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Want to rage about your latest loss?
Use the QQ thread.
If you whine in GD, you'll get warned.

- Neo, 9:49 KST, Nov 9th
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
November 09 2011 15:03 GMT
#2481
On November 09 2011 22:27 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 22:25 barbsq wrote:
i'm sure there are other situations where riot will change your elo (see sv getting 0 elo, and pobelter with 9999 )

Saint farmed back up ezpz.

I miss that stream so much Quadra before first creepwave as Yi.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 09 2011 15:28 GMT
#2482
Alright, is it weird if I'm a ranged AD player and I hate playing as Graves? I mean, he's powerful and what not, but I don't really like his style. He always wants to be up in the opponents face, and I like to sit back and pressure from a distance, like with Ez and Cait. Yet people yell at me for picking Ez over Graves because he "sucks". Should I just focus on playing someone else?
It's your boy Guzma!
Kyhron
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States945 Posts
November 09 2011 15:58 GMT
#2483
On November 10 2011 00:28 Requizen wrote:
Alright, is it weird if I'm a ranged AD player and I hate playing as Graves? I mean, he's powerful and what not, but I don't really like his style. He always wants to be up in the opponents face, and I like to sit back and pressure from a distance, like with Ez and Cait. Yet people yell at me for picking Ez over Graves because he "sucks". Should I just focus on playing someone else?

Play who you want. Ez is a lot better then people give him credit for since most people play the "standard" ad carries and ez isn't among that group. IMO Graves is FOTM since he's new right now. My advice is to play who you want and ignore the QQ cuz it'll stop if you go and stomp on the other team with the champion that "sucks"
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
November 09 2011 15:59 GMT
#2484
On November 09 2011 01:58 unichan wrote:
clearly the solution here is to make flash a built in part of every champion since everyone gets it anyways


Actuall I really like this suggestion. =D
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
November 09 2011 16:03 GMT
#2485
On November 10 2011 00:58 Kyhron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 00:28 Requizen wrote:
Alright, is it weird if I'm a ranged AD player and I hate playing as Graves? I mean, he's powerful and what not, but I don't really like his style. He always wants to be up in the opponents face, and I like to sit back and pressure from a distance, like with Ez and Cait. Yet people yell at me for picking Ez over Graves because he "sucks". Should I just focus on playing someone else?

Play who you want. Ez is a lot better then people give him credit for since most people play the "standard" ad carries and ez isn't among that group. IMO Graves is FOTM since he's new right now. My advice is to play who you want and ignore the QQ cuz it'll stop if you go and stomp on the other team with the champion that "sucks"
Ez is the roflstomper/pubstomper #1 you can leave lane with like 5+ kills.
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-09 16:04:09
November 09 2011 16:03 GMT
#2486
Ezreal is hugely underated by a lot of players because he isn't your typical right clicker and isn't a standard IE, PD, BT generic AD carry build. His utility and burst damage is unmatched though.

Edit: Except maybe graves or trist.
Kyhron
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States945 Posts
November 09 2011 16:22 GMT
#2487
On November 10 2011 01:03 Sabin010 wrote:
Ezreal is hugely underated by a lot of players because he isn't your typical right clicker and isn't a standard IE, PD, BT generic AD carry build. His utility and burst damage is unmatched though.

Edit: Except maybe graves or trist.

Id agree Graves matches Ez in burst not utility though. Ez and trists escape gets through walls where graves just faceplants into it which ruins hes surprise gank potential that ez and trist have where they pop out of nowhere and burst someones face down. My opinion but its what ive obsevered from playing a lot of trist ez and some graves last week
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 09 2011 16:26 GMT
#2488
The only complaint I have about him is his scaling into the late game. You can do fairly well (better than, say, Cait or Ashe), but when you have Vayne and Kog to compare him to, his late game is lacking.

Then again, late game is more the domain of tanky dps (again why Kog and Vayne are strong with %health killing), and it rarely gets to that point.
It's your boy Guzma!
Kyhron
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States945 Posts
November 09 2011 16:30 GMT
#2489
ive never had a problem with tanky dps cuz ill just build a bloodrazor and shred them with autos and qs that just take chunks of their health out while staying at range with e
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
November 09 2011 16:44 GMT
#2490
On November 10 2011 00:28 Requizen wrote:
Alright, is it weird if I'm a ranged AD player and I hate playing as Graves? I mean, he's powerful and what not, but I don't really like his style. He always wants to be up in the opponents face, and I like to sit back and pressure from a distance, like with Ez and Cait. Yet people yell at me for picking Ez over Graves because he "sucks". Should I just focus on playing someone else?

Or play draft and ban graves, nobody will yell at you for doing that!
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
November 09 2011 16:44 GMT
#2491
On November 10 2011 01:30 Kyhron wrote:
ive never had a problem with tanky dps cuz ill just build a bloodrazor and shred them with autos and qs that just take chunks of their health out while staying at range with e

bloodrazor baad when they build any mr. Better to build AD and get a LW.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-09 16:54:10
November 09 2011 16:50 GMT
#2492
There is no real reason for Ez to fall off in the later stages of the game, unless you're feeding, didn't get enough kills, forgot to keep farming etc. etc. Sure he isn't going to have the sheer tank slaying capabilities of Kog/Vayne, but you've taken the magic pen mastery so there is no reason you can't by madred's. You can get away with out building a pure attack speed item attackspeed aside from boots if you keep the passive stacked. A final build on EZ of Boots Triforce IE BT MBR and LW (swap IE or MBR for a banshees veil if you're afraid of something like Xerath) is pretty scary if you're timing q's to proc triforce.

On November 10 2011 01:44 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 00:28 Requizen wrote:
Alright, is it weird if I'm a ranged AD player and I hate playing as Graves? I mean, he's powerful and what not, but I don't really like his style. He always wants to be up in the opponents face, and I like to sit back and pressure from a distance, like with Ez and Cait. Yet people yell at me for picking Ez over Graves because he "sucks". Should I just focus on playing someone else?

Or play draft and ban graves, nobody will yell at you for doing that!

Except that one kid who's like how come everytime I play draft you guys ban my hobo with a shotgun!
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 09 2011 16:54 GMT
#2493
On November 10 2011 01:50 Sabin010 wrote:
There is no real reason for Ez to fall off in the later stages of the game, unless you're feeding, didn't get enough kills, forgot to keep farming etc. etc. Sure he isn't going to have the sheer tank slaying capabilities of Kog/Vayne, but you've taken the magic pen mastery so there is no reason you can't by madred's. You can get away with out building a pure attack speed item attackspeed aside from boots if you keep the passive stacked. A final build on EZ of Boots Triforce IE BT MBR and LW (swap IE or MBR for a banshees veil if you're afraid of something like Xerath) is pretty scary if you're timing q's to proc triforce.

This, imo. MBR isn't a must for every game, but there are a lot of games where you'll have 3-4 tanky opponents with huge health pools. MBR proccing off Q and your passive giving you a lot of procs isn't necessarily a terrible thing. If it's a "standard" team with only 1 or 2 tanky types, you can generally ignore them and focus on the carries, sniping them with your Q and what not.

Every game with Cho, though, I get MBR. Not even a question. You're not going to get any Qs past his bulky form anyway, so just kill him.
It's your boy Guzma!
Kyhron
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States945 Posts
November 09 2011 17:12 GMT
#2494
On November 10 2011 01:54 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 01:50 Sabin010 wrote:
There is no real reason for Ez to fall off in the later stages of the game, unless you're feeding, didn't get enough kills, forgot to keep farming etc. etc. Sure he isn't going to have the sheer tank slaying capabilities of Kog/Vayne, but you've taken the magic pen mastery so there is no reason you can't by madred's. You can get away with out building a pure attack speed item attackspeed aside from boots if you keep the passive stacked. A final build on EZ of Boots Triforce IE BT MBR and LW (swap IE or MBR for a banshees veil if you're afraid of something like Xerath) is pretty scary if you're timing q's to proc triforce.

This, imo. MBR isn't a must for every game, but there are a lot of games where you'll have 3-4 tanky opponents with huge health pools. MBR proccing off Q and your passive giving you a lot of procs isn't necessarily a terrible thing. If it's a "standard" team with only 1 or 2 tanky types, you can generally ignore them and focus on the carries, sniping them with your Q and what not.

Every game with Cho, though, I get MBR. Not even a question. You're not going to get any Qs past his bulky form anyway, so just kill him.

Well of course it isnt a must but if a good majority of the other team starts getting tanky or their one tanky dps starts ripping your team a new one i see nothing wrong with getting a mandreds after sheen/trinity. To me it seems to synergize with ez better then most other ranged carries just cuz of his kit
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
November 09 2011 17:28 GMT
#2495
I hate MBR now. I never buy it on anyone any more.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 09 2011 17:29 GMT
#2496
On November 10 2011 02:28 Mogwai wrote:
I hate MBR now. I never buy it on anyone any more.

umad brah?

User was warned for this post
It's your boy Guzma!
Kyhron
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States945 Posts
November 09 2011 17:30 GMT
#2497
On November 10 2011 02:29 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 02:28 Mogwai wrote:
I hate MBR now. I never buy it on anyone any more.

umad brah?

probably went super tanky on someone and got shredded to bit by someone with one
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-09 17:33:10
November 09 2011 17:31 GMT
#2498
Madreds blood razor is bad. Don't get it ever even with the 15% mpen mastery.Only person I'd get it on is teemo. Some math.
Tankyish target with 3.5k hp (Standard atmogs tank)
Mardreds proc 4% of hp is 140 dmg. Tanks will have around 180-200 mr at least which reduces that proc dmg by around 70% so it does <40-50 damage including archaic knowledge
For a much lower price u can get last whisper with 40 ad and 40% apen which drastically increases ur dps
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 09 2011 17:35 GMT
#2499
On November 10 2011 02:30 Kyhron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 02:29 Requizen wrote:
On November 10 2011 02:28 Mogwai wrote:
I hate MBR now. I never buy it on anyone any more.

umad brah?

probably went super tanky on someone and got shredded to bit by someone with one

My favorite is super late Kog: MBR, Bio-Arcane maxed, IE/PD. 10%+ health per attack, stupid range, lololololol.
It's your boy Guzma!
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
November 09 2011 17:35 GMT
#2500
if you've already started going the AD route, mbr is shit. If mbr is your only (or primary) dmg item, then its great. IIrc its like the single greatest dps item, but it has shit scaling with all the other dps items. If you've already got i.e., you're 100% better off dmg wise getting zeal and lw than getting bloodrazor.
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
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