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On December 13 2011 16:55 rob.au wrote:
Why do you guys think kass is banned every tournament? If you look at xpeke running hp5 + dshield its entirely possible for kass to go vs ad's. That aside riot balances for pubs...hence fizz nerf
"Every tournament" isn't exactly relevant seeing as WCG is like the only tournament that has been played on Fizz patch or later (which was his last nerf). And he was hardly permaban/pick at WCG.
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On December 13 2011 16:55 rob.au wrote:
Why do you guys think kass is banned every tournament? If you look at xpeke running hp5 + dshield its entirely possible for kass to go vs ad's. That aside riot balances for pubs...hence fizz nerf
'cept that he wasn't banned in every game at WCG and he wasn't an auto-win champion either.
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On December 13 2011 16:55 rob.au wrote:
Why do you guys think kass is banned every tournament? If you look at xpeke running hp5 + dshield its entirely possible for kass to go vs ad's. That aside riot balances for pubs...hence fizz nerf
It's because, you know, it's hard to deal with a good kass riftwalking everywhere. Tourneys aren't the same as solo queue. In solo queue you put an ad carry/bruiser there, in tourneys you have to put an ad carry/bruiser/certain AP like swain/sion there and make sure their jungle doesn't camp the lane and makes him snowball. Much easier to ban him.
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On December 13 2011 16:53 BlackPaladin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 16:40 TheBJ wrote:On December 13 2011 16:38 NeoIllusions wrote:
Stop trolling the threads. I've warned TheBJ for the inane idea that Kass counters AD champions during laning phase.
It would be easier if someone just reported the guy for blatant incorrectness rather than being dicks. Please quote me where i said kassadin counters ad carries mid in laning phase. You asked what counters kass in solo q. We replied throw an ad carry/bruiser at him. Aka Lane an ad carry/bruiser vs him. Technically a tanky ap like gragas and sion work too but yeah. You counter that argument saying it's kass's job to kill add carries thus that doesn't counter him. Obviously you mean in teamfights, but we are talking about lanes. In lane ad's and bruisers shit on kass. He can't cs well vs them due to range or simply b/c they can tank his harass and deal damage back to him. By midgame he will have been heavily denied farm. Midgame is supposed to be where his burst is strongest, but If he can't get the farm he needs then he will be dead wait. Aka coutered. Simple enough or did all that elo get in the way of your eyes so you couldn't read this text? Don't come waving your elo/ego here. We don't care. We like real discussion and reasons for doing things, not "this is like this cause i said so and i made up my elo to prove it."
Yes and i agreed they counter him in lane , but MY POINT is that it doesnt matter if he gets countered in lane , because any decent player will still get enough farm to be able to zone out / assasinate the ranged carry out of the fight. ( this is assuming both down lanes did equally or almost. Which leads to the fight being essentially 4v5 after a few seconds of cd's. After 2 death's the other ranged carry will be absolutely dead weight. Anyway im out , thanks for the undeserved warning , good luck in your future adventures in league of legends.
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It's official, guys. A lot of the top teams in the world aren't sane because they put ad carries against kassadin sometimes.
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On December 13 2011 17:00 koreasilver wrote:
It's official, guys. A lot of the top teams in the world aren't sane because they put ad carries against kassadin sometimes.
we are talking mostly solo q , not tourneys. Its well known and obvious riot balances for the mass public rather than the tournaments , or nerfs like eve or xin zhao would have never happened.
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It only works when people ACTUALLY leave after they threaten too.
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On December 13 2011 16:56 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 16:55 rob.au wrote:
Why do you guys think kass is banned every tournament? If you look at xpeke running hp5 + dshield its entirely possible for kass to go vs ad's. That aside riot balances for pubs...hence fizz nerf "Every tournament" isn't exactly relevant seeing as WCG is like the only tournament that has been played on Fizz patch or later (which was his last nerf). And he was hardly permaban/pick at WCG.
Well even in earlier patches it seems like Kass bans were more targeted bans (for instance EG always banning Kass against TSM because they didn't want to deal with Regi's Kass).
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On December 13 2011 17:03 Ferrose wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 16:56 TheYango wrote:On December 13 2011 16:55 rob.au wrote:
Why do you guys think kass is banned every tournament? If you look at xpeke running hp5 + dshield its entirely possible for kass to go vs ad's. That aside riot balances for pubs...hence fizz nerf "Every tournament" isn't exactly relevant seeing as WCG is like the only tournament that has been played on Fizz patch or later (which was his last nerf). And he was hardly permaban/pick at WCG. Well even in earlier patches it seems like Kass bans were more targeted bans (for instance EG always banning Kass against TSM because they didn't want to deal with Regi's Kass).
On NA yes. I refrained from saying that because I'm not sure what Kassadin's ban priority looks like on EU.
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On December 13 2011 17:01 TheBJ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 17:00 koreasilver wrote:
It's official, guys. A lot of the top teams in the world aren't sane because they put ad carries against kassadin sometimes. we are talking mostly solo q , not tourneys. Its well known and obvious riot balances for the mass public rather than the tournaments , or nerfs like eve or xin zhao would have never happened.
The game would be a lot better if riot would tell their playerbase to stop being idiots and what to do instead of just nerfing it because 90% of the players who play this game can't figure out that putting an AD vs kassa mid denies him a shitload of cs, and he can't kill you early when all he has is Q and can never get in range for anything else.
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On December 13 2011 17:04 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 17:03 Ferrose wrote:On December 13 2011 16:56 TheYango wrote:On December 13 2011 16:55 rob.au wrote:
Why do you guys think kass is banned every tournament? If you look at xpeke running hp5 + dshield its entirely possible for kass to go vs ad's. That aside riot balances for pubs...hence fizz nerf "Every tournament" isn't exactly relevant seeing as WCG is like the only tournament that has been played on Fizz patch or later (which was his last nerf). And he was hardly permaban/pick at WCG. Well even in earlier patches it seems like Kass bans were more targeted bans (for instance EG always banning Kass against TSM because they didn't want to deal with Regi's Kass). On NA yes. I refrained from saying that because I'm not sure what Kassadin's ban priority looks like on EU.
It's a pretty solid ban vs fnatic
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Uh if the kass is played against correctly he'll be down probably 30 or more cs after laning. We're talking about nearly 1.5k gold worth of items. For that amount the ad could pick up a QSS straight up to survive kass's burst. :/ how is an underfarmed kass going to burst down an ad carry with over 100MR?
Edit: i just find solo q funny. You always only see assassians or gank-centeic (sion, shaco) champs being banned lol
I loved playing solo q in the beginning of season 2. Elo being in such a mess you just pick an assassian type and feed off bads who are 1500 but were 1250 last season. :D
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On December 13 2011 17:07 BlackPaladin wrote:
Uh if the kass is played against correctly he'll be down probably 30 or more cs after laning. We're talking about nearly 1.5k gold worth of items. For that amount the ad could pick up a QSS straight up to survive kass's burst. :/ how is an underfarmed kass going to burst down an ad carry with over 100MR?
Kass has super high mobility he can always go to a side lane and pick up kills ;d
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On December 13 2011 17:11 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 17:07 BlackPaladin wrote:
Uh if the kass is played against correctly he'll be down probably 30 or more cs after laning. We're talking about nearly 1.5k gold worth of items. For that amount the ad could pick up a QSS straight up to survive kass's burst. :/ how is an underfarmed kass going to burst down an ad carry with over 100MR? Kass has super high mobility he can always go to a side lane and pick up kills ;d
And he can do it just with his sustaining items since his ulti's dmg scales with mana and catalyst / tear give plenty. At BlackPaladin , Kassadin can start picking up kills as soon as he has blue which is 7-9th min mark at worst depending on the jungler's route. Ad carries finish their first item at ~17-20 mark most of the time depending on kills if any. And thats surely gonna be a non surviability item. Qss doenst help alot vs kassadin since he bursts u and goes away leaving you low enough to be unable to team fight or easily finishable by others or second combo. Also if u build qss after your first item you will be severaly behind on damage compared to the other ranged ad , especially if igts LW ( graves ) or PD ( other ad's )
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Kass going to sidelanes to gank vs an ad=lol, Oh kassa went to gank? byebye 2 turrets.
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On December 13 2011 16:38 NeoIllusions wrote:
Stop trolling the threads. I've warned TheBJ for the inane idea that Kass counters AD champions during laning phase.
It would be easier if someone just reported the guy for blatant incorrectness rather than being dicks.
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so now we're allowed to report someone just for being wrong?
Two_down's entire posting history, here i come
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On December 13 2011 17:34 JackDino wrote:
Kass going to sidelanes to gank vs an ad=lol, Oh kassa went to gank? byebye 2 turrets.
Not to mention that it'll be warded and thus result in him wasting time while the AD carry pushes the lane up to tower.
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On December 13 2011 17:35 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 16:38 NeoIllusions wrote:
Stop trolling the threads. I've warned TheBJ for the inane idea that Kass counters AD champions during laning phase.
It would be easier if someone just reported the guy for blatant incorrectness rather than being dicks. ? so now we're allowed to report someone just for being wrong? Two_down's entire posting history, here i come
We should be allowed to report people for being bad, hint hint.
On December 13 2011 17:36 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 17:34 JackDino wrote:
Kass going to sidelanes to gank vs an ad=lol, Oh kassa went to gank? byebye 2 turrets. Not to mention that it'll be warded and thus result in him wasting time while the AD carry pushes the lane up to tower.
He can still riftwalk:p but that's post 6 so he'll be down a lot by the time he can gank. There's no way kassa can gank with full hp without missing a minion wave or 2, so the gank won't be that strong anyways.
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