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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13850 Posts
November 16 2011 20:51 GMT
#581
HSGG: Wow xerath is so op its craz
HSGG is 1/4

yes hes super op I agree.
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phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
November 16 2011 20:58 GMT
#582
On November 17 2011 04:59 Frolossus wrote:
can't wait for the new vlad skin holy shit


Much better video that doesn't have broken cape animation:


I pretty much use that channel anytime I'm wondering how a skin really looks.
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asianskill
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States289 Posts
November 16 2011 21:21 GMT
#583
On November 17 2011 05:58 phyvo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 04:59 Frolossus wrote:
can't wait for the new vlad skin holy shit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2CKSIlFiA1c


Much better video that doesn't have broken cape animation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61jL7gWf_vI

I pretty much use that channel anytime I'm wondering how a skin really looks.


this skin looks amazing
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Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
November 16 2011 21:39 GMT
#584
Bleh...does anyone feel unmotivated now that the new masteries are out?
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
November 16 2011 21:46 GMT
#585
I like them....probably because post patch im like 8-0 in normals and 6-1 in ranked lololol
Never Knows Best.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17243 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-16 21:48:43
November 16 2011 21:47 GMT
#586
On November 17 2011 05:37 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 05:18 Craton wrote:
Most of the ones with hard CC don't get picked in competitive play either, so I don't see the relevance.


Well mainly because your original post was a list of junglers who lack hard CC. My point was nobody actually plays any of those so you can hardly consider them junglers in the first place.

The logic went:
1.) Fizz is a bad jungler because of factors which include not having a hard CC
2.) I rebut with examples of many junglers who don't have hard CC, therefore hard CC is hardly a requirement
3.) Someone says many of them aren't played in competitive play
4.) I rebut again by saying many junglers w/ hard CC aren't played either, which nullifies the previous argument

On November 17 2011 05:51 sermokala wrote:
HSGG: Wow xerath is so op its craz
HSGG is 1/4

yes hes super op I agree.

He's especially OP when the enemy soraka keeps walking into Blitz hook and dying. I should know, as I saw it firsthand.
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wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
November 16 2011 21:55 GMT
#587
On November 17 2011 06:39 Shiragaku wrote:
Bleh...does anyone feel unmotivated now that the new masteries are out?

I feel exactly like this. This game just doesn't feel the same for me anymore... that and I'm feeding every game because it just feels not as important now .
BW -> League -> CSGO
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Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
November 16 2011 22:11 GMT
#588
Hi all! Just a heads up that Ranked Team Testing is Live on the PBE.

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mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
November 16 2011 22:16 GMT
#589
On November 17 2011 05:09 Craton wrote:
A lot of junglers don't have hard CC. It's hardly a requirement.

GP
Lee Sin
Yi
Nunu
Olaf
Shyvana
Trundle
Tryndamere
Twitch


ya that's also why this is a list of some of the worst junglers right now.

lee sin is exempt because his slow is spammable and you don't need CC when the target dies instantly
GP has essentially a perma slow and an aoe speed buff so again, isn't red reliant
trundle's is different cuz you can actually move the champion with pillar, or physically block their path, which I frequently do when ganking top and bot at the double bushes lining the edge of the map

the rest are pretty bad...wtf twitch trolol?
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Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
November 16 2011 22:18 GMT
#590
shyvana is not bad at all. she sees a lot of high elo play since her creep clear and power level in general is realllly strong. not uncommon for her to get level 6 at same time as solos or even faster.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 16 2011 22:22 GMT
#591
On November 17 2011 07:16 mOnion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 05:09 Craton wrote:
A lot of junglers don't have hard CC. It's hardly a requirement.

GP
Lee Sin
Yi
Nunu
Olaf
Shyvana
Trundle
Tryndamere
Twitch


ya that's also why this is a list of some of the worst junglers right now.

lee sin is exempt because his slow is spammable and you don't need CC when the target dies instantly
GP has essentially a perma slow and an aoe speed buff so again, isn't red reliant
trundle's is different cuz you can actually move the champion with pillar, or physically block their path, which I frequently do when ganking top and bot at the double bushes lining the edge of the map

the rest are pretty bad...wtf twitch trolol?

Well I mean some of them, but GP, Lee, and Trundle are pretty common jungle picks, and Nunu is making a solid comeback for counter-jungle players.
It's your boy Guzma!
mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-16 22:24:56
November 16 2011 22:23 GMT
#592
On November 17 2011 07:18 Brees wrote:
shyvana is not bad at all. she sees a lot of high elo play since her creep clear and power level in general is realllly strong. not uncommon for her to get level 6 at same time as solos or even faster.


Ya I'm really divided on how I feel about her, I know her clear time is good and the ult is decent at clearing ground and cc'ing if you get like a REALLY good angle, but I feel like it's just so easy to avoid that shit during the laning phase and then she doesn't really scale that well into the late game as a damage dealer if you go dps, or as a tank if you try tanky, but honestly I have no idea how to build her so I just kind of ignore her lol

On November 17 2011 07:22 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 07:16 mOnion wrote:
On November 17 2011 05:09 Craton wrote:
A lot of junglers don't have hard CC. It's hardly a requirement.

GP
Lee Sin
Yi
Nunu
Olaf
Shyvana
Trundle
Tryndamere
Twitch


ya that's also why this is a list of some of the worst junglers right now.

lee sin is exempt because his slow is spammable and you don't need CC when the target dies instantly
GP has essentially a perma slow and an aoe speed buff so again, isn't red reliant
trundle's is different cuz you can actually move the champion with pillar, or physically block their path, which I frequently do when ganking top and bot at the double bushes lining the edge of the map

the rest are pretty bad...wtf twitch trolol?

Well I mean some of them, but GP, Lee, and Trundle are pretty common jungle picks, and Nunu is making a solid comeback for counter-jungle players.


oh I see, sorry. Ya it's been interesting to see nunu's cyclical patter of breaking jungles, but being a pussy teamfighter over and over again lol
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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
November 16 2011 22:25 GMT
#593
Gap closers + burst + fast and safe jungling DO make a good jungler with the right allies.
"With the right allies" pretty much implies "not in solo queue", though. Then again Fizz probably still is pretty good in solo queue just like any mobile burst champ.

Even Saintvicious said that jungle Fizz is VERY strong.
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mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
November 16 2011 22:30 GMT
#594
honestly it's so fucking hard to distinguish the true requirements of junglers because of the volatility of this game's meta and the huge variables surrounding the other 4 players on your team.

fizz seems like the kind of champ that you could get good enough at to break the game for some of the shittier people at lower elo's haha
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17243 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-16 22:34:28
November 16 2011 22:33 GMT
#595
1.) Clear speed
2.) HP lost from clearing
3.) Gank potential

That's what defines a jungler.


On November 17 2011 07:23 mOnion wrote:
oh I see, sorry. Ya it's been interesting to see nunu's cyclical patter of breaking jungles, but being a pussy teamfighter over and over again lol

Make Q a worthwhile fighting ability and Nunu will surge in popularity.
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epoc
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland1190 Posts
November 16 2011 22:34 GMT
#596
On November 17 2011 07:25 spinesheath wrote:
Gap closers + burst + fast and safe jungling DO make a good jungler with the right allies.
"With the right allies" pretty much implies "not in solo queue", though. Then again Fizz probably still is pretty good in solo queue just like any mobile burst champ.

Even Saintvicious said that jungle Fizz is VERY strong.


Didn't he say the same about shyvana?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-16 22:43:15
November 16 2011 22:42 GMT
#597
On November 17 2011 07:33 Craton wrote:
1.) Clear speed
2.) HP lost from clearing
3.) Gank potential

That's what defines a jungler.

That's hardly all. Mobility and 1v1 ability are also hugely relevant, among other things.

On November 17 2011 07:34 epoc wrote:
Didn't he say the same about shyvana?

And? She's not definitively bad, so that's hardly a strike against him. Shyvana could be OP, and it would still be like another month before people figure her out enough to realize it.
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mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
November 16 2011 22:43 GMT
#598
On November 17 2011 07:33 Craton wrote:
1.) Clear speed
2.) HP lost from clearing
3.) Gank potential

That's what defines a jungler


not really, but I doubt there's a clear answer to this since it's mostly normative points being made
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 16 2011 22:43 GMT
#599
On November 17 2011 07:23 mOnion wrote:
oh I see, sorry. Ya it's been interesting to see nunu's cyclical patter of breaking jungles, but being a pussy teamfighter over and over again lol

Yeah, he goes in and out, but he's got a place. During his "out" times, people just forget he exists, until some pro dominates with him, ganks a bunch, and controls both jungles. Then everyone starts jungling Nunu, but realize his late game is eh. And the cycle continues.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
November 16 2011 22:46 GMT
#600
On November 17 2011 07:11 MoonBear wrote:
Hi all! Just a heads up that Ranked Team Testing is Live on the PBE.

Screenshots: http://imgur.com/a/Nm7PO
(I didn't actually disband the TL Clan. Also, I messed around a lot and I can't show you the drop-down menu for multiple teams because I derped. Sorry.)

If you want to know more about the PBE and how to sign up, info is here!


Hmm...just found out a little info on ranked teams from rjcombo if anyone is interested.

As of right now, max 8 players per team, max 5 teams.
You play 5 games to get seeded; once seeding is finished you can only change roster (read: add a player to the team) once a week.
I guess that's sort of to prevent people from getting carried to high elo if they don't actually play on the team? I dunno. Doesn't really seem like it would prevent much...I guess you could always check ranked history to see who is being carried/not playing and which 5 are playing all the games?

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