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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
October 04 2011 17:44 GMT
#4261
shoot him whenever he tries to CS and meanwhile hit every single CS on your side.
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Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
October 04 2011 17:46 GMT
#4262
On October 05 2011 02:44 Mogwai wrote:
shoot him whenever he tries to CS and meanwhile hit every single CS on your side.


Sounds like generic Cait strat vs almost any champion in the game ^_^
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 04 2011 17:50 GMT
#4263
On October 05 2011 02:46 Sandster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 02:44 Mogwai wrote:
shoot him whenever he tries to CS and meanwhile hit every single CS on your side.


Sounds like generic Cait strat vs almost any champion in the game ^_^

Lol was thinking the same thing
It's your boy Guzma!
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
October 04 2011 17:50 GMT
#4264
well, yea, I dunno what you're looking for, it's really straight forward.
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Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
October 04 2011 17:54 GMT
#4265
On October 05 2011 01:38 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 01:37 Caphe wrote:
On other news: In celebration of the China National Day, Tencent/Riot decide to give CN server all champions free for 2 days Oct.5 and Oct.6 and all lost forgiven for the same period.
Omg, I am trolling so hard with random every game now :D

Wut. For real? So jelly.


They gave NA access to everything for free at launch for 3 weeks because the store didn't work, lol
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 04 2011 18:00 GMT
#4266
On October 05 2011 02:50 Mogwai wrote:
well, yea, I dunno what you're looking for, it's really straight forward.

Well, I dunno, I feel like I'm not shutting people out enough. Like, if I just poke them when they're going in for CS, it isn't hurting them enough in lane. Yes, I'm denying gold, but until we both go back, it's starting items either way. I'm not denying experience for the most part (unless I like stand in the creepwave to make them get further away), and I'm not doing enough damage to force them to recall. Passive play suits me fine, but I think I can do more.
It's your boy Guzma!
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
October 04 2011 18:02 GMT
#4267
You're probably missing too much of your own cs. If you can get a cs advantage of 2-3 per wave it adds up ridiculously fast.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
October 04 2011 18:04 GMT
#4268
Most times my first 4-5 autos are for champions rather than creeps. If I get an advantage I run past their creeps and auto their bot lane till they both zone themselves. That should be your goal every time you come to lane.
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
October 04 2011 18:04 GMT
#4269
On October 05 2011 03:00 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 02:50 Mogwai wrote:
well, yea, I dunno what you're looking for, it's really straight forward.

Well, I dunno, I feel like I'm not shutting people out enough. Like, if I just poke them when they're going in for CS, it isn't hurting them enough in lane. Yes, I'm denying gold, but until we both go back, it's starting items either way. I'm not denying experience for the most part (unless I like stand in the creepwave to make them get further away), and I'm not doing enough damage to force them to recall. Passive play suits me fine, but I think I can do more.


Put 3 traps before minions spawn slightly ahead of where the 2 minion waves will meet, where you think he'll be to cs. It forces him into awkward spots to cs, so you can attack (possibly with a Q) every time he does. He spends all his mana trying to cs, you spend all your mana harassing. Let lane push as much as possible, so he can't passive farm near tower.

21/0/9 with armor pen reds, and you can choose between AD, armor pen, and health quints. You should out-cs him significantly.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 04 2011 18:11 GMT
#4270
I know this isn't the Cait thread, but too much good insight here, sorry >.<

At what point should I stop using my traps to deny CS and move on to using them to defend? I like to throw one into the river bush to stop potential ganks from that position if my Support isn't getting wards, and early on I also like to put them in the lane bushes to have a safe place from the enemy re positioning.

And while we're on bushes, should I be standing in them often to work with my passive, or not so my support can stay in there without me revealing them?
It's your boy Guzma!
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
October 04 2011 18:18 GMT
#4271
Cait is a great carry. You sit back and just a-move into the fight and stutter step back. If you're about to get exploded your job is to be positioned next to a wall to e over. She doesn't have to put her points into magic pen part of the tree, she has a stun, all be it an unreliable one. Sure vayne gets more raw damage, but come on. Every ad carry brings something else to the table. As for who ever said she can't 1v1 never got exhausted and blown up by a fed cait with a blood thirster and phantom dancer.
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5459 Posts
October 04 2011 18:18 GMT
#4272
On October 04 2011 12:27 HazMat wrote:
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On October 04 2011 12:24 redtooth wrote:
self cast i knew about. smart cast is totally broken wtf.
so newb LOL. no wonder your kat isn't Scarra or Shakedrizzle level.
son i pioneered katarina in high elo.
i held the torch for 2 years when everybody in the world was telling me how bad a hero she is/was.
i broke the glass ceiling for the future generations of one-trick-ponies.
i'm the fucking martin luther king jr, the susan b. anthony, the mahatma ghandi, the galileo galilei, the motherfucking christopher columbus of katarina players.
riding my coattail is fun ain't it?

sincerely,
4ever #1 Kat.
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
October 04 2011 18:21 GMT
#4273
Technically speaking you and your support should just be warding to stop ganks. Traps aren't good substitutes for wards because the enemy has to walk over them for you to see them coming. Most junglers with half a brain will learn the first time that the river bush is a no go. Junglers with a whole brain will just skip the bush entirely from the get go.

Don't worry about your passive early. When you can it's nice to plunk your opponent with it, but you shouldn't sacrifice CS or bush control for it.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
October 04 2011 18:21 GMT
#4274
i'm the fucking martin luther king jr, the susan b. anthony, the mahatma ghandi, the galileo galilei, the motherfucking christopher columbus of katarina players.


WRAx4 es #1
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
October 04 2011 18:26 GMT
#4275
On October 04 2011 12:27 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 12:24 redtooth wrote:
self cast i knew about. smart cast is totally broken wtf.
so newb LOL. no wonder your kat isn't Scarra or Shakedrizzle level.


thank god your kat isn't chokedrizzle level
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
October 04 2011 18:32 GMT
#4276
In regards to Cait mid, I feel she beats a lot of people.

I've seen a Cait go toe-to-toe with a LeBlanc before. Both severely damaged but Cait a bit more hps better farm and pushed the lane fairly well.

I think you do just need to drop your AD carry into mid and just go caster v caster bot. Or you could switch top if the solo is capable of holding their own.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
October 04 2011 18:35 GMT
#4277
On October 05 2011 03:18 redtooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 12:27 HazMat wrote:
On October 04 2011 12:24 redtooth wrote:
self cast i knew about. smart cast is totally broken wtf.
so newb LOL. no wonder your kat isn't Scarra or Shakedrizzle level.
son i pioneered katarina in high elo.
i held the torch for 2 years when everybody in the world was telling me how bad a hero she is/was.
i broke the glass ceiling for the future generations of one-trick-ponies.
i'm the fucking martin luther king jr, the susan b. anthony, the mahatma ghandi, the galileo galilei, the motherfucking christopher columbus of katarina players.
riding my coattail is fun ain't it?

sincerely,
4ever #1 Kat.


You and Furor, hai. :>
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
October 04 2011 18:35 GMT
#4278
On October 05 2011 01:50 AwayFromLife wrote:
Whatever, I guess I'm just playing the wrong champion. I just think so many people jumped on the Cait bandwagon when that magazine came out and they used her in some tournaments, but imo she still pales in comparison to most AD carries in every aspect of the game but laning. Being strong in the first 10-15 minutes doesn't make up for her lacking elsewhere. But I'm out.


I don't think you realize there are a lot of actually good players here...
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 18:53:41
October 04 2011 18:40 GMT
#4279
lolol, I just read his post.

seriously dude, if you think that TOURNAMENT picks are influence by getting a free skin from a magazine... lolololol.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 18:43:56
October 04 2011 18:43 GMT
#4280
On October 05 2011 03:40 Mogwai wrote:
lolol, I just red his post.

seriously dude, if you think that TOURNAMENT picks are influence by getting a free skin from a magazine... lolololol.


Well...
Try this next time: walk through the jungle behind a Cait. SHE CAN'T DO ANYTHING. Trist will jump over you, Ez will E past you or maybe just burst you with his full kit. Vayne/Kog will just kill you. Ashe will stun/slow you and run. Cait will try to bait you into traps you can avoid, then jump away 3 inches with E.


I think that summarizes the types of teams and games he's playing. The game is very different at that elo.
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