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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
December 23 2011 17:12 GMT
#3201
Wouldn't Gragas do well? Insta-clear, damage reduction, a dash, and some scary nuking power. Use your ult, get thrown under his tower by his.
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Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-23 17:29:57
December 23 2011 17:29 GMT
#3202
Gragas vs ahri? he's still a melee champ so you can abuse him with your w and autos early on to give you an advantage. And he has too many skillshots later on.
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Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
December 23 2011 17:30 GMT
#3203
On December 24 2011 01:58 Cloud wrote:
Haven't played vs malz but you're a much stronger teamfighter than him and even if you just exchange farm you're gonna win teamfights later for your team.


Ahri isn't gonna win teamfights for you when Malz instagibs you/silences you.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 23 2011 17:31 GMT
#3204
On December 24 2011 02:12 Alaric wrote:
Wouldn't Gragas do well? Insta-clear, damage reduction, a dash, and some scary nuking power. Use your ult, get thrown under his tower by his.


She's really really mobile. And, while Gragas is too, she can just dance around outside his attack range.
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Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-23 17:34:04
December 23 2011 17:32 GMT
#3205
On December 24 2011 02:30 Ferrose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2011 01:58 Cloud wrote:
Haven't played vs malz but you're a much stronger teamfighter than him and even if you just exchange farm you're gonna win teamfights later for your team.


Ahri isn't gonna win teamfights for you when Malz instagibs you/silences you.


Assuming that he can even get close to you without running into your 4 other teammates. Ahri is not akali, she doesnt go in and tries to burst important targets; she peels and pokes untill your team commits and if the malz is waiting till his entire team is dead to use his ult on you then hes basically a useless teamfighter.
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rigwarl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States540 Posts
December 23 2011 17:35 GMT
#3206
goes both ways, Ahri can kill Malz in the duration of her 2 second disable as well
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
December 23 2011 17:36 GMT
#3207
On December 24 2011 02:32 Cloud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2011 02:30 Ferrose wrote:
On December 24 2011 01:58 Cloud wrote:
Haven't played vs malz but you're a much stronger teamfighter than him and even if you just exchange farm you're gonna win teamfights later for your team.


Ahri isn't gonna win teamfights for you when Malz instagibs you/silences you.


Assuming that he can even get close to you without running into your 4 other teammates. Ahri is not akali, she doesnt go in and tries to burst important targets; she peels and pokes untill your team commits and if the malz is waiting till his entire team is dead to use his ult on you then hes basically a useless teamfighter.


Okay, so Malz instagibs your AD carry and then silences you when you try to go in, and now you're fighting a 4v5 at best.
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Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
December 23 2011 17:37 GMT
#3208
I wonder why malz isnt picked in every game then since he can just instagib one of your carries and silence the other one every time. Not like the silence is impossible to dodge either.
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rigwarl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States540 Posts
December 23 2011 17:43 GMT
#3209
^ your second sentence helps answer the first, lol
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
December 23 2011 17:44 GMT
#3210
On December 24 2011 02:37 Cloud wrote:
I wonder why malz isnt picked in every game then since he can just instagib one of your carries and silence the other one every time. Not like the silence is impossible to dodge either.

Cleanse/QSS/Oranges. While he's still monster mode, people tend to stay away from champs that have a single hard counter like that. Same reason for things like Twitch: he can stomp people so hard, but buy an Oracle or have pink wards and he's suddenly less effective. Or Yi with CC/focus fire, or Kat and Nunu ults with knockups/backs/stuns. It's frustrating to have such a powerful ability just ignored.
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Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-23 17:49:29
December 23 2011 17:47 GMT
#3211
I get qss eventually when there is a veigar on the other team. Dunno why I wouldnt get one vs malz if he was a problem but i think his laning prowess is wildly overrated considering that you outrange most of his stuff.
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Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-23 17:50:18
December 23 2011 17:48 GMT
#3212
That is what holds Malz back, but thankfully only smart people build QSS. Which is .0000001% of solo queue.

Edit: Also I'm pretty sure that Cloud's post was sarcastic lol
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-23 17:49:48
December 23 2011 17:49 GMT
#3213
On December 24 2011 02:37 Cloud wrote:
I wonder why malz isnt picked in every game then since he can just instagib one of your carries and silence the other one every time. Not like the silence is impossible to dodge either.

Low mobility/self-peeling power. If he gets in position to ult someone important, he'll wreck them, but just the same, he's very easily killed/chased out of a fight by beefier anti-carries, because he's squishy, has no escapes, and no kiting power.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
December 23 2011 17:50 GMT
#3214
Also a note on QSS: generally only one or two players need one. In solo queue, you see the Malz ult the same person or two every single time, and they're generally not clever enough to ignore the one that buys QSS and ult a different person.

Just my experience.
It's your boy Guzma!
holdthephone
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States523 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-23 18:11:11
December 23 2011 18:10 GMT
#3215
On December 23 2011 18:12 Ryuu314 wrote:

Her ratios aren't amazing, but they're not terrible either. It seems deceptively low. Her ratios aren't as bad as they may seem. Her Q is 0.64 if you hit both times and the second hit is technically a bit more than 0.32 since it's true damage. Once people hit 100+ mres true damage is roughly double that of magic. You should be able to hit at least 2 out of 3 of your W procs, which combines for 0.67 AP ratio, which is comparable as other champs have generally 0.7. Hit all 3 and it's 0.76. Ahri's E is pretty crappy ratio but that's mostly used for CC. Her ult hits 3 times so it's actually 0.9.

Drings are good also because of the hp gain. It's just too efficient to pass up. Deathcap is also good as it's the best source of damage increase. Rylais is pretty core as Rylais+W is infinite kiting against melees and Ahri needs the hp. Void staff is a no brainer and I personally like Lichbane since you'll be in auto-attack range most of the time anyways and the lichbane proc is really good. Abyssal and Zhonyas are good defensive options for late game.



All good points, but Drings still make little sense to me. AP mid vs AP mid is a lot of trading, and you're leaving yourself in a really risky situation without health potions. If you get beat out, you actually have to grab another Dring in order to stay competitive in the lane. Dring mid vs Dring mid, I understand, since you're both doing it. Though even when I see Dring mids dominate their lane, they still get more Drings!

I've just never had mana issues, found health pots infinitely more useful in staying in lane than a flat increase in hp, and that opening boots certainly gives me more ability to harass with autoattacks (as well as an escape tool). Drings are good on a few champs, but I really don't like how vulnerable they make most.
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
December 23 2011 18:13 GMT
#3216
Are there vods of NESL ?
kepael
Profile Joined July 2011
United States177 Posts
December 23 2011 18:20 GMT
#3217
On December 24 2011 03:13 Lylat wrote:
Are there vods of NESL ?



Lots of them are on colby's channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/colbycheeze?feature=g-user-u
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
December 23 2011 18:21 GMT
#3218
my (limited) experience is that malz ult is mostly for cleanup, unless you're straight up catching someone popping it early in big teamfights can be bad.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
December 23 2011 18:29 GMT
#3219
On December 24 2011 02:36 Ferrose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2011 02:32 Cloud wrote:
On December 24 2011 02:30 Ferrose wrote:
On December 24 2011 01:58 Cloud wrote:
Haven't played vs malz but you're a much stronger teamfighter than him and even if you just exchange farm you're gonna win teamfights later for your team.


Ahri isn't gonna win teamfights for you when Malz instagibs you/silences you.


Assuming that he can even get close to you without running into your 4 other teammates. Ahri is not akali, she doesnt go in and tries to burst important targets; she peels and pokes untill your team commits and if the malz is waiting till his entire team is dead to use his ult on you then hes basically a useless teamfighter.


Okay, so Malz instagibs your AD carry and then silences you when you try to go in, and now you're fighting a 4v5 at best.

Getting a good ult off as malz with pool is actually pretty hard against good teams, it should be impossible to gib the ad carry as malz unless the ad is really really bad, also qss>"malz gib". If malz does catches someone out of position tho then they're fucked. I'd rather have a fed ahri over a fed malz unless you have a cc comp that includes mumu, gallio or anyone else with good stuns/roots.
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
December 23 2011 18:32 GMT
#3220
On December 24 2011 01:22 deskscaress wrote:
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On December 23 2011 23:08 turdburgler wrote:
reading the leesin guide by cruzerthebruzer, i dont understand his logic at all. he advises lvling q as main prio even in jungle? surely leveling e first allows your ganks to be more effective. trading 50 dmg or so for 20%+ more slow seems crazy.

then he says that both trinity force and frozen mallet are bad because they cost too much money? again i dont see how this can be true. trinity force as an example gives you a ton of damage, your spamming abilities for sheen, movement speed + cripple allows you to run past people and dragonkick them into your team and if you dont like frozen mallet your gonna want the best slow proc you can get.

am i just retarded or missing something here?


cruzer is essentially a 1-trick pony and is definitely known for his lee, but you have to give the man credit, he is damn good at lee. he's had tons of experienced at the highest level of play owning with lee. i might not trust anything he says on any other champ but his lee advice is pretty solid. if he says no frozen mallet then i wouldn't get frozen mallet. and like yango said, the reasoning is there - in a game where you're not just crushing anyway, it's hard to set aside 4k gold for an item that gives you only 20 damage when you have such sick AD scaling, PLUS you don't really need the mallet to lock someone up thanks to OP E.

general clarification unrelated to cruzer: the top of solo queue is not the highest level of play, it's the highest level of pub play. ----- you could go triforce if you skipped wriggles, which is entirely possible and probably even preferable now. I've built tforce on him a number of times but while the damage output is insane it really hurts your teamfighting as you become very squishy. I tend to just want to get fat.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
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