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-Kato-
Profile Joined June 2010
Spain1146 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-27 16:04:43
October 27 2011 15:11 GMT
#2381
So much fiddle talk, heres this for you:

http://fail.zxq.net/FIDDLE_ULTS_YOU.swf

Edit: WARNING LIGHTS N SHIT
Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
October 27 2011 15:29 GMT
#2382
You really should apply an epileptic seizure warning to that post.
3.
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-27 15:32:31
October 27 2011 15:29 GMT
#2383
Taric 2 fabulous, not giving the slightest damn, stunning bitches left and right. So sexy.

currently rooting for myself.
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
October 27 2011 15:35 GMT
#2384
On October 28 2011 00:06 Deltablazy wrote:
Yea, you tell them. I want my free fiddlesticks.

Jokes aside, need some help here. I don't play normal games anymore because nobody takes them serious. I play like 2~3 normal games to understand a new champ but that's about it. I play only ranked and use it as a mean of getting better, cuz you know, 1v1 sc2 ladder mentality on how to get better.

Problem is I don't notice any improvements even though I always play the same champs. Sometimes I do really bad during laning phase with op chars. For instance, I had this game with irelia where I was focusing on farming early game vs gp, he ended up shitting on me and I pretty much got owned for the rest of the laning phase. It seems to happen quite often now too.

So my question is should I go back to playing normals to practice/master my champs or keep playing/practicing/mastering them in ranked?


well your example is a really bad one since gangplank is supposed to shit on irelia.
Brees on in
rwrzr
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1980 Posts
October 27 2011 15:35 GMT
#2385
On October 28 2011 00:03 unichan wrote:
LOL that Fiddle skin is almost god tier, ult is a little bit disappointing but the effects on all of his skills are hilarious, especially that fear. Definitely worth purchase if I wasn't asian.


unibro admits she is cheap news at 11
FADC
isM
Profile Joined September 2010
United States735 Posts
October 27 2011 15:36 GMT
#2386
If anyone here plays AP Twisted Fate I am wondering what someone with more experience on him thinks about building gunblade on him as #1 finished item. I have been toying around with him since he is free again and I have been trying out a build of: Boots +3 pots, 2 d rings, revolver into gunblade, shen, rabadon's, lich bane, Rylai's etc.
Loose lips sink ships
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
October 27 2011 15:40 GMT
#2387
On October 28 2011 00:36 isM wrote:
If anyone here plays AP Twisted Fate I am wondering what someone with more experience on him thinks about building gunblade on him as #1 finished item. I have been toying around with him since he is free again and I have been trying out a build of: Boots +3 pots, 2 d rings, revolver into gunblade, shen, rabadon's, lich bane, Rylai's etc.


could be fun if your just messing around but for competitive play you'll want to build him pretty much exactly like sion in solo q.

boots + d rings --> deathcap ---> lich bane ---> veil/void.

I get mobility sometimes for easier ganking but if lanes are just farming ill go with sorc.
Brees on in
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
October 27 2011 15:58 GMT
#2388
Can we talk Zilean for a minute in here? I saw Elementz has Zil as #1 in draft mode and I kinda just wanted to shoot myself. Like, fucking really? I dunno, am I the only one out there that thinks Zilean is incredibly mediocre and can only win games by snowballing extremely hard? So many high level Zilean games I see are like, 25 minutes of Zil team stomping -> 1 bad teamfight for them where Zil can't ult their Udyr/Irelia/Riven/GENERICTANKYDEEPSHERE and then they just instantly lose the game. And honestly, any strong lane sustainer seems to just fuck him up. You put Zil vs someone like, say, Sion, Morde, Karma, Galio, Cho, and he does fucking nothing in lane except take every blue buff just so he can push the lane back without missing last hits.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
October 27 2011 16:03 GMT
#2389
Id say yorick does zilean's job better, which is why he is banned most of the time. Leaves AP open for actual burst and then you get a tanky dps with the pseudo support role. Just gotta make sure your jungler can also inflict some damage(gp, noct, udyr, etc)
Brees on in
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-27 16:08:21
October 27 2011 16:05 GMT
#2390
On October 28 2011 01:03 Brees wrote:
Id say yorick does zilean's job better, which is why he is banned most of the time. Leaves AP open for actual burst and then you get a tanky dps with the pseudo support role. Just gotta make sure your jungler can also inflict some damage(gp, noct, udyr, etc)

I don't think it's a role-filling issue, more the fact that Zilean loses way more mid matchups than Yorick loses top matchups.

I think Zilean was stronger when everyone's favorite champs to put mid were Orianna and Brand (since I think he has good matchups against both of them), but a lot of the sustain-y mid champs that shove him out of lane are more popular now.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
October 27 2011 16:10 GMT
#2391
If I wanted a fake support mid, I'd play Karma. That way I at least have reasonably good and reliable AoE burst. But still, what Brees is saying is very true. With Zil, you never have a lol-I-dropped-a-bear-on-your-team-and-killed-them-all moment. He doesn't punish positioning nearly as well as, well, any other AP carry. They literally all punish positional mistakes harder with the only exception being possibly vlad.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
October 27 2011 16:11 GMT
#2392
On October 28 2011 00:03 unichan wrote:
LOL that Fiddle skin is almost god tier, ult is a little bit disappointing but the effects on all of his skills are hilarious, especially that fear. Definitely worth purchase if I wasn't asian.


lol wtf you troll... what does being Asian have to do with anything here? I'm Asian and I think SPFiddle looks awsum from the pics alone. zz
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 27 2011 16:11 GMT
#2393
Eh, I think he's kind of a caster version of Caitlyn. Incredibly strong in lane if played right, nigh ungankable, but falls off late game. You win with him by winning lane so hard that they can't come back from it. But like Yango said anyone with sustain or a shield kind of "counters" him in a certain regard. His high range and kit makes him really strong though, I'm not surprised he's ranked so highly.
It's your boy Guzma!
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
October 27 2011 16:12 GMT
#2394
I don't like Zilean, he is rather boring to spectate and to play. 1 damaging ability on AP carry, really? ZzzZ just brought so their bruiser has an extra life, how much more dull can it get. Get him silenced/stunned/knocked up/younameit on the moment he needs to ult, misses it and team loses, gg.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-27 16:13:55
October 27 2011 16:13 GMT
#2395
On October 28 2011 01:10 Mogwai wrote:
If I wanted a fake support mid, I'd play Karma. That way I at least have reasonably good and reliable AoE burst. But still, what Brees is saying is very true. With Zil, you never have a lol-I-dropped-a-bear-on-your-team-and-killed-them-all moment. He doesn't punish positioning nearly as well as, well, any other AP carry. They literally all punish positional mistakes harder with the only exception being possibly vlad.

What about that time that jiji quadra-killed the old TL team with a double bomb? :p
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
October 27 2011 16:14 GMT
#2396
On October 28 2011 00:58 Mogwai wrote:
Can we talk Zilean for a minute in here? I saw Elementz has Zil as #1 in draft mode and I kinda just wanted to shoot myself. Like, fucking really? I dunno, am I the only one out there that thinks Zilean is incredibly mediocre and can only win games by snowballing extremely hard? So many high level Zilean games I see are like, 25 minutes of Zil team stomping -> 1 bad teamfight for them where Zil can't ult their Udyr/Irelia/Riven/GENERICTANKYDEEPSHERE and then they just instantly lose the game. And honestly, any strong lane sustainer seems to just fuck him up. You put Zil vs someone like, say, Sion, Morde, Karma, Galio, Cho, and he does fucking nothing in lane except take every blue buff just so he can push the lane back without missing last hits.


NA teams, CLG in particular, has a real hardon for Zilean for some reason. He's like the most snowball of the AP mids. He's either godlike (with enough farms and kills that set the enemy team back enough) or he's a spamR bot Taric level dead weight.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 27 2011 16:18 GMT
#2397
Also, you can always do a dick move and lane him against short range characters with little-to-no poke and no teleport/charge, have him always bomb never get hit huehuehue.

But then you could do the same thing with any other AP carry, so eh,
It's your boy Guzma!
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
October 27 2011 16:19 GMT
#2398
On October 28 2011 00:58 Mogwai wrote:
Can we talk Zilean for a minute in here? I saw Elementz has Zil as #1 in draft mode and I kinda just wanted to shoot myself. Like, fucking really? I dunno, am I the only one out there that thinks Zilean is incredibly mediocre and can only win games by snowballing extremely hard? So many high level Zilean games I see are like, 25 minutes of Zil team stomping -> 1 bad teamfight for them where Zil can't ult their Udyr/Irelia/Riven/GENERICTANKYDEEPSHERE and then they just instantly lose the game. And honestly, any strong lane sustainer seems to just fuck him up. You put Zil vs someone like, say, Sion, Morde, Karma, Galio, Cho, and he does fucking nothing in lane except take every blue buff just so he can push the lane back without missing last hits.


He ult the Kog'maw so they win teamfight.
Voilà.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
October 27 2011 16:20 GMT
#2399
also zilean + olaf bffs 4eva
I don't feel nearly as secure in my idiot dives with any other support.
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
October 27 2011 16:28 GMT
#2400
On October 28 2011 01:11 Requizen wrote:
Eh, I think he's kind of a caster version of Caitlyn. Incredibly strong in lane if played right, nigh ungankable, but falls off late game. You win with him by winning lane so hard that they can't come back from it. But like Yango said anyone with sustain or a shield kind of "counters" him in a certain regard. His high range and kit makes him really strong though, I'm not surprised he's ranked so highly.

He is better than caitlyn because his role shifts lategame. Rather than fall off, the becomes the single best tanky support in the game. Clone fed carry, then just stand in the middle of the enemy team and absorb threat and damage while the clone and real carry just shred.

Like I'm convinced the single hardest way to carry duo q is to have one person on yorick and one person on an ad carry. If both are farmed, no way you lose that game, even with 3 other derps.
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