EPTOn December 14 2011 07:55 STS17 wrote:
Should I buy Maokai or Rammus next?
Primary jungler
Should I buy Maokai or Rammus next?
Primary jungler
Rammus is currently perma-banned.
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broz0rs
United States2294 Posts
Rammus is currently perma-banned. | ||
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Craton
United States17265 Posts
On December 14 2011 07:32 spinesheath wrote: k = 1000, multiplication signs are omitted. 1k8 = 1 * 1000 * 8 = 8000. 1k8 is shorthand for 1008. You're trying to apply some kind of mathematical order of operations when it doesn't apply in the slightest. Look at the sports games that have been made in the last decade that all use some form of this, e.g. 2k10 for 2010. That's just how it's used. It's kind of funny 'cause Skarner never gets banned but feels so much stronger than Rammus atm. | ||
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
On December 14 2011 07:58 STS17 wrote: If they are going to remove dodge from the game they better fucking remove queue dodging too... Why? I'd rather lose 10 elo and have to wait 5 mins than lose 13 elo and have to wait 20+ mins. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On December 14 2011 07:58 STS17 wrote: If they are going to remove dodge from the game they better fucking remove queue dodging too... I see wut u did der. I'm interested in seeing how they're gunna rework ninja tabi, and jax. | ||
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koreasilver
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On December 14 2011 08:07 koreasilver wrote: Alright support players. Yay or nay on replacing our lost dodge yellows with the new gold yellows? gold yellows are shit. It would take like 40 min to make up for oppurtunity cost. I personally use tank runes with my support. (i play soraka) | ||
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Craton
United States17265 Posts
I replaced my mp5/lvl with gp5 and I like it, but the lack of regen is noticeable at times. 7.2 gp10 at level 1 is pretty nice. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On December 14 2011 08:01 Craton wrote: 1k8 is shorthand for 1008. You're trying to apply some kind of mathematical order of operations when it doesn't apply in the slightest. Look at the sports games that have been made in the last decade that all use some form of this, e.g. 2k10 for 2010. That's just how it's used. It's kind of funny 'cause Skarner never gets banned but feels so much stronger than Rammus atm. Difference is skarner doesn't have a solid gap closer, nor any hard cc (until level6), while rammus has amazing gap closer and hard CC by level 4. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
I can see using gold yellows on soraka though, since soraka really has no reason to be up in front taking damage like taric and alistar. | ||
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Craton
United States17265 Posts
It's not that Rammus is bad, it's just that Skarner is so strong it's funny everyone wants to ignore him to ban Rammus. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On December 14 2011 08:10 Craton wrote: Why would you be using dodge runes on a support in the first place unless you're like... Alistar or Leona? I replaced my mp5/lvl with gp5 and I like it, but the lack of regen is noticeable at times. 7.2 gp10 at level 1 is pretty nice. Because dodge runes are like the best defensive yellows for a support? You're not going to have money to buy tanky items much and dodge adds a lot of survivability throughout the entire game. Xpecial used dodge yellows on all of his supports. You shouldn't be needing mana runes on support THAT much when you open with faerie and aren't spamming your spells needlessly. | ||
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Insanious
Canada1251 Posts
On December 14 2011 08:08 wei2coolman wrote: gold yellows are shit. It would take like 40 min to make up for oppurtunity cost. I personally use tank runes with my support. (i play soraka) Um... 9 yellows = 12.69 armor. Armor costs 15.55g/point 12.69*15.55 = 197.32gold 197.32/2.25 = 87.7 87.7/6 = 14.6 Therefore it takes 14.6 mins to make back the gold from armor -> g/10 g/10 seals will also give you 337.5 gold in a 25 min game. This combined with g/10 quints (+3g/10), and g/10 mastery(+2g/10) = 43.5g/min meaning with passive gold gain from mysteries + runes you can get 3 wards every 2 mins. Go Go support! | ||
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Craton
United States17265 Posts
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CeriseCherries
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On December 14 2011 07:55 Requizen wrote: Ah, was that verified somewhere? If so, the passive is at least a bit better than I gave it credit for. Also, was it said anywhere how her Q works with that? Is it also capped at 3 charges, or no cap? If no cap, I can imagine throwing it into a teamfight or big wave for full stacks immediately by hitting out -> in, but I doubt they'd let that happen. It's capped at 3 stacks per spell. Assuming Q hits minions (it should) you will be able to get 3 stacks on each Q during lane phase and I'm also going to assume that W will give you 3 stacks per use if used on minions. The only thing is going to be if W will only count as one stack if all three fire foxes hit the same enemy (so if you use it on the enemy champion when no minions are around). Her E is single target so you'll never get more than one stack on it. In lane it might be better than I gave it credit for although you'll end up being forced to push the lane if you want to get your spell vamp stacks so even then... How useful her passive is during team fights depends on her R imo. If each time you proc her R it gives you three stacks then you'll be guaranteed to get spell vamp proc at least once, maybe twice, per team fight. But as someone else pointed out, how useful her spell vamp is will depend on how much damage her spells do as well as proper ordering of your spells. Like, assuming that R does the most damage you're going to want your spell vamp charge to come from it so you'd want to work your other spells around it. Or like, if Q is a powerful enough nuke and if the spell vamp applies to both the magic damage and true damage it deals you might want to ensure that it's your spell vamp spell. I like how Annie has to manage her spells. I'm kind of hoping Ahri will be similar in that I get rewarded if I think ahead and cast my spells in a smart order to get my spell vamp proc up. Then again, 35% spell vamp on one spell might not be a big enough of a deal to really plan out your spell usage in fights. edit: Ahri's not out yet. Comes out tomorrow. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On December 14 2011 08:17 Insanious wrote: Um... 9 yellows = 12.69 armor. Armor costs 15.55g/point 12.69*15.55 = 197.32gold 197.32/2.25 = 87.7 87.7/6 = 14.6 Therefore it takes 14.6 mins to make back the gold from armor -> g/10 g/10 seals will also give you 337.5 gold in a 25 min game. This combined with g/10 quints (+3g/10), and g/10 mastery(+2g/10) = 43.5g/min meaning with passive gold gain from mysteries + runes you can get 3 wards every 2 mins. Go Go support! The opportunity cost of armor includes taking less damage from stuff, which is definitely not negligible, he didn't just mean a cost per point evaluation. | ||
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STS17
United States1817 Posts
On December 14 2011 08:01 wei2coolman wrote: I see wut u did der. I'm interested in seeing how they're gunna rework ninja tabi, and jax. Current testing theory is giving tabi the removes unit collision ability | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On December 14 2011 07:32 spinesheath wrote: k = 1000, multiplication signs are omitted. 1k8 = 1 * 1000 * 8 = 8000. We already had that discussion. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On December 14 2011 08:29 STS17 wrote: Current testing theory is giving tabi the removes unit collision ability Ehhhh. It'd be nice, but feels sort of gimicky.... | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On December 14 2011 08:01 Craton wrote: 1k8 is shorthand for 1008. You're trying to apply some kind of mathematical order of operations when it doesn't apply in the slightest. Look at the sports games that have been made in the last decade that all use some form of this, e.g. 2k10 for 2010. That's just how it's used. It's kind of funny 'cause Skarner never gets banned but feels so much stronger than Rammus atm. Am i going insane or is this the second time we have had this conversation. | ||
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