EPT[Patch 1.0.0.128: Shyvana] General Discussion - Page 87
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Wala.Revolution
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 06 2011 08:20 LoCicero wrote: I've been using flat AD marks recently, I kind of like them tbh. I don't really notice any real damage difference early on in the game, and later they're more effective with last whisper and AD scaling moves. (compared to Armor Pen) While I like the tradeoff between flat AD and ArPen on quints, isn't AD less slot-effective on marks by enough to motivate getting ArPen instead? Like, I can understand having just ArPen marks, and using AD quints because there are lots of times where that extra 10 ArPen won't be doing anything in lane--but I have a hard time believing that the first 15 ArPen from marks won't be doing much--at the very least it should be doing more than the miniscule amount of AD you get from flat AD marks will be doing later. Haven't done out the math on AD/lvl marks, though they might actually be pretty good. | ||
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JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
And other than v8, there hasn't been any big upsets in the MLG qualifier so far. The other top 7 teams have all made it to the quarter finals and playing each other for the live event. | ||
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-Zoda-
France3578 Posts
Ok they make a lot of money with the site but it still is very useful and I'm happy for them they can make a living of gaming. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
http://www.own3d.tv/live/141746/Awnnlol | ||
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LoCicero
1100 Posts
A multiplier on AD spells (almost all AD spells have a higher than 1:1 ratio) Easier to last hit off of towers and in general Flat pen becomes weaker once you have a last whisper, which any AD WILL have in a game | ||
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dnastyx
United States2707 Posts
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
23-6 Gragas and we still manage to lose because three teammates are <5 kills and 12< deaths | ||
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dnastyx
United States2707 Posts
On November 06 2011 08:58 HazMat wrote: I didn't want to make one of those silly stream threads just for this but Awnn is streaming our Dominion match for Reddit in about 5 minutes. YUGIOH in the meantime. http://www.own3d.tv/live/141746/Awnnlol Yugioh real noob game, should play mtg | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
On November 06 2011 09:05 dnastyx wrote: AD is better when the enemy cait shows up to lane with 400hp and 16 armor. :3 Actually in this case the 15 armor pen would be much better. But imo, what support you/they have should influence which one is stronger. Taric/Sona/Soraka all potentially give a lot of extra armor. Janna/Sona gives extra AD. I havn't put much thought about it either way so I really don't know what's actually better for what. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 06 2011 09:01 LoCicero wrote: A multiplier on AD spells (almost all AD spells have a higher than 1:1 ratio) ArPen is usually going to provide a greater increase in damage on those spells unless they do AD scaling magic damage (e.g. Jax, Yorick, and Udyr, who, IIRC do use AD marks), because ArPen will significantly multiply the base damage. On November 06 2011 09:01 LoCicero wrote: Easier to last hit off of towers and in general This isn't a smoothly increasing benefit, though. Passing certain amounts of AD will be very useful for lasthitting under tower, and others will be less useful (e.g. having just enough AD to kill a ranged minion that's been hit by tower once, rather than needing to hit it once first). On November 06 2011 09:01 LoCicero wrote: Flat pen becomes weaker once you have a last whisper, which any AD WILL have in a game Flat pen becomes weaker after LW, but is it weaker than the flat AD from marks? Consider a 150 armor target. With LW and ArPen marks, it has 81 effective armor. Without ArPen marks, it has 90 effective armor. The difference is about a 5% damage increase. If you have 171 or more AD (an easily attainable value), the flat ArPen is still a greater damage increase than the 8.55 AD you get from flat AD marks. The flat ArPen becomes worse against targets with higher armor values, but likewise it becomes better at higher AD values (because Armor Penetration acts as a multiplier on physical damage, while AD is a flat increase). | ||
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Enki
United States2548 Posts
On November 06 2011 09:06 57 Corvette wrote: OK. I need to find a duo queue partner, because not even I can carry sub 1100 idiots. 23-6 Gragas and we still manage to lose because three teammates are <5 kills and 12< deaths I am pretty low elo thanks to shitty solo queue. I duo queue with a friend in the 1300s sometimes but even then it's still hard to get out of this shit, especially since I am only getting like 8 elo a win or something ridiculous because of our elo gap. If you are around my elo, I would be happy to play. | ||
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Hynda
Sweden2226 Posts
also Yu-gi-oh > MTG + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Wala.Revolution
7582 Posts
On November 06 2011 09:26 TheYango wrote: ArPen is usually going to provide a greater increase in damage on those spells unless they do AD scaling magic damage (e.g. Jax, Yorick, and Udyr, who, IIRC do use AD marks), because ArPen will significantly multiply the base damage. This isn't a smoothly increasing benefit, though. Passing certain amounts of AD will be very useful for lasthitting under tower, and others will be less useful (e.g. having just enough AD to kill a ranged minion that's been hit by tower once, rather than needing to hit it once first). Flat pen becomes weaker after LW, but is it weaker than the flat AD from marks? Consider a 150 armor target. With LW and ArPen marks, it has 81 effective armor. Without ArPen marks, it has 90 effective armor. The difference is about a 5% damage increase. If you have 171 or more AD (an easily attainable value), the flat ArPen is still a greater damage increase than the 8.55 AD you get from flat AD marks. The flat ArPen becomes worse against targets with higher armor values, but likewise it becomes better at higher AD values (because Armor Penetration acts as a multiplier on physical damage, while AD is a flat increase). Annnd yango to do mathcraft which I rarely, if ever, do. | ||
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OreoBoi
Canada1639 Posts
Time to see the hotshotnidaleeGG LOL Nidalee + Xerath, prepare to die from halfway across the map | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
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HPoirot
United States1303 Posts
Dignitas joins them, beating Curse 2-1. | ||
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JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
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JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
edit: maybe TSM has a chance now. The other team just went derp mode for a while there. | ||
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