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On December 14 2011 07:06 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 07:01 Seuss wrote:On December 14 2011 06:47 mr_tolkien wrote:On December 14 2011 06:42 wei2coolman wrote:On December 14 2011 05:56 red_ wrote:On December 14 2011 05:29 wei2coolman wrote:On December 14 2011 05:16 red_ wrote:
Where were these hybrid penetration runes when Kayle was so big... She's still as viable as ever. Considering that she used to be the unquestioned #1 champ in the game(immediately after first rework) I'm going to go ahead and say no, she's not anywhere close to 'as viable as ever.' Even if you are of the (wrong) view that she is a 'strong' carry right now, 'as viable as ever' implies she is currently at a state that matches her best, which is certainly untrue. Of course I could've just laughed and pointed out how she's really not in a good place right now, but that's less fun. I think she's decent, I play as support dps... She has very good aoe dps... Obviously there are better picks, but I wouldn't necessarily say she's not viable. You should try her top. A 1k8 friend of mine has an 85% win ratio with her atm, she's kind of a ranged tryndamere. It's funny. I jungled her on a whim the other day. She's surprisingly effective. Edit: Also, 1k8 is the weirdest notation for 1800 Elo. Hmm I wanna try it now... It should be fairly effective. Decent light CC (dat slow), Aoe dmg (great for clearing out camps), a Heal. I really want to try this, maybe tonight....
I used a 31% attack speed page and went EWEQ R>E>Q>W. I had some random mishmash of items at the end (Wriggle's, Wit's End, Malady, not sure what else) and mostly kept blue to myself because our Cass mid was feeding. We ended up winning pretty handily because our Tryndamere took full advantage of my ult and Soraka's healing.
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I´d think she has an easier time than Sivir to hit the return given that she has CC (e) and blinks on her ult.
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On December 14 2011 07:21 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 07:06 wei2coolman wrote:On December 14 2011 07:01 Seuss wrote:On December 14 2011 06:47 mr_tolkien wrote:On December 14 2011 06:42 wei2coolman wrote:On December 14 2011 05:56 red_ wrote:On December 14 2011 05:29 wei2coolman wrote:On December 14 2011 05:16 red_ wrote:
Where were these hybrid penetration runes when Kayle was so big... She's still as viable as ever. Considering that she used to be the unquestioned #1 champ in the game(immediately after first rework) I'm going to go ahead and say no, she's not anywhere close to 'as viable as ever.' Even if you are of the (wrong) view that she is a 'strong' carry right now, 'as viable as ever' implies she is currently at a state that matches her best, which is certainly untrue. Of course I could've just laughed and pointed out how she's really not in a good place right now, but that's less fun. I think she's decent, I play as support dps... She has very good aoe dps... Obviously there are better picks, but I wouldn't necessarily say she's not viable. You should try her top. A 1k8 friend of mine has an 85% win ratio with her atm, she's kind of a ranged tryndamere. It's funny. I jungled her on a whim the other day. She's surprisingly effective. Edit: Also, 1k8 is the weirdest notation for 1800 Elo. Hmm I wanna try it now... It should be fairly effective. Decent light CC (dat slow), Aoe dmg (great for clearing out camps), a Heal. I really want to try this, maybe tonight.... I used a 31% attack speed page and went EWEQ R>E>Q>W. I had some random mishmash of items at the end (Wriggle's, Wit's End, Malady, not sure what else) and mostly kept blue to myself because our Cass mid was feeding. We ended up winning pretty handily because our Tryndamere took full advantage of my ult and Soraka's healing.
Jungle Kayle is really strong, and you maintain a decent clear time. Moreover, her level 6+ ganks are really potent because of spammable CC, a ms buff/heal and invulnerability for imba tower diving.
Plus armor/mr shred to make killing those people easier.
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On December 14 2011 07:21 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 07:06 wei2coolman wrote:On December 14 2011 07:01 Seuss wrote:On December 14 2011 06:47 mr_tolkien wrote:On December 14 2011 06:42 wei2coolman wrote:On December 14 2011 05:56 red_ wrote:On December 14 2011 05:29 wei2coolman wrote:On December 14 2011 05:16 red_ wrote:
Where were these hybrid penetration runes when Kayle was so big... She's still as viable as ever. Considering that she used to be the unquestioned #1 champ in the game(immediately after first rework) I'm going to go ahead and say no, she's not anywhere close to 'as viable as ever.' Even if you are of the (wrong) view that she is a 'strong' carry right now, 'as viable as ever' implies she is currently at a state that matches her best, which is certainly untrue. Of course I could've just laughed and pointed out how she's really not in a good place right now, but that's less fun. I think she's decent, I play as support dps... She has very good aoe dps... Obviously there are better picks, but I wouldn't necessarily say she's not viable. You should try her top. A 1k8 friend of mine has an 85% win ratio with her atm, she's kind of a ranged tryndamere. It's funny. I jungled her on a whim the other day. She's surprisingly effective. Edit: Also, 1k8 is the weirdest notation for 1800 Elo. Hmm I wanna try it now... It should be fairly effective. Decent light CC (dat slow), Aoe dmg (great for clearing out camps), a Heal. I really want to try this, maybe tonight.... I used a 31% attack speed page and went EWEQ R>E>Q>W. I had some random mishmash of items at the end (Wriggle's, Wit's End, Malady, not sure what else) and mostly kept blue to myself because our Cass mid was feeding. We ended up winning pretty handily because our Tryndamere took full advantage of my ult and Soraka's healing.
Trynd + kayle ulti should be banned, anyone using it banned as well. lol.
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I am now 5-0 with Karthus at 70-29-67
Bought him yesterday
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with regards to foxy's passive. I believe it may be useful if you can build stacks by hitting multiple minions on a cast.
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On December 14 2011 07:07 Xenocide_Knight wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 07:01 Seuss wrote:On December 14 2011 06:47 mr_tolkien wrote:On December 14 2011 06:42 wei2coolman wrote:On December 14 2011 05:56 red_ wrote:On December 14 2011 05:29 wei2coolman wrote:On December 14 2011 05:16 red_ wrote:
Where were these hybrid penetration runes when Kayle was so big... She's still as viable as ever. Considering that she used to be the unquestioned #1 champ in the game(immediately after first rework) I'm going to go ahead and say no, she's not anywhere close to 'as viable as ever.' Even if you are of the (wrong) view that she is a 'strong' carry right now, 'as viable as ever' implies she is currently at a state that matches her best, which is certainly untrue. Of course I could've just laughed and pointed out how she's really not in a good place right now, but that's less fun. I think she's decent, I play as support dps... She has very good aoe dps... Obviously there are better picks, but I wouldn't necessarily say she's not viable. You should try her top. A 1k8 friend of mine has an 85% win ratio with her atm, she's kind of a ranged tryndamere. It's funny. I jungled her on a whim the other day. She's surprisingly effective. Edit: Also, 1k8 is the weirdest notation for 1800 Elo. Isn't 1k8 -> 1000 + 8 = 1008 ELO?
k = 1000, multiplication signs are omitted.
1k8 = 1 * 1000 * 8 = 8000.
Short cooldowns alone can't make Ahri's passive good. You need short cooldowns on cheap spells AND a high damage spell to proc the vamp with. Just a bunch of weak spammable spells would mean like 3.5% vamp on average. But if the spell you used for the proc deals like half the damage of the whole "combo", you're looking at something like 17% vamp on average.
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On December 14 2011 07:32 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 07:07 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On December 14 2011 07:01 Seuss wrote:On December 14 2011 06:47 mr_tolkien wrote:On December 14 2011 06:42 wei2coolman wrote:On December 14 2011 05:56 red_ wrote:On December 14 2011 05:29 wei2coolman wrote:On December 14 2011 05:16 red_ wrote:
Where were these hybrid penetration runes when Kayle was so big... She's still as viable as ever. Considering that she used to be the unquestioned #1 champ in the game(immediately after first rework) I'm going to go ahead and say no, she's not anywhere close to 'as viable as ever.' Even if you are of the (wrong) view that she is a 'strong' carry right now, 'as viable as ever' implies she is currently at a state that matches her best, which is certainly untrue. Of course I could've just laughed and pointed out how she's really not in a good place right now, but that's less fun. I think she's decent, I play as support dps... She has very good aoe dps... Obviously there are better picks, but I wouldn't necessarily say she's not viable. You should try her top. A 1k8 friend of mine has an 85% win ratio with her atm, she's kind of a ranged tryndamere. It's funny. I jungled her on a whim the other day. She's surprisingly effective. Edit: Also, 1k8 is the weirdest notation for 1800 Elo. Isn't 1k8 -> 1000 + 8 = 1008 ELO? k = 1000, multiplication signs are omitted. 1k8 = 1 * 1000 * 8 = 8000. Short cooldowns alone can't make Ahri's passive good. You need short cooldowns on cheap spells AND a high damage spell to proc the vamp with. Just a bunch of weak spammable spells would mean like 3.5% vamp on average. But if the spell you used for the proc deals like half the damage of the whole "combo", you're looking at something like 17% vamp on average.
The passive would be cool if it was something like 50% spellvamp or w/e. 35% spellvamp is just measily, espeically considering you need to cast minimum 3 spells for it to activate on the 4.
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Question: If Ahri's passive is charged, does it affect items (DFG, Gunblade etc.) or summoner spells (Smite, Ignite) without consuming the charge?
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On December 14 2011 07:42 Seuss wrote:
Question: If Ahri's passive is charged, does it affect items (DFG, Gunblade etc.) or summoner spells (Smite, Ignite) without consuming the charge?
We won't know until she is released
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On December 14 2011 07:31 Sabin010 wrote:
with regards to foxy's passive. I believe it may be useful if you can build stacks by hitting multiple minions on a cast.
Hm, might be interesting to see if each Fox Fire/Ult laser gives a proc, or only one per cast. It specifically says 3 Fires, so maybe spamming that gives stacks faster.
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On December 14 2011 07:10 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 07:06 Lanzoma wrote:On December 14 2011 06:39 Noocta wrote:
[...]Sivir's boomerang blade does more damage on the return trip[...] I think you misworded that, Sivir's Q doesn't do more damage while returning. Yeah, I'm retarded. My fault. Still, I don't think Ahri's Q doing true damage will be too big of a deal unless it has crazy fast travel time. Should be easy to dodge since you'll know exactly where it's going to travel. .
Well yeah.
Not saying it will be a problem, it's just the guy seems to want true damage on every champion he makes. That's weird. x)
Because for now, the true damage for NinetailFox Q seems totaly random to be there.
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On December 14 2011 07:47 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 07:31 Sabin010 wrote:
with regards to foxy's passive. I believe it may be useful if you can build stacks by hitting multiple minions on a cast. Hm, might be interesting to see if each Fox Fire/Ult laser gives a proc, or only one per cast. It specifically says 3 Fires, so maybe spamming that gives stacks faster.
Each spell can give up to 3 stacks. So it's at least 3 spells to charge
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I would like to take back my hype for +%HP runes. Underwhelming.
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On December 14 2011 07:29 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 07:21 Seuss wrote:On December 14 2011 07:06 wei2coolman wrote:On December 14 2011 07:01 Seuss wrote:On December 14 2011 06:47 mr_tolkien wrote:On December 14 2011 06:42 wei2coolman wrote:On December 14 2011 05:56 red_ wrote:On December 14 2011 05:29 wei2coolman wrote:On December 14 2011 05:16 red_ wrote:
Where were these hybrid penetration runes when Kayle was so big... She's still as viable as ever. Considering that she used to be the unquestioned #1 champ in the game(immediately after first rework) I'm going to go ahead and say no, she's not anywhere close to 'as viable as ever.' Even if you are of the (wrong) view that she is a 'strong' carry right now, 'as viable as ever' implies she is currently at a state that matches her best, which is certainly untrue. Of course I could've just laughed and pointed out how she's really not in a good place right now, but that's less fun. I think she's decent, I play as support dps... She has very good aoe dps... Obviously there are better picks, but I wouldn't necessarily say she's not viable. You should try her top. A 1k8 friend of mine has an 85% win ratio with her atm, she's kind of a ranged tryndamere. It's funny. I jungled her on a whim the other day. She's surprisingly effective. Edit: Also, 1k8 is the weirdest notation for 1800 Elo. Hmm I wanna try it now... It should be fairly effective. Decent light CC (dat slow), Aoe dmg (great for clearing out camps), a Heal. I really want to try this, maybe tonight.... I used a 31% attack speed page and went EWEQ R>E>Q>W. I had some random mishmash of items at the end (Wriggle's, Wit's End, Malady, not sure what else) and mostly kept blue to myself because our Cass mid was feeding. We ended up winning pretty handily because our Tryndamere took full advantage of my ult and Soraka's healing. Trynd + kayle ulti should be banned, anyone using it banned as well. lol.
Not nearly as bad as Trynd + Kayle + Yorick + Zilean + anythingyouwantbutprobablyshouldbevayne
^ Ideal team composition
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On December 14 2011 07:53 STS17 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 07:29 wei2coolman wrote:On December 14 2011 07:21 Seuss wrote:On December 14 2011 07:06 wei2coolman wrote:On December 14 2011 07:01 Seuss wrote:On December 14 2011 06:47 mr_tolkien wrote:On December 14 2011 06:42 wei2coolman wrote:On December 14 2011 05:56 red_ wrote:On December 14 2011 05:29 wei2coolman wrote:On December 14 2011 05:16 red_ wrote:
Where were these hybrid penetration runes when Kayle was so big... She's still as viable as ever. Considering that she used to be the unquestioned #1 champ in the game(immediately after first rework) I'm going to go ahead and say no, she's not anywhere close to 'as viable as ever.' Even if you are of the (wrong) view that she is a 'strong' carry right now, 'as viable as ever' implies she is currently at a state that matches her best, which is certainly untrue. Of course I could've just laughed and pointed out how she's really not in a good place right now, but that's less fun. I think she's decent, I play as support dps... She has very good aoe dps... Obviously there are better picks, but I wouldn't necessarily say she's not viable. You should try her top. A 1k8 friend of mine has an 85% win ratio with her atm, she's kind of a ranged tryndamere. It's funny. I jungled her on a whim the other day. She's surprisingly effective. Edit: Also, 1k8 is the weirdest notation for 1800 Elo. Hmm I wanna try it now... It should be fairly effective. Decent light CC (dat slow), Aoe dmg (great for clearing out camps), a Heal. I really want to try this, maybe tonight.... I used a 31% attack speed page and went EWEQ R>E>Q>W. I had some random mishmash of items at the end (Wriggle's, Wit's End, Malady, not sure what else) and mostly kept blue to myself because our Cass mid was feeding. We ended up winning pretty handily because our Tryndamere took full advantage of my ult and Soraka's healing. Trynd + kayle ulti should be banned, anyone using it banned as well. lol. Not nearly as bad as Trynd + Kayle + Yorick + Zilean + anythingyouwantbutprobablyshouldbevayne ^ Ideal team composition
Pretty sure twitch would be better than vayne.
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On December 14 2011 07:51 seRapH wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 07:47 Requizen wrote:On December 14 2011 07:31 Sabin010 wrote:
with regards to foxy's passive. I believe it may be useful if you can build stacks by hitting multiple minions on a cast. Hm, might be interesting to see if each Fox Fire/Ult laser gives a proc, or only one per cast. It specifically says 3 Fires, so maybe spamming that gives stacks faster. Each spell can give up to 3 stacks. So it's at least 3 spells to charge
Ah, was that verified somewhere? If so, the passive is at least a bit better than I gave it credit for.
Also, was it said anywhere how her Q works with that? Is it also capped at 3 charges, or no cap? If no cap, I can imagine throwing it into a teamfight or big wave for full stacks immediately by hitting out -> in, but I doubt they'd let that happen.
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Should I buy Maokai or Rammus next?
Primary jungler
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On December 14 2011 07:55 STS17 wrote:
Should I buy Maokai or Rammus next?
Primary jungler
Rammus is absolutely beastly as long as you understand not to taunt the guy with Cleanse. Maokai is good in certain situations but Rammus is more well-rounded (and definitely stronger to carry solo-queue games with).
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If they are going to remove dodge from the game they better fucking remove queue dodging too...
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