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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On September 27 2011 02:55 Mogwai wrote: I think a really big part of being good at this game is just having the swag to make your opponent afraid of you. Hahahahah so true. So much of the game rides on self confidence, which is why ego gets so big and people get really defensive :[ I've never lost to HSGG's Nidalee, trufax. 4-0 IIRC baby. lulul. Hardcounter heroes for the win. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On September 27 2011 02:55 Southlight wrote: Hahah, the old TL ranked 5 team had hell against CLG, because they'd make it look so close, but in reality their whole team was just ahead on farm. So fucking hard to stop Jiji/HSGG from farming. It doesn't look like a lost lane but it's a lost lane, just marginally, and that marginally is enough to tilt the game too heavily in their favor :p and yet we always felt better after losses to CLG than we did after losses to what would now be considered Rock Solid or w/e the fuck they are these days. fucking L0CUST would end the game by 10 minutes vs. us, every time, without fail. | ||
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Southlight
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zulu_nation8
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Southlight
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Brees
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zulu_nation8
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NonY
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On September 27 2011 02:52 arnath wrote: Haha, the things you hear on stream. Hotshot: "Where is Arizona? I don't even know ..." It's not uncommon for foreigners to not know the geography of some of our lesser known states. Calling him out on that is a bit harsh. I'm sure he knows American geography better than the average American knows Canadian geography | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
On September 27 2011 03:02 zulu_nation8 wrote: so when you lane vs someone 1k elo below you is your first instinct to zone and kill him asap or sit back and outlasthit him by as much as possible. latter | ||
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zulu_nation8
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On September 27 2011 03:02 zulu_nation8 wrote: so when you lane vs someone 1k elo below you is your first instinct to zone and kill him asap or sit back and outlasthit him by as much as possible. Depends on hero, player, etc. I have a tendency to play safe, interspersed with insanity moments, so I'll sit there and rack up this ridiculous farm advantage... and then start pissing it away by rofltowerdiving and shit. lol. Because I don't really otherwise see a need in risking my own life to try to rack up a marginal advantage (kill) if I can safely farm. | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
On September 27 2011 03:02 zulu_nation8 wrote: brees i understand YOU won't have a problem then why should anyone else have a problem? Play a character that can blow up a wave with a round of spells, boom elo gap nullified. Gragas, morgana, etC | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On September 27 2011 03:03 Southlight wrote: Depends on hero, player, etc. I have a tendency to play safe, interspersed with insanity moments, so I'll sit there and rack up this ridiculous farm advantage... and then start pissing it away by rofltowerdiving and shit. lol. Because I don't really otherwise see a need in risking my own life to try to rack up a marginal advantage (kill) if I can safely farm. matchups with no overwhelming advantage for either side, since we're talking about AP, morg vs annie. You wouldn't try to auto the other guy at lv1 when he goes to up last hit? | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On September 27 2011 03:04 Brees wrote: then why should anyone else have a problem? Play a character that can blow up a wave with a round of spells, boom elo gap nullified. Gragas, morgana, etC you cant trade waves till later which gives you plenty of time to lose lane. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On September 27 2011 02:55 zulu_nation8 wrote: Stopped reading here. What? You dont know that Annie at level 6 does a lot of damage with her ult? Or that malzahar does the same? Or that Anvia burst potential is much higher if she has you chilled? You give yourself too little credit. You know how the game works, I've seen you play. You know this shit. Now, do you or I know if Tibbers will kill us or just leave us at 100 health while we have enough burst to kill annie in the meantime? Maybe not. But THATS the sort of shit that jiji and regi know that makes them good. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
 ).We had Akali top and Malz mid, Malz decent, Akali clearly good, but struggling against the two of them, low-HP Rumble using bushes and Nasus as a "shield" to not have to back and pressure Akali. So I had to gank a lot, while Vayne and Pantheon... attacked, died, got pushed to their tower, died, pushed then attacked and died... As soon as the pressure was off Akali I ran to them (can't really abandon Aka easily since I jungled Maokai and that was before boots, so quite slow), right in time to see a half-HP Vayne run past Riven to try to take those 80 HP from Anivia with her egg available... once she's dead, I wait for them to get confident and gank for a double kill (thanks to Malz seeing it coming and running to help from mid). Top's pressured again, so I go there. Once Vayne and Panth are 0-5 and I see they pushed all the way to the enemy tower, I ask them to stop pushing so far and Vayne starts leashing at me. Surrender at 20 after an horrendous fight, Vayne/Panth both 0-7, and Vayne blames me for not ganking while me and Akali were discussing when I could leave him or who would need ganks all game long and they never asked nor played safe while I was needed top nor anything. Then I thought back to those last pages. At last that gave me a good laugh. :') | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On September 27 2011 03:01 Brees wrote: the last time i laned against jiji in a tournament game it was top lane, and we had exactly the same farm (within 5 cs) didnt lose the lane until kobe(warwick) came and ulted me under the tower. junglers are the only reason you should ever have a problem in lane really last time I laned vs. voyboy in tournament, I destroyed him and Colbycheeze and Grackis spent the entire cast talking about how it must be because Jarman is OP and it must be a bad matchup for Akali when it was really just because Shake fucked with him early and often and it snowballed. On September 27 2011 03:11 zulu_nation8 wrote: matchups with no overwhelming advantage for either side, since we're talking about AP, morg vs annie. You wouldn't try to auto the other guy at lv1 when he goes to up last hit? Autoing the other guy at lv 1 is different from trying to kill them. It's part of getting a generic lead that you can either try to expand by just last hitting while they play safe or you can balls out and try to kill them. I'm smash, so I try to kill people, but most people will actually just be happy zoning them and getting extra CS. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
That said, if you dedicate yourself to practicing 1v1s you'll get up to a really high level in it fairly fast, I'm almost positive of this. If I grind 500 solo-mid games against Jiji, at the end of it I'm pretty sure I'll be a top notch mid player at least in the 1v1 aspect. If I grind 500 1v1 BW games vs Flash I'll just end up losing confidence. There's a lot of small nuances and judgment in LoL but it's not like 400APM multitasking bullshit. There's just not that much to do when you are 1v1ing. Never give up free hits. Always be ready to trade hits if you insist on getting a creep that you can be punished for getting, and don't screw up the trades by missing skilshots, and make your summoner spells count but don't hold back on using them as soon as there's a big encounter. But at the end of the day, even if you stay even versus a high-caliber player by the end of laning phase, as soon as more factors come into play they'll still steamroll you. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On September 27 2011 03:14 Two_DoWn wrote: What? You dont know that Annie at level 6 does a lot of damage with her ult? Or that malzahar does the same? Or that Anvia burst potential is much higher if she has you chilled? You give yourself too little credit. You know how the game works, I've seen you play. You know this shit. Now, do you or I know if Tibbers will kill us or just leave us at 100 health while we have enough burst to kill annie in the meantime? Maybe not. But THATS the sort of shit that jiji and regi know that makes them good. There are other ways to lose health besides from pure spells, like from getting auto'd, getting hit by tower, attracting creep aggro, etc. I'm sure you've seen the heroes you've just listed get first blood pre level 6 with no help. The lower level you are the squishier you are, damage is proportional, in fact it's often easier to get kills pre 6 no matter who you are just because neutral damage such as creeps and tower are amplified. I can make sure someone, either me or the other laner die pre level 3 every single game if I just start harassing and trading as soon as I get to lane. In fact this is what should happen, imo, with nearly all ranged matchups, meanin when you are playing a ranged hero, if your opponent is significantly lower skill than you. I am confident every good, top player, even people who are perceived as passive will never pass up the opportunity to shit on people with pure mechanics. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On September 27 2011 03:16 Mogwai wrote: last time I laned vs. voyboy in tournament, I destroyed him and Colbycheeze and Grackis spent the entire cast talking about how it must be because Jarman is OP and it must be a bad matchup for Akali when it was really just because Shake fucked with him early and often and it snowballed. Autoing the other guy at lv 1 is different from trying to kill them. It's part of getting a generic lead that you can either try to expand by just last hitting while they play safe or you can balls out and try to kill them. I'm smash, so I try to kill people, but most people will actually just be happy zoning them and getting extra CS. With some champions like brand you can get kills with spells + auto pretty often at or pre level 3. I understand you can't kill people by autoing most of the time. But it's especially important in AP matchups when everyone has ignite. I just don't believe people would not try to zone and go for kill as early and as aggressively as possible vs someone they know is worse. | ||
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