EPTThat being said, spell vamp is insane on Fizz, so fitting in a revolver could be good too.
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
That being said, spell vamp is insane on Fizz, so fitting in a revolver could be good too. | ||
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DoXa
Switzerland1448 Posts
On November 17 2011 03:00 spinesheath wrote: I think he did a full clear in ~3:40 with not all that much HP left? Then again I also think I remember him doing a slightly faster clear even though Blue reset, so I don't know... Doesn't seem super fast considering that the new masteries speed everything up a bunch. Not slow either though. I think he said that the problem with jungle fizz is that you can't gank that well. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
@Sandster: According to the wiki, Fizz's W doesn't apply spellvamp and only his Q and R uses spellvamp. | ||
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Leeoku
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
Most top lane matchups have some CC but not enough damage to finish the enemy off on both sides. Janna can apply her CC pretty reliably. Kassadin, Karthus... Just compose your team properly... | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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Unentschieden
Germany1471 Posts
On November 17 2011 02:25 Craton wrote: It's not wrong. Compare playing vs a veigar to playing vs a Ryze. Against a veigar you pretty much have to always play super safe because he'll 1 shot you if he ever lands a stun, whereas with Ryze he'll never 100-0 you in a single combo, so you can have more small exchanges. It´s actually the opposite. You can´t let Veigar farm since oneshoting fools once he has a boatload of AP is his speciality. His weakness is that he has to use his harrass (q) to get there. Ryze is unique in how utterly sustainable he is dute to his itemisation, he comes out on top if you just keep trading with him. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
On November 17 2011 03:54 Unentschieden wrote: It´s actually the opposite. You can´t let Veigar farm since oneshoting fools once he has a boatload of AP is his speciality. His weakness is that he has to use his harrass (q) to get there. Ryze is unique in how utterly sustainable he is dute to his itemisation, he comes out on top if you just keep trading with him. You completely whiffed the point. Who gives two shits about how you deal with Veigar in the early levels when the examples perfectly illustrated the difference in how people play against something that will 100-0 them vs something that will involve smaller harass trades. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On November 17 2011 04:02 Craton wrote: You completely whiffed the point. Who gives two shits about how you deal with Veigar in the early levels when the examples perfectly illustrated the difference in how people play against something that will 100-0 them vs something that will involve smaller harass trades. The game is only really passive in the early lvls, later on there's usually enough going on. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23394 Posts
I understand you're just trying to come up with an example though. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 16 2011 23:03 Sabin010 wrote: So you could run 2 ap solos instead of getting tanky dps from the top lane. Then why would you decide that AFTER THE FACT? If you knew you were playing double AP, then obviously you wouldn't pick a lane bruiser that sucks in the jungle. I don't see how you'd run into a situation where you'd pick a bruiser who's very clearly a much stronger top laner than jungler, and then go "JK guys, we're playing double AP, so this bitch is going to jungle!" EDIT: Unless of course, you call top in solo queue, and get trolled by some random who picks an AP, and you want to salvage the situation by going jungle. But that's got nothing to do with the question of what's "viable". | ||
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epoc
Finland1190 Posts
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
Compare playing vs a veigar to playing vs a Ryze This is X champion vs. Veigar compared to X champion vs. Ryze. You play the matchups differently. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On November 17 2011 04:27 epoc wrote: I've been thinking about buying as runes but they're quite the investment. What heroes do benefit from them the most? Phoenix udyr, skarner? Pretty much. I think you want them on Vayne as well, Xin likes them somewhat, and.... maybe WW? I don't play him that much. | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
On November 17 2011 04:31 Requizen wrote: Pretty much. I think you want them on Vayne as well, Xin likes them somewhat, and.... maybe WW? I don't play him that much. atk speed runes are great on WW. I run both atk speed marks and quints on him. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On November 17 2011 04:31 Requizen wrote: Pretty much. I think you want them on Vayne as well, Xin likes them somewhat, and.... maybe WW? I don't play him that much. i use them on every jungle just cuz im lazy, also have a special armor pen/ad setup. it works pretty well ig uess On November 17 2011 03:42 wei2coolman wrote: The wriggles nerf was necessary imo. The item offers so much ability for the price. It almost pays itself off in a long game if you always use the wards ability. It offered too much sustain as well. Can just spec into vampirism and get the extra 3% back so its basically the same, but you get a tiny bit of sustain in lane aswell | ||
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
On November 17 2011 04:35 arb wrote: i use them on every jungle just cuz im lazy, also have a special armor pen/ad setup. it works pretty well ig uess Also on irelia, <3 AS marks | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
On November 17 2011 04:28 mordek wrote: For clarity in this discussion I think the original statement needs re-emphasizing... could be wrong. This is X champion vs. Veigar compared to X champion vs. Ryze. You play the matchups differently. I'll use big bright words: YOU PLAY COMPLETELY DIFFERENTLY VS SOMETHING THAT WILL GIB YOU FROM FULL OR NEAR-FULL HP THAN YOU DO VS SOMETHING THAT WILL HARASS YOU FOR AMOUNTS THAT WILL NEVER INSTANTLY KILL YOU FROM 100-0. It's baffling that people are standing here arguing about these specific champions if it has any relevance to the actual point of the conversation. | ||
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