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KinosJourney2
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden1811 Posts
December 13 2011 10:43 GMT
#181
Only good part about this patch is the Veigar buff, god damn what a bad patch :/

I was expecting some good TF buffs, but this is really minor. Also they nerfed Sivir, i didn't know she was OP? Lol.
ocho wrote: EDIT: NEVERMIND, THIS THING HAS APM TECHNOLOGY OMG
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
December 13 2011 10:44 GMT
#182
On December 13 2011 19:39 JackDino wrote:
Tabis without dodge are utter trash for mitigation. yay 25armour just buy another cloth armour and get mercs instead, much better.

I think its 35 actually but ur still right.

Anyways since we don't have a wukong thread can someone give me a general idea of how to build wukong? I tried him out and he is pretty fun.
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 10:51:30
December 13 2011 10:44 GMT
#183
server's up

ahri not available yet (oh, forgot about the simultaneously released 12/14 stuff)
her price is 6300 tho if you check the champ profile in client.

some numbers

Soul Eater
Ahri gains a charge of Soul Eater whenever one of her spells hits an enemy (max: 3 charges per spell). Upon reaching 9 charges, Ahri's next spell has 35% Spell Vamp.

Orb of Deception
60/65/70/75/80 mana

Fox Fire
60/60/60/60/60 mana

Charm
50/65/80/95/110 mana

Spirit Rush
100/100/100 mana
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FR4CT4L
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia697 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 10:55:13
December 13 2011 10:50 GMT
#184
New quints =
2% lifesteal
2% spellvamp
1.5% increased health
2.0 armorpen + 1.13 mpen

New Red

1apen + 0.57 mpen

New Yellows
0.5% health
0.25 gp10
Veni, vidi, vici!
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 10:54:56
December 13 2011 10:52 GMT
#185
On December 13 2011 19:44 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 19:39 JackDino wrote:
Tabis without dodge are utter trash for mitigation. yay 25armour just buy another cloth armour and get mercs instead, much better.

I think its 35 actually but ur still right.

Anyways since we don't have a wukong thread can someone give me a general idea of how to build wukong? I tried him out and he is pretty fun.

I like to build him kinda glass cannon since his passive gives him hella tankyness in fights anyways. I go cloth5 or boots3. Then grab wriggles/phage/bruta. Then I build towards Triforce or BT; Triforce more standard/safe, BT more snowbally but makes you hit so hard. Then I grab GA for survivability. Grab LW/BT as needed. R>E>Q>W. 1 in every by 3 or 4.

A lot of people go Atmogs or Fratmas. It works pretty well cause your base damages are pretty high, but I personally just like playing more glass cannon-y. Atmas builds are probably safer tho.

Ahri's passive seems really lackluster. I mean basically you have to hit each spell 3 times before you can get 35% spellvamp on the next spell? Seems kinda dumb. Especially since her abilities all seem to be AoE so you're actually using reduced spellvamp.
Lifesteal quints seem op. 2% each so 3 lifesteal quints means free 6% lifesteal. That's 2 dblades worth of lifesteal+masteries and you're starting the game with almost 10% lifesteal lololol
Bwaaaa
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia969 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 10:55:11
December 13 2011 10:53 GMT
#186
will the hybrid pen runes be viable on Ez as his ult, w and e deal magic damage?

Edit: are the new runes only quints or are there new reds, blues and yellows?
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 10:59:43
December 13 2011 10:54 GMT
#187
Those costs look ridiculously low on Ahri. Or are they just below average and I'm too used to costly champs like Swain/Maokai?

Also, 55% spellvamp Morg trololo. Which is 80% with wota, or is it multiplicative?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
December 13 2011 10:58 GMT
#188
On December 13 2011 19:54 Alaric wrote:
Those costs look ridiculously low on Ahri. Or are they just below average and I'm too used to costly champs like Swain/Maokai?

Well depends on what her starting mana pool is no?
Cackle™
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 11:03:31
December 13 2011 10:58 GMT
#189
On December 13 2011 19:39 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 19:34 spinesheath wrote:
On December 13 2011 19:20 Shiv. wrote:
On December 13 2011 19:15 Koenig99 wrote:
New Ninja Tabis looking real amazing right now.

Care to elaborate? I'm pretty unimpressed with them at this point. What makes them great, I just don't see it, and I'd really love to like them.

Ignoring unit collision is pretty big for melee characters. It's actually quite a big deal in lane, and helps a bit in teamfights as well. Ranged champs get less benefit out of it, but just think about how many times you barely couldn't finish someone off because there were minions blocking your way.

But since most of the time you're choosing between treads and tabi on melees, would you give up tenacity on treads especially considering that the damage mitigation provided my tabi is significantly less after the dodge removal?

You obviously will only get Tabi over Mercs if you want to ignore unit collision and don't have to worry about CC for one reason or another.

Ignoring unit collision can be HUGE. Can't really tell you anything else.

On December 13 2011 19:50 FR4CT4L wrote:
New quints =
2% lifesteal
2% spellvamp
1.5% increased health
2.0 armorpen + 1.13 mpen

New Red

1apen + 0.57 mpen

New Yellows
0.5% health
0.25 gp10

All quints 2050, g/10 410, rest 820.
Way to go, Riot!
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
December 13 2011 11:12 GMT
#190
On December 13 2011 19:50 FR4CT4L wrote:

New Yellows
0.5% health


So...at 3k health it's still worse than HP/level yellows, and is a lot worse than HP/level yellows throughout most of the game until you hit like 4k hp?

Seems pretty useless o.O
TranslatorBaa!
Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
December 13 2011 11:19 GMT
#191
On December 13 2011 19:58 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 19:39 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
On December 13 2011 19:34 spinesheath wrote:
On December 13 2011 19:20 Shiv. wrote:
On December 13 2011 19:15 Koenig99 wrote:
New Ninja Tabis looking real amazing right now.

Care to elaborate? I'm pretty unimpressed with them at this point. What makes them great, I just don't see it, and I'd really love to like them.

Ignoring unit collision is pretty big for melee characters. It's actually quite a big deal in lane, and helps a bit in teamfights as well. Ranged champs get less benefit out of it, but just think about how many times you barely couldn't finish someone off because there were minions blocking your way.

But since most of the time you're choosing between treads and tabi on melees, would you give up tenacity on treads especially considering that the damage mitigation provided my tabi is significantly less after the dodge removal?

You obviously will only get Tabi over Mercs if you want to ignore unit collision and don't have to worry about CC for one reason or another.

Ignoring unit collision can be HUGE. Can't really tell you anything else.

Wait, new Ninja Tabi let you ignore collision? GG Anivia. You are retired for now, sorry girl.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
December 13 2011 11:21 GMT
#192
Unit collision. Though the wall is considered to be litterally made of minions I believe?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
December 13 2011 11:22 GMT
#193
On December 13 2011 20:21 Alaric wrote:
Unit collision. Though the wall is considered to be litterally made of minions I believe?

Yeah. Fizz can walk straight through it, the stupid fish. Birds should beat fish. Oh well.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
December 13 2011 11:23 GMT
#194
On December 13 2011 20:19 Treadmill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 19:58 spinesheath wrote:
On December 13 2011 19:39 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
On December 13 2011 19:34 spinesheath wrote:
On December 13 2011 19:20 Shiv. wrote:
On December 13 2011 19:15 Koenig99 wrote:
New Ninja Tabis looking real amazing right now.

Care to elaborate? I'm pretty unimpressed with them at this point. What makes them great, I just don't see it, and I'd really love to like them.

Ignoring unit collision is pretty big for melee characters. It's actually quite a big deal in lane, and helps a bit in teamfights as well. Ranged champs get less benefit out of it, but just think about how many times you barely couldn't finish someone off because there were minions blocking your way.

But since most of the time you're choosing between treads and tabi on melees, would you give up tenacity on treads especially considering that the damage mitigation provided my tabi is significantly less after the dodge removal?

You obviously will only get Tabi over Mercs if you want to ignore unit collision and don't have to worry about CC for one reason or another.

Ignoring unit collision can be HUGE. Can't really tell you anything else.

Wait, new Ninja Tabi let you ignore collision? GG Anivia. You are retired for now, sorry girl.

Really? like seriously? 1. Ghost has been in the game forever, this means wall should've been useless.
2. Have you actually ever seen someone ghost trough a wall? they don't.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
December 13 2011 11:25 GMT
#195
On December 13 2011 20:23 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 20:19 Treadmill wrote:
On December 13 2011 19:58 spinesheath wrote:
On December 13 2011 19:39 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
On December 13 2011 19:34 spinesheath wrote:
On December 13 2011 19:20 Shiv. wrote:
On December 13 2011 19:15 Koenig99 wrote:
New Ninja Tabis looking real amazing right now.

Care to elaborate? I'm pretty unimpressed with them at this point. What makes them great, I just don't see it, and I'd really love to like them.

Ignoring unit collision is pretty big for melee characters. It's actually quite a big deal in lane, and helps a bit in teamfights as well. Ranged champs get less benefit out of it, but just think about how many times you barely couldn't finish someone off because there were minions blocking your way.

But since most of the time you're choosing between treads and tabi on melees, would you give up tenacity on treads especially considering that the damage mitigation provided my tabi is significantly less after the dodge removal?

You obviously will only get Tabi over Mercs if you want to ignore unit collision and don't have to worry about CC for one reason or another.

Ignoring unit collision can be HUGE. Can't really tell you anything else.

Wait, new Ninja Tabi let you ignore collision? GG Anivia. You are retired for now, sorry girl.

Really? like seriously? 1. Ghost has been in the game forever, this means wall should've been useless.
2. Have you actually ever seen someone ghost trough a wall? they don't.

Theres a red poster here acknowledging the issue. Fizz can walk straight through Anivia's wall. Its possible that theres specific timing involved or something (ie it only works right when the wall first goes up).
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
December 13 2011 11:27 GMT
#196
On December 13 2011 20:25 Treadmill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 20:23 JackDino wrote:
On December 13 2011 20:19 Treadmill wrote:
On December 13 2011 19:58 spinesheath wrote:
On December 13 2011 19:39 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
On December 13 2011 19:34 spinesheath wrote:
On December 13 2011 19:20 Shiv. wrote:
On December 13 2011 19:15 Koenig99 wrote:
New Ninja Tabis looking real amazing right now.

Care to elaborate? I'm pretty unimpressed with them at this point. What makes them great, I just don't see it, and I'd really love to like them.

Ignoring unit collision is pretty big for melee characters. It's actually quite a big deal in lane, and helps a bit in teamfights as well. Ranged champs get less benefit out of it, but just think about how many times you barely couldn't finish someone off because there were minions blocking your way.

But since most of the time you're choosing between treads and tabi on melees, would you give up tenacity on treads especially considering that the damage mitigation provided my tabi is significantly less after the dodge removal?

You obviously will only get Tabi over Mercs if you want to ignore unit collision and don't have to worry about CC for one reason or another.

Ignoring unit collision can be HUGE. Can't really tell you anything else.

Wait, new Ninja Tabi let you ignore collision? GG Anivia. You are retired for now, sorry girl.

Really? like seriously? 1. Ghost has been in the game forever, this means wall should've been useless.
2. Have you actually ever seen someone ghost trough a wall? they don't.

Theres a red poster here acknowledging the issue. Fizz can walk straight through Anivia's wall. Its possible that theres specific timing involved or something (ie it only works right when the wall first goes up).

That's a bug with fizz' passive, not with ignoring unit collision as ghost lets you ignore unit collision and I've never been able to ghost trough wall, pillar or cata.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 11:28:30
December 13 2011 11:28 GMT
#197
funny thing about avarice yellows is that the quints are only 515 and yellows are 410 :l
BW -> League -> CSGO
Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
December 13 2011 11:29 GMT
#198
On December 13 2011 20:27 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 20:25 Treadmill wrote:
On December 13 2011 20:23 JackDino wrote:
On December 13 2011 20:19 Treadmill wrote:
On December 13 2011 19:58 spinesheath wrote:
On December 13 2011 19:39 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
On December 13 2011 19:34 spinesheath wrote:
On December 13 2011 19:20 Shiv. wrote:
On December 13 2011 19:15 Koenig99 wrote:
New Ninja Tabis looking real amazing right now.

Care to elaborate? I'm pretty unimpressed with them at this point. What makes them great, I just don't see it, and I'd really love to like them.

Ignoring unit collision is pretty big for melee characters. It's actually quite a big deal in lane, and helps a bit in teamfights as well. Ranged champs get less benefit out of it, but just think about how many times you barely couldn't finish someone off because there were minions blocking your way.

But since most of the time you're choosing between treads and tabi on melees, would you give up tenacity on treads especially considering that the damage mitigation provided my tabi is significantly less after the dodge removal?

You obviously will only get Tabi over Mercs if you want to ignore unit collision and don't have to worry about CC for one reason or another.

Ignoring unit collision can be HUGE. Can't really tell you anything else.

Wait, new Ninja Tabi let you ignore collision? GG Anivia. You are retired for now, sorry girl.

Really? like seriously? 1. Ghost has been in the game forever, this means wall should've been useless.
2. Have you actually ever seen someone ghost trough a wall? they don't.

Theres a red poster here acknowledging the issue. Fizz can walk straight through Anivia's wall. Its possible that theres specific timing involved or something (ie it only works right when the wall first goes up).

That's a bug with fizz' passive, not with ignoring unit collision as ghost lets you ignore unit collision and I've never been able to ghost trough wall, pillar or cata.

Hmm. I suppose we'll have to see whether the new ninja tabi have the same bug, I guess. No reason they wouldn't.
-Kato-
Profile Joined June 2010
Spain1146 Posts
December 13 2011 11:35 GMT
#199
Even if Tabis did ignore Anivia wall, would you rather counter her with Tabi rather than Mercs?
jw6282000
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada51 Posts
December 13 2011 11:38 GMT
#200
GG Jarvan
What is this "sc2" you speak of?
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