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On October 05 2011 01:34 AwayFromLife wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 01:31 Craton wrote:
If cait gets built, she traps up the enemy tower and pokes it down from huge range. If someone steps on the trap, your team kills them. If someone tries to initiate onto her, she just e's to safety and you kill them. Try this next time: walk through the jungle behind a Cait. SHE CAN'T DO ANYTHING. Trist will jump over you, Ez will E past you or maybe just burst you with his full kit. Vayne/Kog will just kill you. Ashe will stun/slow you and run. Cait will try to bait you into traps you can avoid, then jump away 3 inches with E.
So take your 5v1, kill the guy who is horribly out of position, then proceed to continue pushing 5v4.
Pro tip: stand on a trap.
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On October 05 2011 02:00 Noocta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 01:38 MoonBear wrote:On October 05 2011 01:37 Caphe wrote:
On other news: In celebration of the China National Day, Tencent/Riot decide to give CN server all champions free for 2 days Oct.5 and Oct.6 and all lost forgiven for the same period.
Omg, I am trolling so hard with random every game now :D Wut. For real? So jelly. Believe me, no you're not jelly. They did that on UE last year, and it was painfull to play this week end. Games where full of bad twiches ( since he's never free ), and other high price champions who are horrible when played wrong.
Oh and, remember free twitch week? Back when he was considered OP as hell :D
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Not gonna be near as bad as free Yorick week.
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Eh, T_D, I wouldn't consider her the "strongest", I still feel that goes to Kog when backed up with a good team. They're about on the same scale, but if he has a good defender(s), Kog can just wreck people. Cait does much better on her own or with just a support, but an unchecked Kog is kind of a terror. I'd put them above most others, with Trist/Vayne/Ez right behind depending on makeup.
On that note, I feel that with just a few tweaks, Ezreal might be the best AD in the game. A well played one just has so much burst and his passive steroid is great. Plus, global ult so satisfying~~~
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On October 05 2011 01:38 MoonBear wrote:
Out of curiosity, I searched up AD ratios on carries. Of course, the use of their skill is not included. This is more just for reference purposes.
Champs have more scaling than just their AD ratios on abilities.
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Free Teemo week: stealth in lane, miss entire minion wave, fail your gank, go back to stealth. Repeat.
EDIT: I will say one of my most satisfying experiences in the game was free Shaco week, when a shaco ran into our tri bush and was there for 20+ seconds with boxes. We saw him go in, I land a pantheon ult on his face without him seeing the circle, the impact kills the boxes, and I 2 shot him.
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On October 05 2011 02:00 Noocta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 01:38 MoonBear wrote:On October 05 2011 01:37 Caphe wrote:
On other news: In celebration of the China National Day, Tencent/Riot decide to give CN server all champions free for 2 days Oct.5 and Oct.6 and all lost forgiven for the same period.
Omg, I am trolling so hard with random every game now :D Wut. For real? So jelly. Believe me, no you're not jelly. They did that on UE last year, and it was painfull to play this week end. Games where full of bad twiches ( since he's never free ), and other high price champions who are horrible when played wrong.
The first thing I thought when I saw the free champion week thing was "I bet I'd be playing Twitch." Hahaha.
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Kog is probably the best carry right now but like I said before, he's one of the ADs that likes to stand still and melt faces. In the line, he's very team dependent. Your team wants to protect him so he can spit on people.
Cait on the other hand is slightly more defensively orientated. She can be the most team independent because of her snares and slows.
Main point is not to play all the AD in the same style.
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On October 05 2011 02:02 Slaughter wrote:
Speaking of Cait being a bitch to lane vs....I just had to lane vs her in mid as Karthus and that didn't go to well for me lol. Usually she doesn't give me THAT many problems but this time i was slow and let her poke the fuck out of me >.> and once she killed me she rofl owned my cs score and Blah early on I could poke her a decent amount but man auto attack long ass range hurts so much.
Try playing kassa against cait T_T
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On October 05 2011 02:17 NeoIllusions wrote:
Kog is probably the best carry right now but like I said before, he's one of the ADs that likes to stand still and melt faces. In the line, he's very team dependent. Your team wants to protect him so he can spit on people.
Cait on the other hand is slightly more defensively orientated. She can be the most team independent because of her snares and slows.
Main point is not to play all the AD in the same style.
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Basically you build a team around Kog, whereas Cait complements any strong team because she has no real weaknesses. 1st pick Cait is incredibly common since it doesn't give away anything about your team comp (although if you don't pick Taric then be prepared for pain), but a 1st pick Kog gives a lot of info.
On October 05 2011 02:19 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 02:02 Slaughter wrote:
Speaking of Cait being a bitch to lane vs....I just had to lane vs her in mid as Karthus and that didn't go to well for me lol. Usually she doesn't give me THAT many problems but this time i was slow and let her poke the fuck out of me >.> and once she killed me she rofl owned my cs score and Blah early on I could poke her a decent amount but man auto attack long ass range hurts so much. Try playing kassa against cait T_T
lol I thought the exact same thing when I read that.
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On October 05 2011 02:19 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 02:02 Slaughter wrote:
Speaking of Cait being a bitch to lane vs....I just had to lane vs her in mid as Karthus and that didn't go to well for me lol. Usually she doesn't give me THAT many problems but this time i was slow and let her poke the fuck out of me >.> and once she killed me she rofl owned my cs score and Blah early on I could poke her a decent amount but man auto attack long ass range hurts so much. Try playing kassa against cait T_T
You don't. If you are playying Kass, and they have cait mid, (assuming your team is the current meta lane wise support/ad bot) just switch with your AD bot. Let AD deal with AD and you deal with whatever they put bot
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On October 05 2011 02:20 57 Corvette wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 02:19 JackDino wrote:On October 05 2011 02:02 Slaughter wrote:
Speaking of Cait being a bitch to lane vs....I just had to lane vs her in mid as Karthus and that didn't go to well for me lol. Usually she doesn't give me THAT many problems but this time i was slow and let her poke the fuck out of me >.> and once she killed me she rofl owned my cs score and Blah early on I could poke her a decent amount but man auto attack long ass range hurts so much. Try playing kassa against cait T_T You don't. If you are playying Kass, and they have cait mid, (assuming your team is the current meta lane wise support/ad bot) just switch with your AD bot. Let AD deal with AD and you deal with whatever they put bot
You just silence that bitch and it's all ok.
On a serious note, thoughts about maxing E over Q on kassa vs morg? Use Q to bait black shield, E when black shield is gone for dmg. Or would she just heal up everything? She can't save black shield for force pulse either because then you can just force pulse when silenced(assuming it's up).
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On October 05 2011 02:25 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 02:20 57 Corvette wrote:On October 05 2011 02:19 JackDino wrote:On October 05 2011 02:02 Slaughter wrote:
Speaking of Cait being a bitch to lane vs....I just had to lane vs her in mid as Karthus and that didn't go to well for me lol. Usually she doesn't give me THAT many problems but this time i was slow and let her poke the fuck out of me >.> and once she killed me she rofl owned my cs score and Blah early on I could poke her a decent amount but man auto attack long ass range hurts so much. Try playing kassa against cait T_T You don't. If you are playying Kass, and they have cait mid, (assuming your team is the current meta lane wise support/ad bot) just switch with your AD bot. Let AD deal with AD and you deal with whatever they put bot You just silence that bitch and it's all ok. On a serious note, thoughts about maxing E over Q on kassa vs morg? Use Q to bait black shield, E when black shield is gone for dmg. Or would she just heal up everything? She can't save black shield for force pulse either because then you can just force pulse when silenced(assuming it's up).
What I am thinking is that if you are in a tough lane (kass vs cait mid, Galio vs nasus top), then just switch lanes, I don't see why more people don't do this.
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kus sometimes u get raped even harder by the guy top. kass is one of the easiest champs to counterpick, really terrible fpick material, as utah rages about all the time
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Basically you build a team around Kog, whereas Cait complements any strong team because she has no real weaknesses. 1st pick Cait is incredibly common since it doesn't give away anything about your team comp (although if you don't pick Taric then be prepared for pain), but a 1st pick Kog gives a lot of info.
Great point, and one of my favorite things about solo-queue Cait. You're always good in any team (excepting ones already with AD carries of course), so she's one I can just get a lot of practice with.
I dunno about Cait being hard for Kass. Yes, you can outrange him, but he can deny farm pretty well. I'm always afraid to play aggressively against him because that sphere thing hits so damn hard that I don't really want to get anywhere near him.
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I the enemy has any brains they'll switch too after pushing the wave and denying you the xp during the switch. 
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On October 05 2011 02:32 BlackPaladin wrote:I the enemy has any brains they'll switch too after pushing the wave and denying you the xp during the switch.
I think you overestimate a majority of the LoL community
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On October 05 2011 02:32 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +Basically you build a team around Kog, whereas Cait complements any strong team because she has no real weaknesses. 1st pick Cait is incredibly common since it doesn't give away anything about your team comp (although if you don't pick Taric then be prepared for pain), but a 1st pick Kog gives a lot of info. Great point, and one of my favorite things about solo-queue Cait. You're always good in any team (excepting ones already with AD carries of course), so she's one I can just get a lot of practice with. I dunno about Cait being hard for Kass. Yes, you can outrange him, but he can deny farm pretty well. I'm always afraid to play aggressively against him because that sphere thing hits so damn hard that I don't really want to get anywhere near him.
sorry, but no. cait destroys kass 100% of the time (unless the skill difference between the players is large enough to compensate)
edit: i know for a fact that utah has done a number of tests to try and compensate for this disparity, and managed to do ok vs bruisers with like a full armor page, but couldn't beat ranged ad with any setup. Silence prevents combos, but it doesnt prevent ppl from shooting you in the face.
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On October 05 2011 02:36 barbsq wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 02:32 Requizen wrote:Basically you build a team around Kog, whereas Cait complements any strong team because she has no real weaknesses. 1st pick Cait is incredibly common since it doesn't give away anything about your team comp (although if you don't pick Taric then be prepared for pain), but a 1st pick Kog gives a lot of info. Great point, and one of my favorite things about solo-queue Cait. You're always good in any team (excepting ones already with AD carries of course), so she's one I can just get a lot of practice with. I dunno about Cait being hard for Kass. Yes, you can outrange him, but he can deny farm pretty well. I'm always afraid to play aggressively against him because that sphere thing hits so damn hard that I don't really want to get anywhere near him. sorry, but no. cait destroys kass 100% of the time (unless the skill difference between the players is large enough to compensate) edit: i know for a fact that utah has done a number of tests to try and compensate for this disparity, and managed to do ok vs bruisers with like a full armor page, but couldn't beat ranged ad with any setup. Silence prevents combos, but it doesnt prevent ppl from shooting you in the face.
You can even trade him blow for blow and outdamage him, especially if Kass doesn't run armor runes (who does?) and if you run flat MR or MR/lvl runes (like many AD carries do).
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On October 05 2011 02:36 barbsq wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 02:32 Requizen wrote:Basically you build a team around Kog, whereas Cait complements any strong team because she has no real weaknesses. 1st pick Cait is incredibly common since it doesn't give away anything about your team comp (although if you don't pick Taric then be prepared for pain), but a 1st pick Kog gives a lot of info. Great point, and one of my favorite things about solo-queue Cait. You're always good in any team (excepting ones already with AD carries of course), so she's one I can just get a lot of practice with. I dunno about Cait being hard for Kass. Yes, you can outrange him, but he can deny farm pretty well. I'm always afraid to play aggressively against him because that sphere thing hits so damn hard that I don't really want to get anywhere near him. sorry, but no. cait destroys kass 100% of the time (unless the skill difference between the players is large enough to compensate) edit: i know for a fact that utah has done a number of tests to try and compensate for this disparity, and managed to do ok vs bruisers with like a full armor page, but couldn't beat ranged ad with any setup. Silence prevents combos, but it doesnt prevent ppl from shooting you in the face.
True, I suppose. Should I just be poking at him at every chance he's in range, or only going for it when my passive is procced?
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