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Sabin010
United States1892 Posts
On October 05 2011 02:33 57 Corvette wrote: I think you overestimate a majority of the LoL community This is quite possibly the best advice I've ever heard on here. They switch cause its an imba match up you switch and get that imba match up back. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On October 05 2011 03:40 Mogwai wrote: lolol, I just red his post. seriously dude, if you think that TOURNAMENT picks are influence by getting a free skin from a magazine... lolololol. You reded all over that post hard. Btw starting today I will become the WRA of twitch. Watch out 4 me on high elo streams kk. That is, if I don't lose all my Elo. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
Option 1: PD + BT (takes up 2 item slots) 5845g 100AD 25% lifesteal 25% crit 55% attack speed 15% movespeed Option 2: I.edge + Zeal + Vamp Scepter (takes up 3 item slots - not good at all if you buy more than 1 dblade) 5475g 80AD 12% lifesteal 35% critical strike 20% attack speed 8% movespeed + I.edge passive Since LW and QSS has to be tossed in there generally, let's just assume those two options are your damage core items and that you won't be getting to i.edge if you build BT and vice versa... Which one looks to be the better core? Option 1 seems to be very fotm right now but is it really any better than option 2? What if green elixir was factored in? What if you have dedicated peelers? What if you have a nunu/nidalee on your team? I'm only saying this because I've been seeing a lot of people auto-building bloodthisters, and I was wondering if that might be a common mistake or if it's really that cookie cutter. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On October 05 2011 03:46 HazMat wrote: You reded all over that post hard. Btw starting today I will become the WRA of twitch. Watch out 4 me on high elo streams kk. That is, if I don't lose all my Elo. Shake getting serious champ ADD like Loci now. Diff champ every week. It's ok though tomorrow I start the path to #1 Xerath status, here's hoping he's not just blatantly OP and banned/picked all the time so I don't get to play =[ | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
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STS17
United States1817 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
In my mind, IE is the roflstomp choice, where you're way ahead and have no current threat to yourself, you don't need the defensiveness and can get pew pew from IE. Otherwise, in even games and ones that you're behind in, BT is the clear choice. However, yes, I can see using IE. It's enough of a difference where I consider BT the winner, but not enough of one that IE is just "trash". You can build either and probably do fine. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On October 05 2011 03:51 Juicyfruit wrote: Btw, I'd like to discuss two different ranged AD builds that I wish to compare. There's been a high prevalence of bloodthister core builds for a lot of AD carries where previously i.edge was rarely disputed, so I wish to compare them - the currently popular BT + PD combo, and the I.edge with a zeal and a vamp scepter to compliment the stats. + Show Spoiler + Option 1: PD + BT (takes up 2 item slots) 5845g 100AD 25% lifesteal 25% crit 55% attack speed 15% movespeed Option 2: I.edge + Zeal + Vamp Scepter (takes up 3 item slots - not good at all if you buy more than 1 dblade) 5475g 80AD 12% lifesteal 35% critical strike 20% attack speed 8% movespeed + I.edge passive Since LW and QSS has to be tossed in there generally, let's just assume those two options are your damage core items and that you won't be getting to i.edge if you build BT and vice versa... Which one looks to be the better core? Option 1 seems to be very fotm right now but is it really any better than option 2? What if green elixir was factored in? What if you have dedicated? What if you have a nunu/nidalee on your team? I'm only saying this because I've been seeing a lot of people auto-building bloodthisters, and I was wondering if that might be a common mistake or if it's really that cookie cutter. Hm. I'm not a great AD Player but I'll throw my $0.02 in. For the most part, I stick to IE on Trist+Ashe, and go BT on Vayne. (Don't really play other ADs). Me reasoning is that with Trist, you have a AS Steriod on Q so going a heavy crit item synergises well. Thanks to her scaling range and jump, getting lots of lifesteal isn't a heavy priority. With, Ashe, when you're doing the whole roaming around with team phase, you'll be building up that crit chance so you can open the engagement with a guaranteed massive damage crit, and thanks to kiting you can keep critting them. If you do get focused, you're going to explode almost instantly even with lifesteal (Ashe is your stereotypical squishy), so a BT won't help so much mid-game. With these champs, BT feels more like a nice end-game item once you have everything else like Banshee/QSS that lets you not get CC-ed down and explode so you can fight longer. With Vayne, I want raw AD from BT because it it's really tasty with 0.6 AD ratio on Q with 2 sec CD. Also, if you're tying to stick to someone for the 3rd hit proc, I feel really open so lifesteal lets me stick to people longer. Vayne has a really short autoattack range so it just feels safer having more lifesteal to back you up. In lanes or in random ganks, having more raw AD to run off your E feels nice too. Getting your PD faster is also great since more MS+AS feels awesome. | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
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Sabin010
United States1892 Posts
On October 05 2011 03:51 Juicyfruit wrote: Btw, I'd like to discuss two different ranged AD builds that I wish to compare. There's been a high prevalence of bloodthister core builds for a lot of AD carries where previously i.edge was rarely disputed, so I wish to compare them - the currently popular BT + PD combo, and the I.edge with a zeal and a vamp scepter to compliment the stats. Option 1: PD + BT (takes up 2 item slots) 5845g 100AD 25% lifesteal 25% crit 55% attack speed 15% movespeed Option 2: I.edge + Zeal + Vamp Scepter (takes up 3 item slots - not good at all if you buy more than 1 dblade) 5475g 80AD 12% lifesteal 35% critical strike 20% attack speed 8% movespeed + I.edge passive Since LW and QSS has to be tossed in there generally, let's just assume those two options are your damage core items and that you won't be getting to i.edge if you build BT and vice versa... Which one looks to be the better core? Option 1 seems to be very fotm right now but is it really any better than option 2? What if green elixir was factored in? What if you have dedicated? What if you have a nunu/nidalee on your team? I'm only saying this because I've been seeing a lot of people auto-building bloodthisters, and I was wondering if that might be a common mistake or if it's really that cookie cutter. With Ranged+AD/Support being the meta game, I've been starting cloth armour 5 pots as a Ranged AD against any team with a Janna. You build wriggle's for superior sustainability/dragonability then get IE PD and LW | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
I mean, if all your lane opponent starts with cloth armor, I guess it can be nice, but against tougher stuff later on it's just hard to consistently have those stacks up. I'd rather have IE/BT and LW than BC. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 05 2011 04:08 Phrost wrote: I've been favoring the wit's end / bloodrazor combo on ranged ad nowadays since every team I play has atleast 1-2 people going atmogs to ruin my day Problem is no MPen on AD characters, so some of it (lots of it in some cases) gets nullified. Nice on Kog, not great on Cait/Vayne/MF/Ez/Trist/etc. Better to get ArPen and straight damage. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On October 05 2011 03:51 Juicyfruit wrote: BT vs IE Fully stacked BT is quite something obviously, and not something you can rely on too much - if you die you will have to try to get your stacks up from behind and THAT is gonna be a nightmare. Nevertheless, BT(100) PD on lvl 18 cait is something like 410 DPS, IE Zeal 370 DPS, BT(60) PD 330 DPS. No pots, no DBlades (which would be better for IE then BT), typical runes/masteries. BT definitely can keep up with IE for a while. I still dislike the BT PD build. It just doesn't scale very well. IE builds just scale better as the game progresses, and the available item selection plays a role in that: LW adds another bunch of AD (bad for the already AD heavy BT), and crit items are relatively convenient to build as the game goes on. If you started Wriggles, you REALLY should get an IE next. All of that aside: BT PD is WAY too red. Not nearly yellow enough. On October 05 2011 04:13 Requizen wrote: Problem is no MPen on AD characters, so some of it (lots of it in some cases) gets nullified. Nice on Kog, not great on Cait/Vayne/MF/Ez/Trist/etc. Better to get ArPen and straight damage. Not like Kog necessarily has more MPen than other ranged DPS. I run APen on Kog all the time and still get Wit's End. APen has a much bigger impact usually. I'm currently only really playing Cait and Kog (I want to win, sue me). On Cait I go Wriggle's > IE > PD / LW / Wit's most of the time. On Kog it's usually (Wriggle's > ) Wit's > Triforce > whatever. | ||
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UniversalSnip
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Sabin010
United States1892 Posts
On October 05 2011 04:13 Requizen wrote: Problem is no MPen on AD characters, so some of it (lots of it in some cases) gets nullified. Nice on Kog, not great on Cait/Vayne/MF/Ez/Trist/etc. Better to get ArPen and straight damage. Some AD carries do magic damage with their abilities and take Magic pen in the attack masteries. If you're planning on this build I can see dropping crit damage for magic pen working wonders. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 05 2011 04:16 spinesheath wrote: Fully stacked BT is quite something obviously, and not something you can rely on too much - if you die you will have to try to get your stacks up from behind and THAT is gonna be a nightmare. Nevertheless, BT(100) PD on lvl 18 cait is something like 410 DPS, IE Zeal 370 DPS, BT(60) PD 330 DPS. No pots, no DBlades (which would be better for IE then BT), typical runes/masteries. BT definitely can keep up with IE for a while. I still dislike the BT PD build. It just doesn't scale very well. IE builds just scale better as the game progresses, and the available item selection plays a role in that: LW adds another bunch of AD (bad for the already AD heavy BT), and crit items are relatively convenient to build as the game goes on. If you started Wriggles, you REALLY should get an IE next. All of that aside: BT PD is WAY too red. Not nearly yellow enough. In what situations would you get early Wriggles, though? DBlade openers (and maybe 1 more) just seem much stronger. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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JackDino
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