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United States47024 Posts
On November 06 2011 05:31 mr_tolkien wrote:
Like Brand, like Cassio, like Khart, like Kennen. And you know what ? This doesn't change anything. His stun is braindead easy to place with the ult, and in teamfights his Q is enough to stun.
Cassio, Karth, and Kennen all have AoE CC.
Not arguing that Xerath isn't stronger than them, but it's a shortcoming that you do have to be aware of when picking him. He's strong, but he also doesn't fit into every team-comp (like every other champion in this game).
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On November 06 2011 05:32 red_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 05:27 tobi9999 wrote:On November 06 2011 05:18 mr_tolkien wrote:On November 06 2011 04:22 sylverfyre wrote:On November 06 2011 04:19 -Kato- wrote:On November 06 2011 04:16 Two_DoWn wrote:
Thats mostly cuz xerath is flat out broken atm. Im sensing another "people have realised how to play the new champion and he's OP" moments. Im both surprised and not. At first glance, having that much range looked amazing, but then his damage felt lackluster. Seems like once people got used to his kit and realized what he does and doesn't need in items, as well as the best way to abuse his kit, they're making the most out of his range and we might end up seeing him turn into some kind of orianna 2.0? Thing is, he still feels super-counterable. Morgana's spellshield just shits on him ("oh thats the stun particle. I guess i'll shield now. Well I was late on that shield but that's ok because it's the followup spell that stuns!") among other things. He looked 100% broken from the first time they talked about him. Powerful laning, powerful poking, powerful burst, free resistance, WHAT does Xerath has that is bad. people were playing him as if he was any other ap carry with low CD spells they go out in front spam their spells then get killed because they have high CD then they're like WTF THIS CHAMP SUCKS, when it's just them. if you just wait for your full combo and burst people down, or just keep poking people, there is no fucking way you can lose, because you're also good vs assassins like talon because of your retarded passive. Akali might've been good against xerath but not even 3 dashes can keep up with Xeraths retarded 50% movespeed buff. Honestly, Leblanc (and talon before xerath gets dcap) are the only assassins that could "counter" xerath, otherwise there is no way to win fights when that fucker is alive. However, I also think that Xerath has a high skill cap because before your unkillable at high levels due to passive + constant 50% speed from siege being low cd, you're terribly vulnerable to a lot of things. Kassadin destroys him. Also Akali definitely keeps up with him just fine, speed buff and all, even before she finishes her rlyai's or gunblade. You're way overestimating his passive, it's non negligible amounts of armor, but it's not like carries don't shred through that just fine(they do afterall kill tanks for a living).
kassadin destroys him? -_-
try to get more than 10 cs before you're level 6 in lane. It's impossible if the xerath has a brain.
The armor is pretty negligible vs carries, I agree with you on that. But it is life saving vs bruisers and tanks who dive in to kill you, and also AD burst assassins like Talon. On Akali, you might be right, but still, compare the helplessness of Xerath to someone like Karthus.
Meh, I never though Xerath was UP, he has poke, utility, and survivability, but combined with that retarded damage on his combo with ult I now realize is actually OP as hell.
We'll know his full potential by the time MLG comes through :p
edit: also, I think Xerath and Kogmaw on the same team is fucking godmode insta win, I have yet to see a team lose using that combo really. Not just the CLG game but like a lot of EG/TSM/Korean scrims
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And v8 falls in the first round. They have yet to do anything besides lose in a tournament.
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United States47024 Posts
On November 06 2011 05:32 HazMat wrote:
The ammount of bandwagoning the LoL community does is hilarious. When Xerath was released everyone would make all these reasons for him being bad and now people make all these reasons for Xerath being super godmode op tier.
Can we please stop theorycrafting since it leads to the dumbest bandwagons?
Said this before, but people jump on these bandwagons based on what high Elo players do simply because nobody outside of those teams actually gets practice and selecting champions properly. Solo queue is a joke when it comes to champ selection (everybody just picks whatever the hell they want), ranked 5s is a joke in general, and very few teams scrim seriously and with strong enough opponents for the draft selection practice they get to be worthwhile.
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On November 06 2011 05:48 Two_DoWn wrote:
And v8 falls in the first round. They have yet to do anything besides lose in a tournament.
Against what team?
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Some highish elo pug team. No one super recognizable.
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On November 06 2011 05:50 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 05:32 HazMat wrote:
The ammount of bandwagoning the LoL community does is hilarious. When Xerath was released everyone would make all these reasons for him being bad and now people make all these reasons for Xerath being super godmode op tier.
Can we please stop theorycrafting since it leads to the dumbest bandwagons? Said this before, but people jump on these bandwagons based on what high Elo players do simply because nobody outside of those teams actually gets practice and selecting champions properly. Solo queue is a joke when it comes to champ selection (everybody just picks whatever the hell they want), ranked 5s is a joke in general, and very few teams scrim seriously and with strong enough opponents for the draft selection practice they get to be worthwhile.
To be fair, check my last game. If I can go 13-1-5 with someone, there is a good chance that champion might be too strong, at least that's how I came to that conclusion.
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On November 06 2011 05:54 Two_DoWn wrote:
Some highish elo pug team. No one super recognizable.
some of their players are first page solo queue ladder i think.
still, pretty pathetic for v8 to lose first round LOL.
edit: upon further research
their team is
Lautemortis rank 11, 2070
arcknight14 rank 167, 1906
redflubber rank 130, 1921
inoobish rank 129 1925
prollyracist rank 44, 1989
reaperd rank 98, 1940
sackychan rank 533, 1813
so pretty high elo actually, i'm interested to see them play.
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United States47024 Posts
On November 06 2011 05:55 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 05:50 TheYango wrote:On November 06 2011 05:32 HazMat wrote:
The ammount of bandwagoning the LoL community does is hilarious. When Xerath was released everyone would make all these reasons for him being bad and now people make all these reasons for Xerath being super godmode op tier.
Can we please stop theorycrafting since it leads to the dumbest bandwagons? Said this before, but people jump on these bandwagons based on what high Elo players do simply because nobody outside of those teams actually gets practice and selecting champions properly. Solo queue is a joke when it comes to champ selection (everybody just picks whatever the hell they want), ranked 5s is a joke in general, and very few teams scrim seriously and with strong enough opponents for the draft selection practice they get to be worthwhile. To be fair, check my last game. If I can go 13-1-5 with someone, there is a good chance that champion might be too strong, at least that's how I came to that conclusion.
Strong in what context? You could easily go 13-1-5 with someone like Katarina against a team that has no proper CC to shut her down, and she'd look way "stronger" than she actually is. Most of the champion pool is strong in a wide variety of circumstances--it's just a matter of how often those circumstances arise. This is further muddled by the fact that champ popularity is largely driven simply by what got played at the most recent tournament event or what's being seen on high Elo streams--which can actually have very little to do with the strength or versatility of the champs in question. The Katarina example is obviously an extreme case, but when people aren't actually putting in the time to properly explore interactions between various champion picks, there's a lot of stuff that will appear anecdotally strong, but has more situational weaknesses than a single game, or even several games, can make apparent.
I think Xerath is quite strong, but I also agree with Shake in that bandwagoning and cries of "OP" or 'UP" tend to be massively overblown.
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It was more of a "lol I suck so if I can do that with a champion they must be broke" joke.
And realistically, there is no way to know what champs are strong or not besides high elo play. I think xerath is strong because I have watched chauster, DD, and Salce dominate with him for the past 3 weeks. What other way is there to know if a champ is good?
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So this is a qualifier event for MLG? How many teams go through and what benefit is there to winning?
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Vancouver14381 Posts
4 teams go through. I'm not even sure if they have to play all the way but if they do, it should determine seeding at Providence.
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Play should stop at final four.
TSM going over replay of game 2 against AL on OddOne's stream.
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Some champs are very good versus unorganized soloQ and very weak against organised teams. Champs are all good at most of people ELO, but some needs skill and some needs less. I just hate asshole who got the ennemy counterpicking themselves (like lee sin going top obviously and your mate going for akali in the same lane).
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United States47024 Posts
On November 06 2011 06:06 Two_DoWn wrote:
It was more of a "lol I suck so if I can do that with a champion they must be broke" joke.
And realistically, there is no way to know what champs are strong or not besides high elo play. I think xerath is strong because I have watched chauster, DD, and Salce dominate with him for the past 3 weeks. What other way is there to know if a champ is good?
Outside of a few broken edge cases (and it's possible that Xerath is one of those edge cases--I'm not quite sure), most champions are not strong in every conceivable circumstance. The vast majority of the champion pool has contexts where they're situationally good and situationally bad. Solo queue still effectively puts champions in random team compositions, and so tends to not be a good indicator or application of this (particularly given how there are lots of high Elo players that spam 1 champion exclusively regardless of team compositions). Top teams experiment in scrims with what champions are good in what situations (e.g. CLG experimenting with Sivir, Xpecial playing off-beat supports like GP and Ashe, etc.). What gets played in tournaments is just the result of this sort of experimentation, and without proper analysis, most players cannot tell how situational or how general the picks that a given team made on screen are. So they copy stuff blindly that's not generally applicable to the random-team-comp environment of solo queue.
Sion is probably the best recent example of this. He is a strong situational pick, but he has way too many weaknesses to be seeing as much banning/first-picking as he has recently, and many of these players acknowledge this (Hotshot discussing on stream quite a few APs that beat him, Saint saying that the majority of junglers when played competently should be capable of shutting him down, etc.).
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Why is CLG banning Ryze first every game?o_O
Is he really that good or what ?
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On November 06 2011 06:21 TheKefka wrote:
Why is CLG banning Ryze first every game?o_O
Is he really that good or what ?
I heard SaintV say on vent that the team they're playing against atm has a player that mains Ryze or something.
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hsgg became firstblood as gp against nasus what :D
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On November 06 2011 05:48 Two_DoWn wrote:
And v8 falls in the first round. They have yet to do anything besides lose in a tournament.
Not a surprise, Reflex had beat them in an NESL Premier League match last weekend.
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who is playing sona on clg atm?
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