fact that the competitive community in DotA is much more dynamic and open-minded than in LoL, so that even when nothing changes for like 5 months (which is how long it's been since the last time the patch competitive games were played on had a significant change), people are trying new shit.
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On January 11 2012 10:10 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 10:04 yamato77 wrote:On January 11 2012 09:39 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On January 11 2012 09:24 Mufaa wrote:
Are there any jungle champs who can punish an overextended lanes with almost guaranteed results in solo q? I know rammus and Shaco but they're perm bans at my ELO and I usually jungle GP but before ulti his ganks are really lackluster and while I have no problems just jungling if ganks aren't going to accomplish anything, I run into a lot of "omfg noob GP can't gank, gg" which often results in whoever is raging throwing the game. Most of the time it feels like if I had gotten a positive early gank instead of turning a lane into a farmfest the game would be different (based off of the few games I can go Shaco or rammus). I've tried amumu but his seem to require too much team assistance when 9/10 times no lane is organized and I can't rely on them for anything but AA and using abilities if it'll net them the kb. Skarner and Udyr come to mind, especially if they have red buff. Probably Lee Sin or Noc could do it too but might be a bit harder. And if your name is SaintVicious, you can play Annie and Rumble too lol. Jax remake preview is out btw! Jax gonna be a boss jungler. I can't wait to play him remastered. dodge all incoming attacks that really made me cringe to think about
How is this any different than teemo's blind?, If anything it's weaker than teemo's blind.
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LoL changes in the way that there's a new op champ or a new op item (locket, wota) to abuse, but the meta game is fairly stale (pretty similar team comps for ages, same lanes). Dota has big changes to a brand new meta game, then the game goes stable then it changes again, which is much better imo.
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On January 11 2012 10:27 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 10:10 arb wrote:On January 11 2012 10:04 yamato77 wrote:On January 11 2012 09:39 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On January 11 2012 09:24 Mufaa wrote:
Are there any jungle champs who can punish an overextended lanes with almost guaranteed results in solo q? I know rammus and Shaco but they're perm bans at my ELO and I usually jungle GP but before ulti his ganks are really lackluster and while I have no problems just jungling if ganks aren't going to accomplish anything, I run into a lot of "omfg noob GP can't gank, gg" which often results in whoever is raging throwing the game. Most of the time it feels like if I had gotten a positive early gank instead of turning a lane into a farmfest the game would be different (based off of the few games I can go Shaco or rammus). I've tried amumu but his seem to require too much team assistance when 9/10 times no lane is organized and I can't rely on them for anything but AA and using abilities if it'll net them the kb. Skarner and Udyr come to mind, especially if they have red buff. Probably Lee Sin or Noc could do it too but might be a bit harder. And if your name is SaintVicious, you can play Annie and Rumble too lol. Jax remake preview is out btw! Jax gonna be a boss jungler. I can't wait to play him remastered. dodge all incoming attacks that really made me cringe to think about How is this any different than teemo's blind?, If anything it's weaker than teemo's blind.
It keeps you in place once it ends, and unlike Teemo, Jax actually hurts a lot.
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On January 11 2012 10:10 Chairman Ray wrote:
Lovin the new Lee Sin skin, looks total baws
???
It's one of the ugliest skins they've ever made.
On January 11 2012 10:21 Keniji wrote:
Edit2: Apparently there are really apps like that out there trolol.
Half a dozen, plus desktop versions.
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On January 11 2012 10:30 Shiv. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 10:27 wei2coolman wrote:On January 11 2012 10:10 arb wrote:On January 11 2012 10:04 yamato77 wrote:On January 11 2012 09:39 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On January 11 2012 09:24 Mufaa wrote:
Are there any jungle champs who can punish an overextended lanes with almost guaranteed results in solo q? I know rammus and Shaco but they're perm bans at my ELO and I usually jungle GP but before ulti his ganks are really lackluster and while I have no problems just jungling if ganks aren't going to accomplish anything, I run into a lot of "omfg noob GP can't gank, gg" which often results in whoever is raging throwing the game. Most of the time it feels like if I had gotten a positive early gank instead of turning a lane into a farmfest the game would be different (based off of the few games I can go Shaco or rammus). I've tried amumu but his seem to require too much team assistance when 9/10 times no lane is organized and I can't rely on them for anything but AA and using abilities if it'll net them the kb. Skarner and Udyr come to mind, especially if they have red buff. Probably Lee Sin or Noc could do it too but might be a bit harder. And if your name is SaintVicious, you can play Annie and Rumble too lol. Jax remake preview is out btw! Jax gonna be a boss jungler. I can't wait to play him remastered. dodge all incoming attacks that really made me cringe to think about How is this any different than teemo's blind?, If anything it's weaker than teemo's blind. It keeps you in place once it ends, and unlike Teemo, Jax actually hurts a lot.
Well arb mentioned only the "dodge all incoming attacks", which is the part it looked that he was concerned about.
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New sona looks good, probably the only one of this set I'll pick up
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On January 11 2012 10:27 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 10:10 arb wrote:On January 11 2012 10:04 yamato77 wrote:On January 11 2012 09:39 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On January 11 2012 09:24 Mufaa wrote:
Are there any jungle champs who can punish an overextended lanes with almost guaranteed results in solo q? I know rammus and Shaco but they're perm bans at my ELO and I usually jungle GP but before ulti his ganks are really lackluster and while I have no problems just jungling if ganks aren't going to accomplish anything, I run into a lot of "omfg noob GP can't gank, gg" which often results in whoever is raging throwing the game. Most of the time it feels like if I had gotten a positive early gank instead of turning a lane into a farmfest the game would be different (based off of the few games I can go Shaco or rammus). I've tried amumu but his seem to require too much team assistance when 9/10 times no lane is organized and I can't rely on them for anything but AA and using abilities if it'll net them the kb. Skarner and Udyr come to mind, especially if they have red buff. Probably Lee Sin or Noc could do it too but might be a bit harder. And if your name is SaintVicious, you can play Annie and Rumble too lol. Jax remake preview is out btw! Jax gonna be a boss jungler. I can't wait to play him remastered. dodge all incoming attacks that really made me cringe to think about How is this any different than teemo's blind?, If anything it's weaker than teemo's blind.
Blind effects a single champion, Jax will dodge attacks from ALL enemy champions.
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On January 11 2012 10:31 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 10:10 Chairman Ray wrote:
Lovin the new Lee Sin skin, looks total baws ??? It's one of the ugliest skins they've ever made. Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 10:21 Keniji wrote:
Edit2: Apparently there are really apps like that out there trolol. Half a dozen, plus desktop versions.
new lee skin is dope dont be hatin'. looks fresh in game
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On January 11 2012 10:32 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 10:30 Shiv. wrote:On January 11 2012 10:27 wei2coolman wrote:On January 11 2012 10:10 arb wrote:On January 11 2012 10:04 yamato77 wrote:On January 11 2012 09:39 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On January 11 2012 09:24 Mufaa wrote:
Are there any jungle champs who can punish an overextended lanes with almost guaranteed results in solo q? I know rammus and Shaco but they're perm bans at my ELO and I usually jungle GP but before ulti his ganks are really lackluster and while I have no problems just jungling if ganks aren't going to accomplish anything, I run into a lot of "omfg noob GP can't gank, gg" which often results in whoever is raging throwing the game. Most of the time it feels like if I had gotten a positive early gank instead of turning a lane into a farmfest the game would be different (based off of the few games I can go Shaco or rammus). I've tried amumu but his seem to require too much team assistance when 9/10 times no lane is organized and I can't rely on them for anything but AA and using abilities if it'll net them the kb. Skarner and Udyr come to mind, especially if they have red buff. Probably Lee Sin or Noc could do it too but might be a bit harder. And if your name is SaintVicious, you can play Annie and Rumble too lol. Jax remake preview is out btw! Jax gonna be a boss jungler. I can't wait to play him remastered. dodge all incoming attacks that really made me cringe to think about How is this any different than teemo's blind?, If anything it's weaker than teemo's blind. It keeps you in place once it ends, and unlike Teemo, Jax actually hurts a lot. Well arb mentioned only the "dodge all incoming attacks", which is the part it looked that he was concerned about.
well i guess like someone said earlier, it'll depend on how long it lasts
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On January 11 2012 10:36 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 10:32 wei2coolman wrote:On January 11 2012 10:30 Shiv. wrote:On January 11 2012 10:27 wei2coolman wrote:On January 11 2012 10:10 arb wrote:On January 11 2012 10:04 yamato77 wrote:On January 11 2012 09:39 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On January 11 2012 09:24 Mufaa wrote:
Are there any jungle champs who can punish an overextended lanes with almost guaranteed results in solo q? I know rammus and Shaco but they're perm bans at my ELO and I usually jungle GP but before ulti his ganks are really lackluster and while I have no problems just jungling if ganks aren't going to accomplish anything, I run into a lot of "omfg noob GP can't gank, gg" which often results in whoever is raging throwing the game. Most of the time it feels like if I had gotten a positive early gank instead of turning a lane into a farmfest the game would be different (based off of the few games I can go Shaco or rammus). I've tried amumu but his seem to require too much team assistance when 9/10 times no lane is organized and I can't rely on them for anything but AA and using abilities if it'll net them the kb. Skarner and Udyr come to mind, especially if they have red buff. Probably Lee Sin or Noc could do it too but might be a bit harder. And if your name is SaintVicious, you can play Annie and Rumble too lol. Jax remake preview is out btw! Jax gonna be a boss jungler. I can't wait to play him remastered. dodge all incoming attacks that really made me cringe to think about How is this any different than teemo's blind?, If anything it's weaker than teemo's blind. It keeps you in place once it ends, and unlike Teemo, Jax actually hurts a lot. Well arb mentioned only the "dodge all incoming attacks", which is the part it looked that he was concerned about. well i guess like someone said earlier, it'll depend on how long it lasts
long enough to kill vayne before she can get 3 shots off?
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On January 11 2012 10:36 Alzadar wrote:
Blind effects a single champion, Jax will dodge attacks from ALL enemy champions.
Because dodging Vayne's, Annie's, and Janna's autoattacks is really that different from dodging just Vayne's.
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On January 11 2012 10:36 Alzadar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 10:27 wei2coolman wrote:On January 11 2012 10:10 arb wrote:On January 11 2012 10:04 yamato77 wrote:On January 11 2012 09:39 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On January 11 2012 09:24 Mufaa wrote:
Are there any jungle champs who can punish an overextended lanes with almost guaranteed results in solo q? I know rammus and Shaco but they're perm bans at my ELO and I usually jungle GP but before ulti his ganks are really lackluster and while I have no problems just jungling if ganks aren't going to accomplish anything, I run into a lot of "omfg noob GP can't gank, gg" which often results in whoever is raging throwing the game. Most of the time it feels like if I had gotten a positive early gank instead of turning a lane into a farmfest the game would be different (based off of the few games I can go Shaco or rammus). I've tried amumu but his seem to require too much team assistance when 9/10 times no lane is organized and I can't rely on them for anything but AA and using abilities if it'll net them the kb. Skarner and Udyr come to mind, especially if they have red buff. Probably Lee Sin or Noc could do it too but might be a bit harder. And if your name is SaintVicious, you can play Annie and Rumble too lol. Jax remake preview is out btw! Jax gonna be a boss jungler. I can't wait to play him remastered. dodge all incoming attacks that really made me cringe to think about How is this any different than teemo's blind?, If anything it's weaker than teemo's blind. Blind effects a single champion, Jax will dodge attacks from ALL enemy champions.
And Tryndamere ignores all damage sources from all enemy champions
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On January 11 2012 10:32 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 10:30 Shiv. wrote:On January 11 2012 10:27 wei2coolman wrote:On January 11 2012 10:10 arb wrote:On January 11 2012 10:04 yamato77 wrote:On January 11 2012 09:39 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On January 11 2012 09:24 Mufaa wrote:
Are there any jungle champs who can punish an overextended lanes with almost guaranteed results in solo q? I know rammus and Shaco but they're perm bans at my ELO and I usually jungle GP but before ulti his ganks are really lackluster and while I have no problems just jungling if ganks aren't going to accomplish anything, I run into a lot of "omfg noob GP can't gank, gg" which often results in whoever is raging throwing the game. Most of the time it feels like if I had gotten a positive early gank instead of turning a lane into a farmfest the game would be different (based off of the few games I can go Shaco or rammus). I've tried amumu but his seem to require too much team assistance when 9/10 times no lane is organized and I can't rely on them for anything but AA and using abilities if it'll net them the kb. Skarner and Udyr come to mind, especially if they have red buff. Probably Lee Sin or Noc could do it too but might be a bit harder. And if your name is SaintVicious, you can play Annie and Rumble too lol. Jax remake preview is out btw! Jax gonna be a boss jungler. I can't wait to play him remastered. dodge all incoming attacks that really made me cringe to think about How is this any different than teemo's blind?, If anything it's weaker than teemo's blind. It keeps you in place once it ends, and unlike Teemo, Jax actually hurts a lot. Well arb mentioned only the "dodge all incoming attacks", which is the part it looked that he was concerned about.
Yeah, if you only want to take damage reduction into account, it will probably be similar, depending on numbers.
Also: we're bumping heads a lot today :D I'm not trying to pick on you, sorry if I came across that way.
On January 11 2012 10:40 GeneralStan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 10:36 Alzadar wrote:On January 11 2012 10:27 wei2coolman wrote:On January 11 2012 10:10 arb wrote:On January 11 2012 10:04 yamato77 wrote:On January 11 2012 09:39 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On January 11 2012 09:24 Mufaa wrote:
Are there any jungle champs who can punish an overextended lanes with almost guaranteed results in solo q? I know rammus and Shaco but they're perm bans at my ELO and I usually jungle GP but before ulti his ganks are really lackluster and while I have no problems just jungling if ganks aren't going to accomplish anything, I run into a lot of "omfg noob GP can't gank, gg" which often results in whoever is raging throwing the game. Most of the time it feels like if I had gotten a positive early gank instead of turning a lane into a farmfest the game would be different (based off of the few games I can go Shaco or rammus). I've tried amumu but his seem to require too much team assistance when 9/10 times no lane is organized and I can't rely on them for anything but AA and using abilities if it'll net them the kb. Skarner and Udyr come to mind, especially if they have red buff. Probably Lee Sin or Noc could do it too but might be a bit harder. And if your name is SaintVicious, you can play Annie and Rumble too lol. Jax remake preview is out btw! Jax gonna be a boss jungler. I can't wait to play him remastered. dodge all incoming attacks that really made me cringe to think about How is this any different than teemo's blind?, If anything it's weaker than teemo's blind. Blind effects a single champion, Jax will dodge attacks from ALL enemy champions. And Tryndamere ignores all damage sources from all enemy champions
on a 2 minute cooldown. Dude. C'mon.
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