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On November 10 2011 02:31 Ryuu314 wrote:
Madreds blood razor is bad. Don't get it ever even with the 15% mpen mastery.Only person I'd get it on is teemo. Some math.
Tankyish target with 3.5k hp (Standard atmogs tank)
Mardreds proc 4% of hp is 140 dmg. Tanks will have around 180-200 mr at least which reduces that proc dmg by around 70% so it does <40-50 damage including archaic knowledge
For a much lower price u can get last whisper with 40 ad and 40% apen which drastically increases ur dps
What about Kogmaw. I always get that thing on Kogmaw so I can percentage damage while I'm percentage damaging.
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On November 10 2011 02:29 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 02:28 Mogwai wrote:
I hate MBR now. I never buy it on anyone any more. umad brah?
No. Bloodrazor just sucks. Its horribly expensive, doesnt scale well with other items, and is EASILY replaced by a series of cheaper items that, when combined, are more effective than MBR.
@ Sabin- Thing about MBR on Kog this way- would you EVER rush MBR on Graves. Or Cait. Or Ashe. No. So why the hell would you do it on kog, when he ALREADY does what you want MBR to do.
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Not sure if the talk about Ez's scaling and bloodrazor is an elaborate troll or if people actually think that.
EDIT: I mean, sure there are a few edge cases where bloodrazor is a good item. Most of the time it's just flat out bad. Blind leading the blind?
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On November 10 2011 02:35 barbsq wrote:
if you've already started going the AD route, mbr is shit. If mbr is your only (or primary) dmg item, then its great. IIrc its like the single greatest dps item, but it has shit scaling with all the other dps items. If you've already got i.e., you're 100% better off dmg wise getting zeal and lw than getting bloodrazor.
we were talking about it on Ezreal after say BT boots2 and sheen/tf in the case the other team starts getting alot of health late game when Ez supposidly falls off hard
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On November 10 2011 02:37 Kyhron wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 02:35 barbsq wrote:
if you've already started going the AD route, mbr is shit. If mbr is your only (or primary) dmg item, then its great. IIrc its like the single greatest dps item, but it has shit scaling with all the other dps items. If you've already got i.e., you're 100% better off dmg wise getting zeal and lw than getting bloodrazor. we were talking about it on Ezreal after say BT boots2 and sheen/tf in the case the other team starts getting alot of health late game when Ez supposidly falls off hard
Then you are either of getting more bts, an IE, or even a bc, then combining it with a LW.
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On November 10 2011 02:36 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 02:29 Requizen wrote:On November 10 2011 02:28 Mogwai wrote:
I hate MBR now. I never buy it on anyone any more. umad brah? No. Bloodrazor just sucks. Its horribly expensive, doesnt scale well with other items, and is EASILY replaced by a series of cheaper items that, when combined, are more effective than MBR.
i disagree that bloodrazor just sucks, but it doesn't fit in with traditional AD builds, basically because it doesnt provide crit, and has a magic dmg proc that you have no penetration for. If you're going for a proc based build, its fantastic, like if you're going bloodrazor wits malady, then it fits in great, and actually it kicks in quite a bit faster than i.e. zeal lw builds, but it doesnt have as much late game potential because it doesnt do multiplicitive dmg.
edit: its 100% useless on ez tho, mbr is only for ppl who autoattack as primary dmg, even tho it procs on q, ez's dmg comes from burst, not from long term autoattacking, so stack flat dmg and %pen if u want to do more dmg. Plus ez can skimp a lot on defense kus he's such a slippery fucker
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On November 10 2011 02:29 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 02:28 Mogwai wrote:
I hate MBR now. I never buy it on anyone any more. umad brah?
well, yea, cause you guys are circlejerking each other over a stupid build.
On November 10 2011 02:30 Kyhron wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 02:29 Requizen wrote:On November 10 2011 02:28 Mogwai wrote:
I hate MBR now. I never buy it on anyone any more. umad brah? probably went super tanky on someone and got shredded to bit by someone with one
i go super tanky every game. please continuing buying bloodrazor instead of building last whisper, kthx.
On November 10 2011 02:31 Ryuu314 wrote:
Madreds blood razor is bad. Don't get it ever even with the 15% mpen mastery.Only person I'd get it on is teemo. Some math.
Tankyish target with 3.5k hp (Standard atmogs tank)
Mardreds proc 4% of hp is 140 dmg. Tanks will have around 180-200 mr at least which reduces that proc dmg by around 70% so it does <40-50 damage including archaic knowledge
For a much lower price u can get last whisper with 40 ad and 40% apen which drastically increases ur dps
look, I'm glad your on my side and all, but this is super duper half-assed mathcraft, lol.
On November 10 2011 02:35 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 02:30 Kyhron wrote:On November 10 2011 02:29 Requizen wrote:On November 10 2011 02:28 Mogwai wrote:
I hate MBR now. I never buy it on anyone any more. umad brah? probably went super tanky on someone and got shredded to bit by someone with one My favorite is super late Kog: MBR, Bio-Arcane maxed, IE/PD. 10%+ health per attack, stupid range, lololololol.
you're better off getting another PD or a last whisper.
On November 10 2011 02:37 Kyhron wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 02:35 barbsq wrote:
if you've already started going the AD route, mbr is shit. If mbr is your only (or primary) dmg item, then its great. IIrc its like the single greatest dps item, but it has shit scaling with all the other dps items. If you've already got i.e., you're 100% better off dmg wise getting zeal and lw than getting bloodrazor. we were talking about it on Ezreal after say BT boots2 and sheen/tf in the case the other team starts getting alot of health late game when Ez supposidly falls off hard
you're better off getting a last whisper.
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On November 10 2011 02:39 barbsq wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 02:36 Two_DoWn wrote:On November 10 2011 02:29 Requizen wrote:On November 10 2011 02:28 Mogwai wrote:
I hate MBR now. I never buy it on anyone any more. umad brah? No. Bloodrazor just sucks. Its horribly expensive, doesnt scale well with other items, and is EASILY replaced by a series of cheaper items that, when combined, are more effective than MBR. i disagree that bloodrazor just sucks, but it doesn't fit in with traditional AD builds, basically because it doesnt provide crit, and has a magic dmg proc that you have no penetration for. If you're going for a proc based build, its fantastic, like if you're going bloodrazor wits malady, then it fits in great, and actually it kicks in quite a bit faster than i.e. zeal lw builds, but it doesnt have as much late game potential because it doesnt do multiplicitive dmg.
Thats why I only go mbr on teemo. I build teemo proc based and get a void staff late game so I still do some dmg and teemo scales well with ap too
@smash: heh. I'm in class so too lazy to properly math lolol
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On November 10 2011 02:39 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 02:37 Kyhron wrote:On November 10 2011 02:35 barbsq wrote:
if you've already started going the AD route, mbr is shit. If mbr is your only (or primary) dmg item, then its great. IIrc its like the single greatest dps item, but it has shit scaling with all the other dps items. If you've already got i.e., you're 100% better off dmg wise getting zeal and lw than getting bloodrazor. we were talking about it on Ezreal after say BT boots2 and sheen/tf in the case the other team starts getting alot of health late game when Ez supposidly falls off hard Then you are either of getting more bts, an IE, or even a bc, then combining it with a LW.
I dunno why youd get an IE on Ez. I could see more BTs or a BC but not an IE. From my playing and trying out different builds ive noticed crit is rather meh on EZ. obviously a LW is necessary on any ad
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What about MBR on bruisers who are mostly going for squishies with maybe some health items (rod/ryalis, maybe Bveil)?
That's the only people I'd get it on. Udyr, xin use it pretty well. It scales badly so I don't know why people build it on AD, but for bruisers it works pretty well. The only problem is it seems pretty expensive but it should do a lot more damage than wriggles+wits end for a similar price. The main problem is its less tanky and it takes a long time to complete.
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its good on shaco and scrubwick due to them using the procs in interesting ways
cant think of any others
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On November 10 2011 02:37 Kyhron wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 02:35 barbsq wrote:
if you've already started going the AD route, mbr is shit. If mbr is your only (or primary) dmg item, then its great. IIrc its like the single greatest dps item, but it has shit scaling with all the other dps items. If you've already got i.e., you're 100% better off dmg wise getting zeal and lw than getting bloodrazor. we were talking about it on Ezreal after say BT boots2 and sheen/tf in the case the other team starts getting alot of health late game when Ez supposidly falls off hard
You'd be better off getting LW and then another BT. Never get MBR, by the time the other team becomes super tanky, they'll have a ton of MR/Armor as well.
Like some people have said already, the reason Ez falls off is because he doesn't build crit (since he doesn't benefit from it as much as the traditional autoattack AD carries). If Ez built a PD/IE/BT he would be outputting as much autoattack DPS as Cait or Ashe. It's a tradeoff, Ez outputs considerably more damage with just pure AD/Q boosting items like Triforce/BT during midgame, but falls off lategame when autoattack damage begins to dominate (but this is like 50+ minute lategame which rarely happens).
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Who's favored in Tryndamere versus Singed top, and how should each open?
I (Singed) went Cloth + 5, seemed to be doing alright until a Lee Sin gank got me low and then Tryndamere dived me at level 5 and got away with TWO HITPOINTS. 
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On November 10 2011 02:44 Kyhron wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 02:39 Two_DoWn wrote:On November 10 2011 02:37 Kyhron wrote:On November 10 2011 02:35 barbsq wrote:
if you've already started going the AD route, mbr is shit. If mbr is your only (or primary) dmg item, then its great. IIrc its like the single greatest dps item, but it has shit scaling with all the other dps items. If you've already got i.e., you're 100% better off dmg wise getting zeal and lw than getting bloodrazor. we were talking about it on Ezreal after say BT boots2 and sheen/tf in the case the other team starts getting alot of health late game when Ez supposidly falls off hard Then you are either of getting more bts, an IE, or even a bc, then combining it with a LW. I dunno why youd get an IE on Ez. I could see more BTs or a BC but not an IE. From my playing and trying out different builds ive noticed crit is rather meh on EZ. obviously a LW is necessary on any ad
IE on ez depends on how much you can afford to throw autos around. Its STILL a better item than MBR in every case, simply because it actually scales with your other items.
EDIT- Holy shit- first time in like 4 weeks Smash and I are actually AGREEING on something.
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trynd is so fking hard to kill in top lane, jesus. ppl think yorick is immovable....
singed tho just abuses melee champs in general, kus they cant get close to him (fling trololol), basically survive for awhile, then just push tryn to tower and ward the lane.
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its a super situational item. Id never get it on someone with Rod/Rylais since thats just health on them and no actual defenses so even though they have alot of health youre gonna hit them like a bus. That and id never get it on a bruiser since it doesnt really fit that well in a bruiser build
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Would any of you buy MBR if the tanks had 300 armor and 40 mr?
HAH.
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On November 10 2011 02:50 Alzadar wrote:Who's favored in Tryndamere versus Singed top, and how should each open? I (Singed) went Cloth + 5, seemed to be doing alright until a Lee Sin gank got me low and then Tryndamere dived me at level 5 and got away with TWO HITPOINTS.
Play careful early on and Singed should win after level 6 if you build armor. With a team like Lee Sin + Trynd top (and I'm assuming they have an AD bot), just build straight armor (fuck building catalyst) and never die since 3 out of 4 of their damage sources are essentially pure physical.
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On November 10 2011 02:52 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 02:44 Kyhron wrote:On November 10 2011 02:39 Two_DoWn wrote:On November 10 2011 02:37 Kyhron wrote:On November 10 2011 02:35 barbsq wrote:
if you've already started going the AD route, mbr is shit. If mbr is your only (or primary) dmg item, then its great. IIrc its like the single greatest dps item, but it has shit scaling with all the other dps items. If you've already got i.e., you're 100% better off dmg wise getting zeal and lw than getting bloodrazor. we were talking about it on Ezreal after say BT boots2 and sheen/tf in the case the other team starts getting alot of health late game when Ez supposidly falls off hard Then you are either of getting more bts, an IE, or even a bc, then combining it with a LW. I dunno why youd get an IE on Ez. I could see more BTs or a BC but not an IE. From my playing and trying out different builds ive noticed crit is rather meh on EZ. obviously a LW is necessary on any ad IE on ez depends on how much you can afford to throw autos around. Its STILL a better item than MBR in every case, simply because it actually scales with your other items. EDIT- Holy shit- first time in like 4 weeks Smash and I are actually AGREEING on something.
Id honestly rather get a BT or a defensive item like a banshees then IE. Its just something i dont like building on ez,....to me its more of a pure auto attacker item then someone that deals a good amount of his damage with a very low cd ability
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On November 10 2011 02:56 Zdrastochye wrote:
Would any of you buy MBR if the tanks had 300 armor and 40 mr?
HAH.
Just buy DFG and have your mage kill them.
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