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Want to rage about your latest loss?
Use the QQ thread.
If you whine in GD, you'll get warned.

- Neo, 9:49 KST, Nov 9th
Azerbaijan
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States660 Posts
November 06 2011 01:12 GMT
#1741
that was a tense fight O.o
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-06 01:13:33
November 06 2011 01:12 GMT
#1742
TSM aces them only losing Regi now going after Baron. Then takeout the last middle turrets.
LoCicero
Profile Joined August 2010
1100 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-06 01:19:52
November 06 2011 01:13 GMT
#1743
On November 06 2011 09:26 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2011 09:01 LoCicero wrote:
A multiplier on AD spells (almost all AD spells have a higher than 1:1 ratio)

ArPen is usually going to provide a greater increase in damage on those spells unless they do AD scaling magic damage (e.g. Jax, Yorick, and Udyr, who, IIRC do use AD marks), because ArPen will significantly multiply the base damage.

Show nested quote +
On November 06 2011 09:01 LoCicero wrote:
Easier to last hit off of towers and in general

This isn't a smoothly increasing benefit, though. Passing certain amounts of AD will be very useful for lasthitting under tower, and others will be less useful (e.g. having just enough AD to kill a ranged minion that's been hit by tower once, rather than needing to hit it once first).


Show nested quote +
On November 06 2011 09:01 LoCicero wrote:
Flat pen becomes weaker once you have a last whisper, which any AD WILL have in a game

Flat pen becomes weaker after LW, but is it weaker than the flat AD from marks?

Consider a 150 armor target. With LW and ArPen marks, it has 81 effective armor. Without ArPen marks, it has 90 effective armor. The difference is about a 5% damage increase. If you have 171 or more AD (an easily attainable value), the flat ArPen is still a greater damage increase than the 8.55 AD you get from flat AD marks.

The flat ArPen becomes worse against targets with higher armor values, but likewise it becomes better at higher AD values (because Armor Penetration acts as a multiplier on physical damage, while AD is a flat increase).


I'm too lazy to do the math, I do enough of it for my mechanical engineering degree, but I guess what I'm saying is that I personally haven't noticed a difference in my overall damage output at almost all points in the game by using AD runes over armor pen. With a dblade and ad runes you can one shot caster minions off of the tower as an AD carry early on. Pretty helpful in that sense.
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-06 01:19:43
November 06 2011 01:19 GMT
#1744
TSM wins and qualifies as the third team.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
November 06 2011 01:24 GMT
#1745
Epik, Dig, TSM, and its looking like clg are your 4 teams.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 06 2011 01:27 GMT
#1746
On November 06 2011 10:13 LoCicero wrote:
I'm too lazy to do the math, I do enough of it for my mechanical engineering degree, but I guess what I'm saying is that I personally haven't noticed a difference in my overall damage output at almost all points in the game by using AD runes over armor pen. With a dblade and ad runes you can one shot caster minions off of the tower as an AD carry early on. Pretty helpful in that sense.

I thought you could do that with just quints, and not need the marks?
Moderator
tobi9999
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1966 Posts
November 06 2011 01:27 GMT
#1747
On November 06 2011 10:24 Two_DoWn wrote:
Epik, Dig, TSM, and its looking like clg are your 4 teams.


probably could of known this without watching any of the games lol
"tobi is ur iq 9999? cuz i think it might be u so smart wowowow." -Artosis
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-06 01:32:22
November 06 2011 01:28 GMT
#1748
there is no sound on any clg stream?

also dont give hsgg nidalee.
hi
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-06 01:37:27
November 06 2011 01:34 GMT
#1749
I haven't been getting sound on own3dtv in general, from the streams, still get ad noise. Guess CLG won? Didn't see the ending, but ads were played and HSGG is out of the game.

Oh MLG did it? That makes sense then.
TofuFox
Profile Joined November 2010
374 Posts
November 06 2011 01:36 GMT
#1750
On November 06 2011 10:28 Sponkz wrote:
there is no sound on any clg stream?

also dont give hsgg nidalee.


MLG apparently doesn't want them streaming with sound.
Flicky
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
England2675 Posts
November 06 2011 01:36 GMT
#1751
Surprised Xerath isn't an instant ban yet in these tournament games. Watching Crumbzz and Chauster abuse him should clear up any doubts that he shouldn't be banned. Teams that can play a Xerath have some really really gay stuff. Poke poke poke.

Also, I chuckled a bit at the four qualified teams. Why wouldn't you just invite these four teams anyway.
Liquipedia"I was seriously looking for a black guy" - MrHoon
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
November 06 2011 01:39 GMT
#1752
What could possibly be unfair about Xerath hitting the wraith entrance from the area left of purple's blue buff.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
November 06 2011 02:00 GMT
#1753
On November 06 2011 10:39 Craton wrote:
What could possibly be unfair about Xerath hitting the wraith entrance from the area left of purple's blue buff.
Lux lazor can do that he is fine. <.< >.> <.<
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
November 06 2011 02:06 GMT
#1754
I'm glad the brackets allowed for these teams to make it, I would be disappointed to see them eliminate each-other.
Hi.
tobi9999
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1966 Posts
November 06 2011 02:13 GMT
#1755
do they keep playing for seeding?

i wanna see tsm vs clg
"tobi is ur iq 9999? cuz i think it might be u so smart wowowow." -Artosis
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
November 06 2011 02:33 GMT
#1756
On November 06 2011 10:13 LoCicero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2011 09:26 TheYango wrote:
On November 06 2011 09:01 LoCicero wrote:
A multiplier on AD spells (almost all AD spells have a higher than 1:1 ratio)

ArPen is usually going to provide a greater increase in damage on those spells unless they do AD scaling magic damage (e.g. Jax, Yorick, and Udyr, who, IIRC do use AD marks), because ArPen will significantly multiply the base damage.

On November 06 2011 09:01 LoCicero wrote:
Easier to last hit off of towers and in general

This isn't a smoothly increasing benefit, though. Passing certain amounts of AD will be very useful for lasthitting under tower, and others will be less useful (e.g. having just enough AD to kill a ranged minion that's been hit by tower once, rather than needing to hit it once first).


On November 06 2011 09:01 LoCicero wrote:
Flat pen becomes weaker once you have a last whisper, which any AD WILL have in a game

Flat pen becomes weaker after LW, but is it weaker than the flat AD from marks?

Consider a 150 armor target. With LW and ArPen marks, it has 81 effective armor. Without ArPen marks, it has 90 effective armor. The difference is about a 5% damage increase. If you have 171 or more AD (an easily attainable value), the flat ArPen is still a greater damage increase than the 8.55 AD you get from flat AD marks.

The flat ArPen becomes worse against targets with higher armor values, but likewise it becomes better at higher AD values (because Armor Penetration acts as a multiplier on physical damage, while AD is a flat increase).


I'm too lazy to do the math, I do enough of it for my mechanical engineering degree, but I guess what I'm saying is that I personally haven't noticed a difference in my overall damage output at almost all points in the game by using AD runes over armor pen. With a dblade and ad runes you can one shot caster minions off of the tower as an AD carry early on. Pretty helpful in that sense.

That's really strange, as every time I go for AD runes instead of Apen it feels like I deal absolutely no dmg.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3851 Posts
November 06 2011 02:38 GMT
#1757
Where do you guys find streams to watch LoL? (apart from official tournaments on the homepage :X)
: o )
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-06 02:46:20
November 06 2011 02:42 GMT
#1758
CLG and TSM stream using http://www.own3d.tv/game/League of Legends

I hear other teams also stream but they use other sites. At least I don't see them use own3d. Though there are also a bunch of players that aren't CLG or TSM, but use tag for own3d.
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3851 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-06 02:52:51
November 06 2011 02:51 GMT
#1759
Cheers!

Although whenever I watch 'high quality' streams on own3d the stream is all green and unwatchable (not because of my connection, the stream is super smooth), and most of the streams on that site dont have a lower quality version

Edit: I've tried googling for my problem but I still have no idea what causes it, I guess my GFX card?
: o )
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
November 06 2011 02:52 GMT
#1760
Most big streams are listed on the CLG Stream Page or the TSM Stream Page.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
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