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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
September 03 2011 06:28 GMT
#2321
On September 03 2011 15:24 HazMat wrote:
If you think about it, Heimer should be by far the strongest 3v3 champion out there. brb abusing heimer in 3s.


His Rockets were pretty ridic in previous patches.
Dan, Salce and I used to run Heimer, Kennen, Morg. Real team kite in 3s. You can't really close the gap.
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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
September 03 2011 06:30 GMT
#2322
No jungle?
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
September 03 2011 06:41 GMT
#2323
Troll / dont care at all just a tiny bit too many games
drop into silver *noo*
decide ur better off with gold
decide that morgana is the name of the game
yay gold again

now I can troll normals

on a serious note; do I get a jarmander skin (i know I get this) + champion (dont know if i get this)
In the woods, there lurks..
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
September 03 2011 06:43 GMT
#2324
On September 03 2011 15:30 HazMat wrote:
No jungle?


No, we didn't run a jungle. Kennen top. Morg Heimer bot. I could run around using W to clear jungle around level 5. Would zone bot solo until then and split farm with Dan.

Salce was AD Kennen mind you.
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cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
September 03 2011 06:51 GMT
#2325
There is a TL LoL IRC channel?
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
tobi9999
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1966 Posts
September 03 2011 06:57 GMT
#2326
On September 03 2011 15:41 Iplaythings wrote:
Troll / dont care at all just a tiny bit too many games
drop into silver *noo*
decide ur better off with gold
decide that morgana is the name of the game
yay gold again

now I can troll normals

on a serious note; do I get a jarmander skin (i know I get this) + champion (dont know if i get this)


if you don't have the champ you should get it along with the skin
"tobi is ur iq 9999? cuz i think it might be u so smart wowowow." -Artosis
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 03 2011 06:59 GMT
#2327
On September 03 2011 12:23 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
What can MF do that Caitlyn cannot? It's more of a style preference I suppose, but the only thing MF has that Caityln doesn't have is an attack speed boost. I'd much rather have traps and 90 caliber net than impure shots and rain, and both of their ults are lackluster. Caitlyn's passive is also much stronger imo.

Maybe not if MF still had release Q damage, but I like Caitlyn's harass more.

MF ult is lackluster? As far as those things that you'd "much rather have"--you're comparing apples to oranges. Whether an escape/cc is better than an AS/AD steroid is exremely situational and hard to judge.

MF's problem is that she has the least outs of any AD carry--no escape, low AA range, long ult channel, and poor kiting--and most games are likely to see a hard-to-peel anticarry, as the most popular jungles are Lee Sin, Nocturne, and GP.

This doesn't mean that MF is useless. Against a team that has comparatively weak diving/anticarry power, MF is a fine pick.
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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
September 03 2011 07:01 GMT
#2328
lol with like 3 days to go my 5s elo decayed into silver
FUUUUUUUUU
good thing i got solo gold 8)
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
September 03 2011 07:25 GMT
#2329
Why'd people stop playing Malz, he's so g00d.
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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
September 03 2011 07:49 GMT
#2330
On September 03 2011 15:59 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2011 12:23 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
What can MF do that Caitlyn cannot? It's more of a style preference I suppose, but the only thing MF has that Caityln doesn't have is an attack speed boost. I'd much rather have traps and 90 caliber net than impure shots and rain, and both of their ults are lackluster. Caitlyn's passive is also much stronger imo.

Maybe not if MF still had release Q damage, but I like Caitlyn's harass more.

MF ult is lackluster? As far as those things that you'd "much rather have"--you're comparing apples to oranges. Whether an escape/cc is better than an AS/AD steroid is exremely situational and hard to judge.

MF's problem is that she has the least outs of any AD carry--no escape, low AA range, long ult channel, and poor kiting--and most games are likely to see a hard-to-peel anticarry, as the most popular jungles are Lee Sin, Nocturne, and GP.

This doesn't mean that MF is useless. Against a team that has comparatively weak diving/anticarry power, MF is a fine pick.

The biggest issue with picking MF is that she's completely outshined by every other range carry in every area.

For utility, Ashe is by far the strongest. Laning power goes to Cait. Pure raw dps late game goes to Corki (true damage op). Longest range goes to lvl 18 Tristana. Tank melting goes to Vayne/Kog'maw.

MF simply just doesn't have any area that she's really good at comparatively. There's just no reason to pick her over any other AD carry 'cept Sivir.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-03 07:53:53
September 03 2011 07:52 GMT
#2331
Since it has a poster and a special post and all, reverse annie might be a legendary, no?

MF's W is still a free BF+Recurve @ lvl3.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
sRapers_ValkS
Profile Joined August 2009
United States644 Posts
September 03 2011 07:59 GMT
#2332
Having trouble keeping up with this thread but has this been discussed?:

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1185192

Looks like Season 1 ends and Dominion comes out on the 6th, and Mac client is going then too. I really wish they would just disable dominion on mac client if it won't run rather than shutting it down completely. My client has been great on Summoner's Rift and I don't give that big a damn about Dominion. t.ttttttt gonna have to buy windows 7 and dual boot or something if I want to play this game at all anymore. =[
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-03 08:44:48
September 03 2011 08:43 GMT
#2333
On September 03 2011 15:18 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2011 15:10 Two_DoWn wrote:
On September 03 2011 14:31 shawster wrote:
is lee sin supposed to jungle

is udyr supposed to jungle

is gp supposed to jungle

or would they all be better off top lane

It depends on what you want. ATM udyr is better in lane IMO because there is still no really good way to shut down his farming abilities. Lee Sin on the other hand has a fast jungle and pretty good ganks, and therefore is generally set up well for the jungle.

GP should ALWAYS be in jungle. His ganks are just too strong to waste in top lane.


Udyr top is nerfed hard. I'm going to say he's Jungle only now. He can't sustain with the increased cost of stances.

GP LS are either or. Jungle GP E max first for faster paths and stronger ganks. Lane GP Q max first for lane dominance.

Wat? They nerfed HP/mana return on TMNT not costs ^_^ Haven't played GP in a while, why Q max in lane? IIRC the damage increase was something low like 10 or 15, does it get reduced cd/skill lvl?

On September 03 2011 16:25 HazMat wrote:
Why'd people stop playing Malz, he's so g00d.

Real good i'd say, everytime i play him in coop vs ai i go like 30-0 20 mins into the game!
StuffedTurkey
Profile Joined May 2010
United States859 Posts
September 03 2011 08:44 GMT
#2334
On September 03 2011 15:23 rwrzr wrote:
I don't know about you but I feel that lee sin needs an early gank to get hit jungle going.

whereas GP can just farm to victory

lee sin can jungle super easy imo..although i am a fan of opening minigols directly into a gank. I havent had that gank fail yet.
You can't milk those!
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-03 08:46:39
September 03 2011 08:46 GMT
#2335
On September 03 2011 17:44 StuffedTurkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2011 15:23 rwrzr wrote:
I don't know about you but I feel that lee sin needs an early gank to get hit jungle going.

whereas GP can just farm to victory

lee sin can jungle super easy imo..although i am a fan of opening minigols directly into a gank. I havent had that gank fail yet.

I'm a huge fan of this opening too, especially since if you are on blue-team the enemy support will go to the huge bot brush and enemy dps will hang close to the "gank brush" so you literally cannot miss q since he is so exposed

Tho jungle LS could just stay in jungle forever with 2 points in W
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
September 03 2011 08:46 GMT
#2336
On September 03 2011 17:43 Kaniol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2011 15:18 NeoIllusions wrote:
On September 03 2011 15:10 Two_DoWn wrote:
On September 03 2011 14:31 shawster wrote:
is lee sin supposed to jungle

is udyr supposed to jungle

is gp supposed to jungle

or would they all be better off top lane

It depends on what you want. ATM udyr is better in lane IMO because there is still no really good way to shut down his farming abilities. Lee Sin on the other hand has a fast jungle and pretty good ganks, and therefore is generally set up well for the jungle.

GP should ALWAYS be in jungle. His ganks are just too strong to waste in top lane.


Udyr top is nerfed hard. I'm going to say he's Jungle only now. He can't sustain with the increased cost of stances.

GP LS are either or. Jungle GP E max first for faster paths and stronger ganks. Lane GP Q max first for lane dominance.

Wat? They nerfed HP/mana return on TMNT not costs ^_^ Haven't played GP in a while, why Q max in lane? IIRC the damage increase was something low like 10 or 15, does it get reduced cd/skill lvl?

Show nested quote +
On September 03 2011 16:25 HazMat wrote:
Why'd people stop playing Malz, he's so g00d.

Real good i'd say, everytime i play him in coop vs ai i go like 30-0 20 mins into the game!

The nerfed mana return basically equals increased cost as it takes more hits for the switch into turtle to refund its cost. In other words, if the opposing laner can pressure you into constant stance switches you run a much bigger risk of goign oom than before.
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
September 03 2011 08:48 GMT
#2337
On September 03 2011 17:46 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2011 17:43 Kaniol wrote:
On September 03 2011 15:18 NeoIllusions wrote:
On September 03 2011 15:10 Two_DoWn wrote:
On September 03 2011 14:31 shawster wrote:
is lee sin supposed to jungle

is udyr supposed to jungle

is gp supposed to jungle

or would they all be better off top lane

It depends on what you want. ATM udyr is better in lane IMO because there is still no really good way to shut down his farming abilities. Lee Sin on the other hand has a fast jungle and pretty good ganks, and therefore is generally set up well for the jungle.

GP should ALWAYS be in jungle. His ganks are just too strong to waste in top lane.


Udyr top is nerfed hard. I'm going to say he's Jungle only now. He can't sustain with the increased cost of stances.

GP LS are either or. Jungle GP E max first for faster paths and stronger ganks. Lane GP Q max first for lane dominance.

Wat? They nerfed HP/mana return on TMNT not costs ^_^ Haven't played GP in a while, why Q max in lane? IIRC the damage increase was something low like 10 or 15, does it get reduced cd/skill lvl?

On September 03 2011 16:25 HazMat wrote:
Why'd people stop playing Malz, he's so g00d.

Real good i'd say, everytime i play him in coop vs ai i go like 30-0 20 mins into the game!

The nerfed mana return basically equals increased cost as it takes more hits for the switch into turtle to refund its cost. In other words, if the opposing laner can pressure you into constant stance switches you run a much bigger risk of goign oom than before.

Orly? i was kind of joking, hence the "" and "^_^" (not sure what's the proper phrase in english but i was "arguing about the words used not the overall sense of his sentence")
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
September 03 2011 08:51 GMT
#2338
On September 03 2011 17:48 Kaniol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2011 17:46 Ryuu314 wrote:
On September 03 2011 17:43 Kaniol wrote:
On September 03 2011 15:18 NeoIllusions wrote:
On September 03 2011 15:10 Two_DoWn wrote:
On September 03 2011 14:31 shawster wrote:
is lee sin supposed to jungle

is udyr supposed to jungle

is gp supposed to jungle

or would they all be better off top lane

It depends on what you want. ATM udyr is better in lane IMO because there is still no really good way to shut down his farming abilities. Lee Sin on the other hand has a fast jungle and pretty good ganks, and therefore is generally set up well for the jungle.

GP should ALWAYS be in jungle. His ganks are just too strong to waste in top lane.


Udyr top is nerfed hard. I'm going to say he's Jungle only now. He can't sustain with the increased cost of stances.

GP LS are either or. Jungle GP E max first for faster paths and stronger ganks. Lane GP Q max first for lane dominance.

Wat? They nerfed HP/mana return on TMNT not costs ^_^ Haven't played GP in a while, why Q max in lane? IIRC the damage increase was something low like 10 or 15, does it get reduced cd/skill lvl?

On September 03 2011 16:25 HazMat wrote:
Why'd people stop playing Malz, he's so g00d.

Real good i'd say, everytime i play him in coop vs ai i go like 30-0 20 mins into the game!

The nerfed mana return basically equals increased cost as it takes more hits for the switch into turtle to refund its cost. In other words, if the opposing laner can pressure you into constant stance switches you run a much bigger risk of goign oom than before.

Orly? i was kind of joking, hence the "" and "^_^" (not sure what's the proper phrase in english but i was "arguing about the words used not the overall sense of his sentence")

oh. reading comp fail by me D:
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
September 03 2011 09:08 GMT
#2339
On September 03 2011 16:25 HazMat wrote:
Why'd people stop playing Malz, he's so g00d.

'cause half a dozen champs do what he does better.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-03 09:15:24
September 03 2011 09:15 GMT
#2340
On September 03 2011 18:08 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2011 16:25 HazMat wrote:
Why'd people stop playing Malz, he's so g00d.

'cause half a dozen champs do what he does better.

Lies. No other champion summons voidlings!!!
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