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Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
September 03 2011 13:22 GMT
#2361
On September 03 2011 20:07 Shiv. wrote:
How good is Gragas these days, especially late game? I loved him very much when he was free and I think about getting him.

currently rooting for myself.
Tyrran
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
France777 Posts
September 03 2011 13:22 GMT
#2362
I just created a lvl 1 acc on US, 10 EU in current game :D
Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.
Attakijing
Profile Joined June 2011
United States693 Posts
September 03 2011 13:24 GMT
#2363
On September 03 2011 20:07 Shiv. wrote:
How good is Gragas these days, especially late game? I loved him very much when he was free and I think about getting him.

im a scrub but from what i can tell gragas is just as good as other ap carries until late game and i think hes one of the best at farming because of w. he has better mobility than other carries and his ult has more potential (but is harder to do perfectly), the only problem is only his Q and E do damage and if you build him squish his E is best saved as an escape even though it has a really short cooldown.

colby cheeze says the way to change his bad late game is to build lichbane for e into autoattack. it seems weird to me, but i dont know. i fantasize about building deathfire grasp but i usually have either won or lost the game by 30 minutes. colby builds him glass cannon anyway which is iffy because like i said he only has his ult and q if you need to save his E to escape.

IMO gragas is a really good choice though because he is often underestimated and people don't know how to play against him, he's easy and fun, and to an extent every ap carry becomes less important after 40 minutes except for their cc and gragas has some of the best cc.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
September 03 2011 13:34 GMT
#2364
On September 03 2011 22:16 Attakijing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2011 21:40 r.Evo wrote:
hurrdurr, anyone here got a lvl 30 us account hes not using? Kinda looking for one to smurf when EU fails and to get in some games with US people. Side effect would be you keeping all the IP & you gaining elo on that account for sure as long as it's below 1500.

Mine is like lvl 5 and I just can't get myself to level it up.


Edit: PM would be cool if anyone is interested. The "not being used" part is kinda important, I guess. Can just randomly log on there then from time to time. :S

Edit 2: If anyone has an account around like RIGHT NAOW for a few hours I'd be gratefull forever. :D

i just moved to germany from the US and i'm staying here for a year. do you want my account for that time?


Would be awesome, cheers. <3
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Attakijing
Profile Joined June 2011
United States693 Posts
September 03 2011 13:34 GMT
#2365
ok sent
Attakijing
Profile Joined June 2011
United States693 Posts
September 03 2011 13:56 GMT
#2366
holy fuck the last three games on my smurf (level 10) i have picked ashe and called mid and then another guy picks karthus after i lock in and says "no, i'm mid." the last three games in a row. (i dodged all 3 and now i can't play)
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
September 03 2011 14:02 GMT
#2367
On September 03 2011 22:56 Attakijing wrote:
holy fuck the last three games on my smurf (level 10) i have picked ashe and called mid and then another guy picks karthus after i lock in and says "no, i'm mid." the last three games in a row. (i dodged all 3 and now i can't play)

The joy to play soloq normals at low levels. I almost only play premades with friends to lvl up, 'cause if it's not a shitty comp, there is always at least one player (per team!) to disconnect on every game.
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
Attakijing
Profile Joined June 2011
United States693 Posts
September 03 2011 14:05 GMT
#2368
On September 03 2011 23:02 -Zoda- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2011 22:56 Attakijing wrote:
holy fuck the last three games on my smurf (level 10) i have picked ashe and called mid and then another guy picks karthus after i lock in and says "no, i'm mid." the last three games in a row. (i dodged all 3 and now i can't play)

The joy to play soloq normals at low levels. I almost only play premades with friends to lvl up, 'cause if it's not a shitty comp, there is always at least one player (per team!) to disconnect on every game.

i just got in a game with a fortify ignite jungle leona. things are looking up for me
Tisp
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada209 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-03 15:01:25
September 03 2011 14:38 GMT
#2369
http://clgaming.net/live/304-sk-wickd

SK vs AIR on Wickd's stream above. I think this is for IEM Europe but I'm not too sure. I just tuned in. It may just be a scrim.

Soraka, Kennen, Shaco, Ezreal, Renekton (AIR)

vs

Soraka, Kennen, Gangplank, NIdalee, Talon (SK)


EDIT: Looks like it was just a practice game. They have an IEM game coming soon though.
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
September 03 2011 14:40 GMT
#2370
On September 03 2011 23:38 Tisp wrote:
http://clgaming.net/live/304-sk-wickd

SK vs AIR on Wickd's stream above. I think this is for IEM Europe but I'm not too sure. I just tuned in. It may just be a scrim.

Soraka, Kennen, Shaco, Ezreal, Renekton (AIR)

vs

Soraka, Kennen, Gangplank, NIdalee, Talon (SK)



http://www.solomid.net/livestream.php?s=370#2721:oceloteWorld
Ocelote's POV
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-03 15:01:57
September 03 2011 14:59 GMT
#2371
On September 03 2011 16:49 Ryuu314 wrote:
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On September 03 2011 15:59 TheYango wrote:
On September 03 2011 12:23 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
What can MF do that Caitlyn cannot? It's more of a style preference I suppose, but the only thing MF has that Caityln doesn't have is an attack speed boost. I'd much rather have traps and 90 caliber net than impure shots and rain, and both of their ults are lackluster. Caitlyn's passive is also much stronger imo.

Maybe not if MF still had release Q damage, but I like Caitlyn's harass more.

MF ult is lackluster? As far as those things that you'd "much rather have"--you're comparing apples to oranges. Whether an escape/cc is better than an AS/AD steroid is exremely situational and hard to judge.

MF's problem is that she has the least outs of any AD carry--no escape, low AA range, long ult channel, and poor kiting--and most games are likely to see a hard-to-peel anticarry, as the most popular jungles are Lee Sin, Nocturne, and GP.

This doesn't mean that MF is useless. Against a team that has comparatively weak diving/anticarry power, MF is a fine pick.

The biggest issue with picking MF is that she's completely outshined by every other range carry in every area.

For utility, Ashe is by far the strongest. Laning power goes to Cait. Pure raw dps late game goes to Corki (true damage op). Longest range goes to lvl 18 Tristana. Tank melting goes to Vayne/Kog'maw.

MF simply just doesn't have any area that she's really good at comparatively. There's just no reason to pick her over any other AD carry 'cept Sivir.

MF beats Corki on raw AoE damage late-game if she gets to safely channel her ultimate--In order to match the damage of a full Bullet Time + Make it Rain, Corki needs to hit all 7 rockets and channel a full Gatling Gun on the same targets. It's just that getting good ultimates off is extremely hard unless you have a good team to set you up and the enemy team lacks the ability to dive you--and again, the 2nd condition is almost never met.
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Tisp
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada209 Posts
September 03 2011 15:15 GMT
#2372
SK vs RAGE live for NY Qualifier.

SK bans kogma, alistar, lee sin
RAGE bans amumu, nocturne, orianna.

SK picks Morgana/Nasus/Sona/Tristana/Trundle.
RAGE picks Irelia/Cait/Brand/GP/Janna
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-03 15:52:33
September 03 2011 15:49 GMT
#2373
Tristana...maybe there's hope after all!
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
-Kato-
Profile Joined June 2010
Spain1146 Posts
September 03 2011 15:52 GMT
#2374
Ocelote destroying with Morgana, Wickd just farming Q... game was over quickly. Candy quadra at the end too.

On September 04 2011 00:49 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Tristana...maybe there's hope after all!


What do you mean?
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
September 03 2011 15:54 GMT
#2375
We were just talking about how nobody plays Trist or MF and somebody picks Trist :0
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-03 15:57:42
September 03 2011 15:56 GMT
#2376
On September 03 2011 23:59 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2011 16:49 Ryuu314 wrote:
On September 03 2011 15:59 TheYango wrote:
On September 03 2011 12:23 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
What can MF do that Caitlyn cannot? It's more of a style preference I suppose, but the only thing MF has that Caityln doesn't have is an attack speed boost. I'd much rather have traps and 90 caliber net than impure shots and rain, and both of their ults are lackluster. Caitlyn's passive is also much stronger imo.

Maybe not if MF still had release Q damage, but I like Caitlyn's harass more.

MF ult is lackluster? As far as those things that you'd "much rather have"--you're comparing apples to oranges. Whether an escape/cc is better than an AS/AD steroid is exremely situational and hard to judge.

MF's problem is that she has the least outs of any AD carry--no escape, low AA range, long ult channel, and poor kiting--and most games are likely to see a hard-to-peel anticarry, as the most popular jungles are Lee Sin, Nocturne, and GP.

This doesn't mean that MF is useless. Against a team that has comparatively weak diving/anticarry power, MF is a fine pick.

The biggest issue with picking MF is that she's completely outshined by every other range carry in every area.

For utility, Ashe is by far the strongest. Laning power goes to Cait. Pure raw dps late game goes to Corki (true damage op). Longest range goes to lvl 18 Tristana. Tank melting goes to Vayne/Kog'maw.

MF simply just doesn't have any area that she's really good at comparatively. There's just no reason to pick her over any other AD carry 'cept Sivir.

MF beats Corki on raw AoE damage late-game if she gets to safely channel her ultimate--In order to match the damage of a full Bullet Time + Make it Rain, Corki needs to hit all 7 rockets and channel a full Gatling Gun on the same targets. It's just that getting good ultimates off is extremely hard unless you have a good team to set you up and the enemy team lacks the ability to dive you--and again, the 2nd condition is almost never met.


MF is flat out better in a mass AoE situation with amumu or whatever, and also her anti healing and passive means she is the best choice vs kite teams and really strong in lane/

Tristana is being played all the time now. No idea why everyone loves caitlyn so much, just good in lane and hard to fail at, ashe is much better overall.
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
September 03 2011 15:59 GMT
#2377
On September 04 2011 00:54 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
We were just talking about how nobody plays Trist or MF and somebody picks Trist :0

I think CandyPanda said he thinks Sona+Trist is best bot lane in an interview before.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-03 16:04:19
September 03 2011 16:02 GMT
#2378
On September 04 2011 00:54 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
We were just talking about how nobody plays Trist or MF and somebody picks Trist :0

Trist and MF have both been situational picks that have been seen recently. Lots of people just seem to mistake "situational" for "bad".

The fact that team-comps at the top level aren't accommodating for these champs has little to no relevance to solo queue or mid-level arranged 5s, neither of which follow high-level competitive games that closely.
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
September 03 2011 16:19 GMT
#2379
On September 03 2011 20:37 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2011 20:16 StuffedTurkey wrote:
On September 03 2011 19:50 Craton wrote:
On September 03 2011 18:53 HazMat wrote:
On September 03 2011 18:08 Craton wrote:
On September 03 2011 16:25 HazMat wrote:
Why'd people stop playing Malz, he's so g00d.

'cause half a dozen champs do what he does better.

List the champs and what they do better.

Any of the strong ap mids right now do a better job at blowing the enemy team up and doing so safely. Malz's "role" was the anti-tank, but with how heavily w and r got nerfed, there isn't much gain over malz comboing a tank versus any other ap doing the same amount of damage with their combo.

Feel free to check my ranked stats with Malz. He's below average
.

feel free to check my ranked stats with malz too. He hasn't given me a free 90+% winrate for nothing

The point is that Malz used to be great and a bit too strong. Now he's just outclassed by a lot of other AP champs. He can still win (aka not trash tier), but there's no reason to pick Malz over the many other AP carries.


I wouldn't say there's no reason. The problem is that he counters the tanky dps meta which no longer exists.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
September 03 2011 16:25 GMT
#2380
I'm 1 win away from gold, and i'm afraid of playing any more ranks :/
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