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On October 28 2011 01:28 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 01:11 Requizen wrote:
Eh, I think he's kind of a caster version of Caitlyn. Incredibly strong in lane if played right, nigh ungankable, but falls off late game. You win with him by winning lane so hard that they can't come back from it. But like Yango said anyone with sustain or a shield kind of "counters" him in a certain regard. His high range and kit makes him really strong though, I'm not surprised he's ranked so highly. He is better than caitlyn because his role shifts lategame. Rather than fall off, the becomes the single best tanky support in the game. Clone fed carry, then just stand in the middle of the enemy team and absorb threat and damage while the clone and real carry just shred. Like I'm convinced the single hardest way to carry duo q is to have one person on yorick and one person on an ad carry. If both are farmed, no way you lose that game, even with 3 other derps.
I was actually talking about Zilean, but yeah Yorick is nucking futs. Super secret OP, but don't tell anyone lol.
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United States47024 Posts
On October 28 2011 01:14 NeoIllusions wrote:
NA teams, CLG in particular, has a real hardon for Zilean for some reason. He's like the most snowball of the AP mids. He's either godlike (with enough farms and kills that set the enemy team back enough) or he's a spamR bot Taric level dead weight.
Ehh, I'm not sure I agree with that. Zilean isn't quite snowball in the same sort of way that, say, Akali is. Very little of how well his lategame plays out depends on well he himself is doing. The thing about Zilean is that while he has a great lategame, he has poor scaling. The distinction here is that Zilean's presence lategame is huge, but after he gets his core items, he passes a point where putting more farm on him is pretty much translating only into a little more bomb damage, and more revive HP on somebody you probably won't be ulting. When your ult gets to the point where you're reviving 3/5 or 4/5 your team at full health, farm on you is basically worth zero.
This tends to work out well for the way CLG likes to play--Saintvicious loves getting his farm, and everyone talks about he plays his junglers as carries--this is possible when Hotshot or jiji play supportive solo laners that can afford to let him get farm (Zilean in jiji's case, Galio in Hotshot's). In the case of Zilean, you will see Saint play someone like Nocturne, who can easily be cleaning up sidelane farm while jiji is exerting his presence midgame, and by late-game, Saint's cleaned up laner-level farm and has the damage of a carry, while jiji has transitioned into a supportive role.
This tends to create the image of Zilean being a snowball-y champ, but the main thing to be mindful of is that it's not necessarily snowballing on the part of how well he's doing. You can be losing lane as Zilean, and so long as your other lanes and jungle are doing fine, you'll have the same gamebreaking presence mid- and late-game. Likewise you can shit on your lane, but if your real carries are not getting their farm, Zilean's not going to be able to carry you lategame.
As a consequence, this means that Zilean needs to be able to extend his blue buff mobility and set his lanes ahead if they need help, even if it means giving up some of his farm. This is one aspect of Zilean that I feel Reginald is much better about than jiji is. While jiji has better positioning and technical play in teamfights, Regi is a much more aggressive in the early stages of the game, and does a lot more to promote a game-state where his carries are farmed and he can support them well as Zilean. There have been games where jiji will win mid lane as Zilean, but top and bottom lane will lose, and jiji will be a bit too passive and not gank to set them ahead--so when they group up for midgame fights, CLG's damage just isn't there.
On October 28 2011 01:20 Tooplark wrote:
also zilean + olaf bffs 4eva
I don't feel nearly as secure in my idiot dives with any other support.
Zilean also makes it so that Olaf has a real gap closer.
55% MS Boost + Immune to CC = who said Olaf is kiteable?
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Speeding a bruiser and putting a bomb that does ~700+dmg on him while he charges into a teamfight is also awesome.
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Baa?21242 Posts
On October 28 2011 01:51 JackDino wrote:
Speeding a bruiser and putting a bomb that does ~700+dmg on him while he charges into a teamfight is also awesome.
Orianna.
I hate Zilean he's trash. I'm trash with Zil but Zil also sucks zz.
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Ya putting ball on a bruiser then ulting as ori is also fun, so many fun things to do in this game:p
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On October 28 2011 01:11 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 00:03 unichan wrote:
LOL that Fiddle skin is almost god tier, ult is a little bit disappointing but the effects on all of his skills are hilarious, especially that fear. Definitely worth purchase if I wasn't asian. lol wtf you troll... what does being Asian have to do with anything here? I'm Asian and I think SPFiddle looks awsum from the pics alone. zz
Wow, that stereotype just went over your head. Uni is saying that most asians (probably including me to some extent...>_>...) are cheap and would not buy the skin. However...this one might be worth it. I might go buy it, even though I don't even own fiddle and have never played with him.
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I like zilean, he has massive utility in a slow/speed up, his ult makes everything 6v5 if used correctly, and his laning phase leaves no room for error on the enemy team. They either gank you or you farm to 120 get your CDR and proceed to win the rest of the map. His bombs cause panic in the enemy because they become more focused on trying to either run from them or running from their team which splits them up and causes easy kills. It's not that his numbers are awful, because for the most part they are, but that he makes player errors much more aware.
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On October 28 2011 01:11 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 00:03 unichan wrote:
LOL that Fiddle skin is almost god tier, ult is a little bit disappointing but the effects on all of his skills are hilarious, especially that fear. Definitely worth purchase if I wasn't asian. lol wtf you troll... what does being Asian have to do with anything here? I'm Asian and I think SPFiddle looks awsum from the pics alone. zz
You clearly are not asian if you don't get what unichan is referring to 
Real asians will make you wear 3 sweaters but refuse to set the heater to anything higher than 55.
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Baa?21242 Posts
What's a heater?
Lol best 7k.
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United States37500 Posts
On October 28 2011 02:07 EliteAzn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 01:11 NeoIllusions wrote:On October 28 2011 00:03 unichan wrote:
LOL that Fiddle skin is almost god tier, ult is a little bit disappointing but the effects on all of his skills are hilarious, especially that fear. Definitely worth purchase if I wasn't asian. lol wtf you troll... what does being Asian have to do with anything here? I'm Asian and I think SPFiddle looks awsum from the pics alone. zz Wow, that stereotype just went over your head. Uni is saying that most asians (probably including me to some extent...>_>...) are cheap and would not buy the skin. However...this one might be worth it. I might go buy it, even though I don't even own fiddle and have never played with him.
Not elite enough to understand uni, but thanks.
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I might get it when it goes on sale, but I don't play Fiddle enough to warrant a skin.
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On October 28 2011 02:16 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
What's a heater?
Oh, that. It's in the dish washer category of "necessary but you will never actually use it". Heaters keep your pipes from freezing in the winter. If you don't have one your property value deteriorates, and no asian wants that.
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On October 28 2011 02:17 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 02:07 EliteAzn wrote:On October 28 2011 01:11 NeoIllusions wrote:On October 28 2011 00:03 unichan wrote:
LOL that Fiddle skin is almost god tier, ult is a little bit disappointing but the effects on all of his skills are hilarious, especially that fear. Definitely worth purchase if I wasn't asian. lol wtf you troll... what does being Asian have to do with anything here? I'm Asian and I think SPFiddle looks awsum from the pics alone. zz Wow, that stereotype just went over your head. Uni is saying that most asians (probably including me to some extent...>_>...) are cheap and would not buy the skin. However...this one might be worth it. I might go buy it, even though I don't even own fiddle and have never played with him. Not elite enough to understand uni, but thanks.
Aren't you white? That would explain it!
Edit: Never mind, you said you were Asian! I thought you were white! Now it is not explained anymore!
Also, I have spent zero dollar on this game becaues my Asian mommy will not hand me her credit card and she will spank me if I steal it.
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You can always buy point cards at stores IRL.
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So like can I buypoint cards and these will work on an EU account?
EDIT forgot to mention that lets say I buy these cards from the US
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On October 28 2011 02:22 unichan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 02:17 NeoIllusions wrote:On October 28 2011 02:07 EliteAzn wrote:On October 28 2011 01:11 NeoIllusions wrote:On October 28 2011 00:03 unichan wrote:
LOL that Fiddle skin is almost god tier, ult is a little bit disappointing but the effects on all of his skills are hilarious, especially that fear. Definitely worth purchase if I wasn't asian. lol wtf you troll... what does being Asian have to do with anything here? I'm Asian and I think SPFiddle looks awsum from the pics alone. zz Wow, that stereotype just went over your head. Uni is saying that most asians (probably including me to some extent...>_>...) are cheap and would not buy the skin. However...this one might be worth it. I might go buy it, even though I don't even own fiddle and have never played with him. Not elite enough to understand uni, but thanks. Aren't you white? That would explain it! Edit: Never mind, you said you were Asian! I thought you were white! Now it is not explained anymore! Also, I have spent zero dollar on this game becaues my Asian mommy will not hand me her credit card and she will spank me if I steal it.
You could have worded that better.
And you can buy RP cards at most stores that sell games (gamestop for instance)
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On October 28 2011 02:28 SHr3DD3r wrote:
So like can I buypoint cards and these will work on an EU account?
EDIT forgot to mention that lets say I buy these cards from the US
NA Riot Cards will not work on EU Client. Only the options listed in the Stores of the respecitve Servers work. Just FYI before you accidentally spend money on something that doesn't work.
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On October 28 2011 02:36 MoonBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 02:28 SHr3DD3r wrote:
So like can I buypoint cards and these will work on an EU account?
EDIT forgot to mention that lets say I buy these cards from the US NA Riot Cards will not work on EU Client. Only the options listed in the Stores of the respecitve Servers work. Just FYI before you accidentally spend money on something that doesn't work.
Yea - like I totally forgot that you could buy RP cards from stores, then I thought it would be insanely stupid if I didn't ask this before buying any. lol. So still no RP for me 
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United States37500 Posts
On October 28 2011 02:22 unichan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 02:17 NeoIllusions wrote:On October 28 2011 02:07 EliteAzn wrote:On October 28 2011 01:11 NeoIllusions wrote:On October 28 2011 00:03 unichan wrote:
LOL that Fiddle skin is almost god tier, ult is a little bit disappointing but the effects on all of his skills are hilarious, especially that fear. Definitely worth purchase if I wasn't asian. lol wtf you troll... what does being Asian have to do with anything here? I'm Asian and I think SPFiddle looks awsum from the pics alone. zz Wow, that stereotype just went over your head. Uni is saying that most asians (probably including me to some extent...>_>...) are cheap and would not buy the skin. However...this one might be worth it. I might go buy it, even though I don't even own fiddle and have never played with him. Not elite enough to understand uni, but thanks. Aren't you white? That would explain it! Edit: Never mind, you said you were Asian! I thought you were white! Now it is not explained anymore! Also, I have spent zero dollar on this game becaues my Asian mommy will not hand me her credit card and she will spank me if I steal it.
Spend less on nail polish, you might be able to save enough for a RP card at Best Buy. gg
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
That fiddle legendary skin so fucking awesome :D
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