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[Patch 1.0.0.127: Graves] General Discussion - Page 104

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Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
October 26 2011 16:43 GMT
#2061
On October 27 2011 00:14 Phrost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 23:24 Shiv. wrote:
Unrelated to anything:
thanks to the badass that phrost is, I have a new desktop background.

[image loading]

related:
do you think a 24/7 (well, not exactly, but you get the point) counterjungling Shaco is as viable as one putting more of his time into ganks?


what did i do?

I was bored today so I looked at your tumblr. Really liked the 1st page so I've browsed through like 10 or so. Somewhere in between, I found this glorious peace of art.

Seriously. How good is Arrested Development?
currently rooting for myself.
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
October 26 2011 16:45 GMT
#2062
still thinking that graves' kit is nothing out of ordinary while his passive is what makes him broken. the guy just doesnt take any damage.
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
Kyhron
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States945 Posts
October 26 2011 16:50 GMT
#2063
On October 27 2011 01:45 clickrush wrote:
still thinking that graves' kit is nothing out of ordinary while his passive is what makes him broken. the guy just doesnt take any damage.

its not his kit its the scalling on everything imo. his passive just makes it more so cuz once it gets stacked he takes no damage then heals it off in 2 seconds
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
October 26 2011 16:54 GMT
#2064
On October 27 2011 01:50 Kyhron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 01:45 clickrush wrote:
still thinking that graves' kit is nothing out of ordinary while his passive is what makes him broken. the guy just doesnt take any damage.

its not his kit its the scalling on everything imo. his passive just makes it more so cuz once it gets stacked he takes no damage then heals it off in 2 seconds


His passive is the crux of the problem I think. His QWER kit is ok, but add in full GRIT bonus, he can dash in with inpunity.

They were talking about Graves on SotL and Dan Dinh suggested either a nerf to the numbers or stacks, but not both and I agree with him. It's too easy for Graves to gain his full passive and at max it's just silly.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
October 26 2011 16:56 GMT
#2065
On a completely unrelated note, it's amusing to see Stephano's own3d stream at 4K viewers. I think this is the first time I've seen an SC2 stream on own3d get so many viewers (2K+). I guess being a White Hope in SC helps with fame and popularity.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-26 16:58:36
October 26 2011 16:57 GMT
#2066
On October 27 2011 01:45 clickrush wrote:
still thinking that graves' kit is nothing out of ordinary while his passive is what makes him broken. the guy just doesnt take any damage.

Meh, 40 Armor/MR isn't even a Chain Vest or NMM. It's strong, but not so much more so than most passives. It seems strong, I think, because it's the only real defensive aspect to any AD carry, aside from Urgot's shield. Every other carry is 100% offensively oriented in their abilities, so mixing in a bit of defensiveness seems broken.

Honestly, I think, after playing against and as him, his numbers just need to be tweaked and he'll be fine. The thing about him is that he's a burst character with good auto damage as well. Ezreal also fits into this box, but doesn't have that same measure of base damage, and can do it from a range. Corki also has good burst, but no AS steroid.

I don't think his E AS boost needs to be that high. Maybe tone it down to 65% or 70% max from 80%, or reduce/remove the innate CDR. I think it'd be better if the CDR thing only worked on champions and not neutral monsters/minions.

Edit: I think the idea behind his passive is that, with his short range and Q, he wants to be in combat close range. Not good with a squishy, so make him less so, encourage him to be close up.
It's your boy Guzma!
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
October 26 2011 17:00 GMT
#2067
i would rather like to see his auto range toned down than his numbers. make him strong but risky imo.
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
October 26 2011 17:08 GMT
#2068
talon is one of the worst characters in the game no joke

if some one picks him there's a bazillion champions to lane against him that counter him hard.
Brees on in
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-26 17:10:21
October 26 2011 17:09 GMT
#2069
On October 27 2011 02:08 Brees wrote:
talon is one of the worst characters in the game no joke

if some one picks him there's a bazillion champions to lane against him that counter him hard.

Counterpick the talon counterpick and put talon in jungle or in another lane??
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
October 26 2011 17:14 GMT
#2070
On October 27 2011 02:09 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 02:08 Brees wrote:
talon is one of the worst characters in the game no joke

if some one picks him there's a bazillion champions to lane against him that counter him hard.

Counterpick the talon counterpick and put talon in jungle or in another lane??


he loses pretty much every top lane so you only have to change your mid lane pick. Talon can't jungle at all
Brees on in
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-26 17:16:27
October 26 2011 17:16 GMT
#2071
It's just so hard to farm with a champ who can aoe waves for low mana...

On October 27 2011 02:14 Brees wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 02:09 JackDino wrote:
On October 27 2011 02:08 Brees wrote:
talon is one of the worst characters in the game no joke

if some one picks him there's a bazillion champions to lane against him that counter him hard.

Counterpick the talon counterpick and put talon in jungle or in another lane??


he loses pretty much every top lane

lol

no.
twitch.tv/cratonz
-Kato-
Profile Joined June 2010
Spain1146 Posts
October 26 2011 17:16 GMT
#2072
On October 27 2011 02:09 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 02:08 Brees wrote:
talon is one of the worst characters in the game no joke

if some one picks him there's a bazillion champions to lane against him that counter him hard.

Counterpick the talon counterpick and put talon in jungle or in another lane??


I can't get my last pick to jungle when there is no jungler in my team and you are able to convince people to do all that?
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
October 26 2011 17:17 GMT
#2073
When talon was just released Dan and others jungled him nps on day1 lol.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
October 26 2011 17:20 GMT
#2074
On October 27 2011 02:16 Craton wrote:
It's just so hard to farm with a champ who can aoe waves for low mana...

Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 02:14 Brees wrote:
On October 27 2011 02:09 JackDino wrote:
On October 27 2011 02:08 Brees wrote:
talon is one of the worst characters in the game no joke

if some one picks him there's a bazillion champions to lane against him that counter him hard.

Counterpick the talon counterpick and put talon in jungle or in another lane??


he loses pretty much every top lane

lol

no.


ill be glad to test it with you. you play talon, ill play any common top lane champion.
Brees on in
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
October 26 2011 17:21 GMT
#2075
Prollem with graves is he has no problem dashing forward with e to unload a q in your face because he KNOWS that you cant hurt him nearly as much as he is gonna gib you for. I think its a case of the scaling on both his q and his passive being a bit too high.

Id also like for e not to be perma up with a PD at level 18.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
October 26 2011 17:24 GMT
#2076
Don't firstpick Talon, problem solved. As soon as the enemy team has one champ he is good against, he can crush that champ. Top, mid, bot, he doesn't care where you send that champ, Talon follows. And early laning kinda is his only weakness.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
October 26 2011 17:25 GMT
#2077
On October 27 2011 02:20 Brees wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 02:16 Craton wrote:
It's just so hard to farm with a champ who can aoe waves for low mana...

On October 27 2011 02:14 Brees wrote:
On October 27 2011 02:09 JackDino wrote:
On October 27 2011 02:08 Brees wrote:
talon is one of the worst characters in the game no joke

if some one picks him there's a bazillion champions to lane against him that counter him hard.

Counterpick the talon counterpick and put talon in jungle or in another lane??


he loses pretty much every top lane

lol

no.


ill be glad to test it with you. you play talon, ill play any common top lane champion.

Why put him top when he's clearly better mid, though? Run something stupid like Ryze/Talon with 2x Teleport and out-lane-switch the enemy team imoimo.

Then again, I'm totally bad at this game. No clue if it would work, I just don't see it not working.
currently rooting for myself.
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
October 26 2011 17:25 GMT
#2078
On October 27 2011 02:24 spinesheath wrote:
Don't firstpick Talon, problem solved. As soon as the enemy team has one champ he is good against, he can crush that champ. Top, mid, bot, he doesn't care where you send that champ, Talon follows. And early laning kinda is his only weakness.


switch to armor yellows, problem solved.
Brees on in
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
October 26 2011 17:26 GMT
#2079
On October 27 2011 02:20 Brees wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 02:16 Craton wrote:
It's just so hard to farm with a champ who can aoe waves for low mana...

On October 27 2011 02:14 Brees wrote:
On October 27 2011 02:09 JackDino wrote:
On October 27 2011 02:08 Brees wrote:
talon is one of the worst characters in the game no joke

if some one picks him there's a bazillion champions to lane against him that counter him hard.

Counterpick the talon counterpick and put talon in jungle or in another lane??


he loses pretty much every top lane

lol

no.


ill be glad to test it with you. you play talon, ill play any common top lane champion.

I don't play Talon. And I once again laugh at you, only this time for doing the internet equivalent of "lets fight by the flagpole."

If you're losing every lane as Talon, the problem is you.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
October 26 2011 17:26 GMT
#2080
On October 27 2011 02:25 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 02:20 Brees wrote:
On October 27 2011 02:16 Craton wrote:
It's just so hard to farm with a champ who can aoe waves for low mana...

On October 27 2011 02:14 Brees wrote:
On October 27 2011 02:09 JackDino wrote:
On October 27 2011 02:08 Brees wrote:
talon is one of the worst characters in the game no joke

if some one picks him there's a bazillion champions to lane against him that counter him hard.

Counterpick the talon counterpick and put talon in jungle or in another lane??


he loses pretty much every top lane

lol

no.


ill be glad to test it with you. you play talon, ill play any common top lane champion.

Why put him top when he's clearly better mid, though? Run something stupid like Ryze/Talon with 2x Teleport and out-lane-switch the enemy team imoimo.

Then again, I'm totally bad at this game. No clue if it would work, I just don't see it not working.


he specifically refuted my top lane claim.
Brees on in
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