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Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
December 13 2011 08:39 GMT
#141
On December 13 2011 17:34 JackDino wrote:
Kass going to sidelanes to gank vs an ad=lol, Oh kassa went to gank? byebye 2 turrets.


So I hear theres a 5th player on your team called a Jungler that can hold turret while hes gone.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
December 13 2011 08:40 GMT
#142
Riot actually REVERTED A CHANGE?

Is that the first time that has ever happened? O_O
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 13 2011 08:42 GMT
#143
On December 13 2011 17:36 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 17:35 gtrsrs wrote:
On December 13 2011 16:38 NeoIllusions wrote:
Stop trolling the threads. I've warned TheBJ for the inane idea that Kass counters AD champions during laning phase.

It would be easier if someone just reported the guy for blatant incorrectness rather than being dicks.


?
so now we're allowed to report someone just for being wrong?
Two_down's entire posting history, here i come

We should be allowed to report people for being bad, hint hint.
.


you talk a lot of shit
i don't find your name in the TL summoner list though
so
okay
carry on then
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
rob.au
Profile Joined May 2010
1087 Posts
December 13 2011 08:49 GMT
#144
Kass was banned in WCG finals...although it's not like the top AP players were even at the tournament.

I mean if you're talking about pub's there is really no argument on whether or not Kass should get nerfed under the way Riot has consistently balanced the game. Any hero that's picked or banned in solo queue for months on end gets put in the dumpster by Riot. It's also against their design principles to have the game take too much strategy because that's too hard for new players to learn.

In tournament play you generally pick your solos last, so if you dont ban Kassadin then you have to make every single pick taking Kass into consideration. Throwing an AD mid isn't a hard counter at all because not only can Kass set themselves up with super regen runes/items they can also be babysat by the jungler. As an AD you can zone Kass assuming nothing else is happening, but if you're zoning when a rammus/maokai comes you get destroyed and lose the lane. The only bruiser that can really stop kass from farming is GP, but theres no guarantee that you're going to have him on team, and whatever you move top to replace him is going to be in a more dangerous lane against a bruiser who can abuse brush (ie they probably get raped just as badly). Is Kassadin unstoppable? no. Is it as simple as swapping your ad mid? no.

@blackpaladin if an AD rushes QSS first item then you already shut them down and can just let someone else kill them. They will be a low priority target since they do low damage with no cc.

Kass is super fun and I wish every hero was like them but it's just a fact that riot balances the game this way, people just care more because everyone plays kass compared to an unnecessary nerf on someone like fizz that no one cares about.
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
December 13 2011 08:51 GMT
#145
Thread needs more love and lighthearted topic's. This Kassadin worth discussion is swiftly turning more volatile then a discussion on Kpop.

How about that Christmas Tree Maoka. Sadly I was secretly hoping for some sort of Robot Santa Rumble(his ult is falling giftbox's!)
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BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 09:04:07
December 13 2011 09:01 GMT
#146
Wtf where did i say RUSH qss???? Holy shit it's like people don't read AND can't play vs assassin type champs. Anyway 4 am, off to bed. D nasty stx girl, come join me <3

Edit: that sounds like an awesome rumble skin idea. My dad's already playing christmas music nonstop while we clean the house so it fits if i play LoL D:
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
December 13 2011 09:01 GMT
#147
I still like that they spent nearly a whole minute (54 seconds to be precise) on the TF changes in the patch preview. That was one quarter of the previous to discuss one bugfix that really didn't need to be explained and a minuscule range increase.

Meanwhile Lux gets some big buffs, 0 seconds spent talking about that. XD
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
December 13 2011 09:02 GMT
#148
On December 13 2011 17:49 rob.au wrote:
Kass was banned in WCG finals...although it's not like the top AP players were even at the tournament.

I mean if you're talking about pub's there is really no argument on whether or not Kass should get nerfed under the way Riot has consistently balanced the game. Any hero that's picked or banned in solo queue for months on end gets put in the dumpster by Riot. It's also against their design principles to have the game take too much strategy because that's too hard for new players to learn.

In tournament play you generally pick your solos last, so if you dont ban Kassadin then you have to make every single pick taking Kass into consideration. Throwing an AD mid isn't a hard counter at all because not only can Kass set themselves up with super regen runes/items they can also be babysat by the jungler. As an AD you can zone Kass assuming nothing else is happening, but if you're zoning when a rammus/maokai comes you get destroyed and lose the lane. The only bruiser that can really stop kass from farming is GP, but theres no guarantee that you're going to have him on team, and whatever you move top to replace him is going to be in a more dangerous lane against a bruiser who can abuse brush (ie they probably get raped just as badly). Is Kassadin unstoppable? no. Is it as simple as swapping your ad mid? no.

@blackpaladin if an AD rushes QSS first item then you already shut them down and can just let someone else kill them. They will be a low priority target since they do low damage with no cc.

Kass is super fun and I wish every hero was like them but it's just a fact that riot balances the game this way, people just care more because everyone plays kass compared to an unnecessary nerf on someone like fizz that no one cares about.


i agree a lot with the diagnosis of how you can adapt to ad lanes etc. Armor quints and seals are ridiculous amounts of mitigation combined, and with a cloth5pot or regen opening it is possible to farm somewhat. this leads into a bigger discussion on the strength of defensive quints imo, i feel that they're underused for how powerful they are. especially on someone like kassadin who scales off of many stats (mana, ap, etc.) and functions uniquely due to his mobility after getting a baseline (catalyst and or tear etc) of farm, being able to push your way through the rockiest phase of the game if you're expecting to go against a GP or an AD mid by running defensive quints seems natural to me. likewise against earlygame bullies like pantheon and garen i think running armor quints makes those lanes far more handleable than they would be otherwise toplane.

the thing is mobility can translate directly into damage mitigated because you can dodge skillshots and aoe's, so someone with absurd mobility like kassadin is very hard to balance. tbh i would prefer it if they gave kassadin back his 700 range q and nerfed the ultimate instead, as it would make his earlygame possible for him as well as hitting his lategame somewhat.
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JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
December 13 2011 09:03 GMT
#149
On December 13 2011 17:39 Cloud9157 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 17:34 JackDino wrote:
Kass going to sidelanes to gank vs an ad=lol, Oh kassa went to gank? byebye 2 turrets.


So I hear theres a 5th player on your team called a Jungler that can hold turret while hes gone.

Yo I hear there's a 5th player on your team called a Jungler who can countergank a weak kass.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
ControlMonkey
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia3109 Posts
December 13 2011 09:03 GMT
#150
So I just saw the GP champ spotlight.

OMG 4% crit chance OP!
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
December 13 2011 09:04 GMT
#151
I'm almost convinced Phreak lurks TL at this point. Have you checked out the new champion spotlight?
Here it is.

Personal highlights:
''I take Parrrley at level one and max it last.''
''my 4% crit chance from masteries triggers two crits, making it an easy kill
''My build is pretty horrible and I don't care huehuehue'' That one is not actually in the spotlight, I just felt the urge to include that.
currently rooting for myself.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
December 13 2011 09:09 GMT
#152
On December 13 2011 18:01 Seuss wrote:
I still like that they spent nearly a whole minute (54 seconds to be precise) on the TF changes in the patch preview. That was one quarter of the previous to discuss one bugfix that really didn't need to be explained and a minuscule range increase.

Meanwhile Lux gets some big buffs, 0 seconds spent talking about that. XD


I said the increase would make TF too strong. But seeing it's pretty small and they aren't making his range longer than his AA on PAC (which I was lead to believe from the preview) I don't think he'll become more viable. Although, I wouldn't be surprised if TF becomes fotm. There's this fun trend of champion being widely played, then no one plays them after a nerf, then everyone plays them again after a small buff. And, ironically, one of those champions would be Kassadin.

These were the two buffs to Kass that made him go from never played in solo que or very much pro play ('cept for xPeke I think) to "omg we must ban/first pick him or we lose!"
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V1.0.0.125:

Void Stone: magic damage reduction increased to 15% from 10%.
Null Sphere: missile speed increased to 1400 from 1150.
Nether Blade: base magic damage on-hit increased to 30/45/60/75/90 from 20/30/40/50/60.

V1.0.0.120:

Nether Blade:
Passive base mana restore per attack increased to 8/11/14/17/20 from 4/8/12/16/20.
Active changed to dealing 20/30/40/50/60 (+0.15 ability power) bonus magic damage dealt on hit for the duration instead of receiving 7/15/25/38/50 armor penetration for the duration.


No matter what nerfs Riot gives him Kassadin will simply stop being popular eventually. He always would shit on APs in lane. He always could gank strong. He has always been a strong anti-carry. Most of the buffs that made people play him more apply to a skill that no one ever even levels.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 09:16:34
December 13 2011 09:12 GMT
#153
always took a point in W @ 2, helps you with mana if you can get some hits off, and if you can't, it lets you cs everything under turret(this is because of said buff).
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
December 13 2011 09:17 GMT
#154
On December 13 2011 18:01 BlackPaladin wrote:
Wtf where did i say RUSH qss???? Holy shit it's like people don't read AND can't play vs assassin type champs. Anyway 4 am, off to bed. D nasty stx girl, come join me <3

Edit: that sounds like an awesome rumble skin idea. My dad's already playing christmas music nonstop while we clean the house so it fits if i play LoL D:


wtf I thought you got kicked out or some shit. PM me qt <3


Poll: Foxgirl will be...

kassadin's q should shoot kittens (8)
 
42%

super sexy like smashgizbro (6)
 
32%

super cute like jailbait unibro (3)
 
16%

super awesome like dnastyx (1)
 
5%

super lame like bp (1)
 
5%

19 total votes

Your vote: Foxgirl will be...

(Vote): super awesome like dnastyx
(Vote): super lame like bp
(Vote): super sexy like smashgizbro
(Vote): super cute like jailbait unibro
(Vote): kassadin's q should shoot kittens


Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 09:20:25
December 13 2011 09:19 GMT
#155
I don't like any of these options. Except the kittens thing. Q kitten cannon sounds like a pretty nifty ability. Kinda like that one final fantasy with the dogbow.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
December 13 2011 09:27 GMT
#156
imo any time someone claims to be X elo they should show proof. it's super annoying when a lurker/semi-lurker comes in to drop dem knowledge bombs but no one knows whether they have the credentials they say they do. Also, when arguments go on and both sides are super stubborn it should be settled via 1v1 grudge match imoimo
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
December 13 2011 09:32 GMT
#157
On December 13 2011 18:27 Ryuu314 wrote:
imo any time someone claims to be X elo they should show proof. it's super annoying when a lurker/semi-lurker comes in to drop dem knowledge bombs but no one knows whether they have the credentials they say they do. Also, when arguments go on and both sides are super stubborn it should be settled via 1v1 grudge match imoimo

Should be able to select a champion to play for you, you know like brees.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 09:35:20
December 13 2011 09:34 GMT
#158
chaox's eu loner account is 1000 elo, I've never seen 1000 elo before. Honestly it's hilarious, makes me wish I'd watched saints 0 elo games. Just like... amazing suicide flashes, janna and ashe ganking mid at level 1 instead of going bot and then bluepilling right in front of morgana, just the most mindblowing shit, it's so entertaining.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
LoCicero
Profile Joined August 2010
1100 Posts
December 13 2011 09:35 GMT
#159
Lux and Veigar buffs? Maybe I play dis gaym.
Tyrran
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
France777 Posts
December 13 2011 09:46 GMT
#160
On December 13 2011 18:35 LoCicero wrote:
Lux and Veigar buffs? Maybe I play dis gaym.


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