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Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
October 26 2011 17:27 GMT
#2081
On October 27 2011 02:26 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 02:20 Brees wrote:
On October 27 2011 02:16 Craton wrote:
It's just so hard to farm with a champ who can aoe waves for low mana...

On October 27 2011 02:14 Brees wrote:
On October 27 2011 02:09 JackDino wrote:
On October 27 2011 02:08 Brees wrote:
talon is one of the worst characters in the game no joke

if some one picks him there's a bazillion champions to lane against him that counter him hard.

Counterpick the talon counterpick and put talon in jungle or in another lane??


he loses pretty much every top lane

lol

no.


ill be glad to test it with you. you play talon, ill play any common top lane champion.

I don't play Talon. And I once again laugh at you, only this time for doing the internet equivalent of "lets fight by the flagpole."

If you're losing every lane as Talon, the problem is you.


so far your only argument has been "no"

if you're not willing to prove anything then talon sucks as agreed.
Brees on in
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
October 26 2011 17:28 GMT
#2082
Talon requires some thought to counter, but not particularly high mechanical skills. It's obvious as hell what he's going to do because there's only 1 thing he CAN do. It's always going to be the exact same shit so if it doesn't work then he loses.

Gp beats Talon silly. Yorick can deny talon if he wards the brushes. Etc etc.

If you are blindly putting talon top then yes he's a terrible pick. Thing is, Talon can even go bottom or mid so you need 3 lanes that can beat Talon for him to have no place to go.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
October 26 2011 17:29 GMT
#2083
On October 27 2011 02:25 Brees wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 02:24 spinesheath wrote:
Don't firstpick Talon, problem solved. As soon as the enemy team has one champ he is good against, he can crush that champ. Top, mid, bot, he doesn't care where you send that champ, Talon follows. And early laning kinda is his only weakness.


switch to armor yellows, problem solved.


then he gets a brutalizer and your advantage is gone
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-26 17:29:23
October 26 2011 17:29 GMT
#2084
You thinking Talon is bad is hilarious to me.
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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
October 26 2011 17:29 GMT
#2085
As if simply taking Armor seals makes Talon lose the lane.
I guess every AP loses by default if you take MR glyphs?
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
October 26 2011 17:29 GMT
#2086
On October 27 2011 02:29 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 02:25 Brees wrote:
On October 27 2011 02:24 spinesheath wrote:
Don't firstpick Talon, problem solved. As soon as the enemy team has one champ he is good against, he can crush that champ. Top, mid, bot, he doesn't care where you send that champ, Talon follows. And early laning kinda is his only weakness.


switch to armor yellows, problem solved.


then he gets a brutalizer and your advantage is gone


i forgot im not getting any money right

buy cloth armor which is less then 1/4th the price of brutalizer

Brees on in
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
October 26 2011 17:30 GMT
#2087
On October 27 2011 02:29 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 02:25 Brees wrote:
On October 27 2011 02:24 spinesheath wrote:
Don't firstpick Talon, problem solved. As soon as the enemy team has one champ he is good against, he can crush that champ. Top, mid, bot, he doesn't care where you send that champ, Talon follows. And early laning kinda is his only weakness.


switch to armor yellows, problem solved.


then he gets a brutalizer and your advantage is gone

And then you get a chain vest and his advantage is gone.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-26 17:30:38
October 26 2011 17:30 GMT
#2088
On October 27 2011 02:29 Craton wrote:
You thinking Talon is bad is hilarious to me.


you being bad is hilarious to me. flame war commence.

you obviously don't want to have a civil discussion so...

User was warned for this post
Brees on in
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
October 26 2011 17:31 GMT
#2089
On October 27 2011 02:29 spinesheath wrote:
As if simply taking Armor seals makes Talon lose the lane.
I guess every AP loses by default if you take MR glyphs?


you won't die to them which is the point. assassins become incredibly weak when they aren't ahead, especially talon
Brees on in
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
October 26 2011 17:32 GMT
#2090
On October 27 2011 02:30 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 02:29 gtrsrs wrote:
On October 27 2011 02:25 Brees wrote:
On October 27 2011 02:24 spinesheath wrote:
Don't firstpick Talon, problem solved. As soon as the enemy team has one champ he is good against, he can crush that champ. Top, mid, bot, he doesn't care where you send that champ, Talon follows. And early laning kinda is his only weakness.


switch to armor yellows, problem solved.


then he gets a brutalizer and your advantage is gone

And then you get a chain vest and his advantage is gone.

Yeah but you're a squishy AP (or otherwise Talon shouldn't be facing you), so that Chainmail is pretty useless, while Talon wants to build damage anyways.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
October 26 2011 17:32 GMT
#2091
On October 27 2011 02:30 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 02:29 gtrsrs wrote:
On October 27 2011 02:25 Brees wrote:
On October 27 2011 02:24 spinesheath wrote:
Don't firstpick Talon, problem solved. As soon as the enemy team has one champ he is good against, he can crush that champ. Top, mid, bot, he doesn't care where you send that champ, Talon follows. And early laning kinda is his only weakness.


switch to armor yellows, problem solved.


then he gets a brutalizer and your advantage is gone

And then you get a chain vest and his advantage is gone.


except on talon, brutalizer is a core item that will also help him demolish your squishy
chain vest helps no one crush the enemy carry. if talon building core items is able to force you away from YOUR core items, then he's already winning

it's the same logic as pantheon. extremely strong early game that forces the enemy to build to survive, slowing down their ability to actually contribute
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
October 26 2011 17:32 GMT
#2092
On October 27 2011 02:30 Brees wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 02:29 Craton wrote:
You thinking Talon is bad is hilarious to me.


you being bad is hilarious to me. flame war commence.

you obviously don't want to have a civil discussion so...


Talon is the squishy killer. He loses to crazy sustainers, of which there are the highest concentration top-lane. It's like explaining 1 + 1 = 2 to someone. He's one of the best squishy rapists in the game.
Hey! How you doin'?
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-26 17:33:45
October 26 2011 17:32 GMT
#2093
For what it's worth, I still think it's worth banning Talon because just like with some other snowbally champs, it only takes 1 retard on your team to screw things up even if you know how to deal with him.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
October 26 2011 17:34 GMT
#2094
Stop theorycrafting with nothing substantial to back up your claim.
This devolves into a flame war otherwise. Just hold on to your own opinion until otherwise proven.

Thanks.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
October 26 2011 17:35 GMT
#2095
I offer anyone to play talon against me and ill be any standard ap mid. case closed.
Brees on in
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
October 26 2011 17:38 GMT
#2096
On October 27 2011 02:32 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 02:30 JackDino wrote:
On October 27 2011 02:29 gtrsrs wrote:
On October 27 2011 02:25 Brees wrote:
On October 27 2011 02:24 spinesheath wrote:
Don't firstpick Talon, problem solved. As soon as the enemy team has one champ he is good against, he can crush that champ. Top, mid, bot, he doesn't care where you send that champ, Talon follows. And early laning kinda is his only weakness.


switch to armor yellows, problem solved.


then he gets a brutalizer and your advantage is gone

And then you get a chain vest and his advantage is gone.


except on talon, brutalizer is a core item that will also help him demolish your squishy
chain vest helps no one crush the enemy carry. if talon building core items is able to force you away from YOUR core items, then he's already winning

it's the same logic as pantheon. extremely strong early game that forces the enemy to build to survive, slowing down their ability to actually contribute

Not if you put something against talon that can actually use a chain mail, and you can always run ryze as your ap.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
October 26 2011 17:48 GMT
#2097
On October 27 2011 02:35 Brees wrote:
I offer anyone to play talon against me and ill be any standard ap mid. case closed.


Brees is real man. Best way to put your opinion where your mouth is.

If no one replies, I'll ask Loco for you. He runs a beast Talon.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
October 26 2011 17:51 GMT
#2098
Chain vest completely neuters talon. It costs 700. Who the fuck cares that your carry is now invincible and freefarming mid, but 700 gold 'behind'?

Quite frankly, AP mid has an easy out in hourglass, which you're generally going to want one if your opponent's running one of their solo lanes exclusively invested into physical burst.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-26 17:57:31
October 26 2011 17:57 GMT
#2099
You don't even need sustain to beat talon if you can set him back early.
Full armor runes Wukong vs Talon top. Level 2, Xin gank, crush Talon, buy boots and pots, suddenly he can't trade at all without losing half his health for maybe 1/4 of mine.
(Especially since you can Q before he blinks to you, then follow his retreating with E -> Q.)

It's like when Pantseon was "imba" because no one wanted to spend 700 gold on an item that halved his damage output.
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
October 26 2011 18:00 GMT
#2100
I'd love to watch the match between Brees and Loco. Call it the Manlon challenge.
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