EPT[Patch 1.0.0.131: Ahri] General Discussion - Page 162
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JackDino
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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JackDino
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rwrzr
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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holdthephone
United States523 Posts
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
You don't counter pick ahri with just a ap you counterpick her with your jungler choice. Ryze,Xerath,Annie,Kennen,etc,any champ that has a insta stun or something like that coupled with Mao/Rammus(i.e someone that can hold her in place and deny her mobility) is a sure kill lane.I don't care how skilled you are if mao sits in your lane and your up against one of these aps your going to die mid unless they fuck up. Ahri can save her self once by burning flash pre 6 but than she is either too scared to move out anymore or she moves out and she dies.After she racks up 2 deaths she becomes the most underwhelming mid you can imagine. To quite honest this is how you deal with any mid that you find annoying,you just make a sure kill mid lane/jungler comp. I'm not a 2 k elo player but every time I see a Ahri dominate is because someone goes "LET ME JUNGLE" and picks Nocturne which can't really slam her down pre 6 or hold her in place after,which is what you want to do.So there is where the problem lies for people that have troubles with her,its your jungler imo. Mid lane is like a knife fight,if you fuck up slightly once your most probably going to get 2 shotted.You need the appropriate jungler for what the mid lane needs if you are having troubles against someone like Ahri. | ||
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
On December 24 2011 03:59 holdthephone wrote: getting a QSS to shut down an entire champion means much more than slowing your bt progression. people rarely need as much damage as they get in this game. I feel this is soooo true. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On December 24 2011 03:59 holdthephone wrote: getting a QSS to shut down an entire champion means much more than slowing your bt progression. people rarely need as much damage as they get in this game. This. As Riven, if there's an enemy Malz, I get QSS early as I can if he's focusing me. If it puts off finishing BT or my IE or something, that's fine. It doesn't matter if you're doing less damage, he can literally do nothing to you anymore. Anyone who has some sort of mobility can just get out of everything but his DoT/pet. | ||
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Nehsb
United States380 Posts
I win teamfights much more often because of my q than my ult as malz. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
What business do you have as a champ that builds BT, unless your name is Riven, to be in Malz ult range in a teamfight? | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On December 24 2011 03:46 Two_DoWn wrote: Malz ult is one of those spells that seems great when it works, and is just pure shit the rest (majority) of the time. Yeah man, Tibber's isn't so scary either if it misses it's target. That's just kind of how using ulti's generally works.  But yeah, I get what you mean, but, it's still an ability that scales really well damage-wise and it's either you blow cc/need to get qss to stop it or you're going to take a lot of damage from it regardless. I've always been a fan of malz though. :> | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
On December 24 2011 01:16 unichan wrote: are you too busy playing with these guys is that why you never play with us cartonz My back is still recovering from yesterday. Plus it was like 5am. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On December 24 2011 04:56 BlackPaladin wrote: Yeah man, Tibber's isn't so scary either if it misses it's target. That's just kind of how using ulti's generally works. But yeah, I get what you mean, but, it's still an ability that scales really well damage-wise and it's either you blow cc/need to get qss to stop it or you're going to take a lot of damage from it regardless. I've always been a fan of malz though. :> but trading a spell like a stun for an ult, is always a good trade. seems retarded that some ults are so hit or miss like that. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 24 2011 04:36 Nehsb wrote: Malzahar ult is just bonus in teamfights IMO, against most team comps with 2+ initiators it's hard to find an easy spot to ult anyways. Getting QSS hurts malz, but by no means shuts him down. I win teamfights much more often because of my q than my ult as malz. There's still the fact that Malz is squishy and immobile, and therefore easy to anti-carry. Most of the more common AP picks are either tanky (e.g. Ryze, Sion), mobile (e.g. Kassadin, Zilean), have a skillset conducive to kiting (e.g. Anivia, Orianna) or some combination thereof. Malzahar has none of these, and has to make up for it in pure damage--which means that using him demands a certain amount of protection for him during bans/picks, as well as coordination from your team. Plus there's still the fact that other purely damage-oriented AP carries have higher overall damage output (e.g. Cassiopeia) or have some other more compelling unique advantage than Malzahar's ulti (e.g. Karthus' global ultimate and passive). | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On December 24 2011 05:07 TheYango wrote: There's still the fact that Malz is squishy and immobile, and therefore easy to anti-carry. Most of the more common AP picks are either tanky (e.g. Ryze, Sion), mobile (e.g. Kassadin, Zilean), have a skillset conducive to kiting (e.g. Anivia, Orianna) or some combination thereof. Malzahar has none of these, and has to make up for it in pure damage--which means that using him demands a certain amount of protection for him during bans/picks, as well as coordination from your team. IMO it's more that Xerath has taken over what he does well (long-ranged high-scaling bombardment). | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 24 2011 05:09 Southlight wrote: IMO it's more that Xerath has taken over what he does well (long-ranged high-scaling bombardment). Xerath also happens to be tankier because of how much free armor he gets, and can kite better because he has an MS boost and charging headlong through Xerath's E->Q isn't exactly the most effective way to engage. | ||
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Qualm
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On December 24 2011 03:59 holdthephone wrote: getting a QSS to shut down an entire champion means much more than slowing your bt progression. people rarely need as much damage as they get in this game. I disagree so much. "shut down an entire champion" is hardly true in this case. Malz can always chose to attack someone else. For example, he could simply use ult to pin down the Irelia diving his AD carry. Meanwhile, Renekton is tearing your AD to pieces because he has QSS instead of lifesteal or armor pen. Of course, picking Malz is you have an AP top with fiddle jungle would be silly, as then all their team would get QSS and then you would be screwed. On December 24 2011 05:09 Southlight wrote: IMO it's more that Xerath has taken over what he does well (long-ranged high-scaling bombardment). To be fair, Xerath is just stupidly overpowered, and comparing any burst mage to him is a bit unfair. | ||
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
I don't think Trinity first is ever a viable build except maybe on AD carries like ezreal/corki. Trinity is very strong as a 4th 5th or 6th item once you already have tons of tankiness, since it provides so much utility. Besides, to get kills on people early, a combo of wits end and wriggles probably gives more damage than triforce anyways. | ||
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