• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:12
CEST 16:12
KST 23:12
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4)3TL.net Map Contest #21 - Finalists4Team TLMC #5: Vote to Decide Ladder Maps!0[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Mile High15Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments2
Community News
herO joins T121Artosis vs Ret Showmatch30Classic wins RSL Revival Season 22Weekly Cups (Sept 15-21): herO Goes For Four2SC2 5.0.15 PTR Patch Notes + Sept 22nd update290
StarCraft 2
General
Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4) herO joins T1 Storm change is a essentially a strict buff on PTR SC2 5.0.15 PTR Patch Notes + Sept 22nd update SHIN's Feedback to Current PTR (9/24/2025)
Tourneys
Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 19 Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Prome's Evo #1 - Solar vs Classic (SC: Evo)
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 492 Get Out More Mutation # 491 Night Drive Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense
Brood War
General
ASL20 General Discussion Artosis vs Ret Showmatch SC uni coach streams logging into betting site BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ StarCraft 1 Beta Test (Video)
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro8 Day 2 [ASL20] Ro8 Day 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Liquipedia App: Now Covering SC2 and Brood War! Path of Exile Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Big Programming Thread Trading/Investing Thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final
Blogs
[AI] Sorry, Chill, My Bad :…
Peanutsc
Try to reverse getting fired …
Garnet
[ASL20] Players bad at pi…
pullarius1
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 755 users

[Patch 1.0.0.123: Skarner] General Discussion - Page 101

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 99 100 101 102 103 112 Next
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
August 22 2011 19:55 GMT
#2001
On August 23 2011 04:48 HyperionDreamer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2011 03:17 Mogwai wrote:
Karma's level 6 is stronger than Orianna and Annie's. Honestly, I don't understand the Orianna boners people have in lane. I played her in lane this one time and she just felt like a shittier version of Karma (I'm not even kidding at all). LeBlanc has the stupidest level 6 though IMHO.

anyway, yes, I rage at tibbers, but it's just because he lasts like, fucking 45 seconds and you can't kill him without taking twelve hundred thousand damage at level 6 when Annie has negative 50 AP (let's not even talk about trying to kill that fucker when Annie is level 16 and has positive AP...).

I don't really see Karma's level 6 as a huge burst in damage or anything though. Your e and q will be both at level 3, but her mantra gather time isn't reduced until level 7... The reason people love/hate orianna is because she can win basically any lane. Against heroes that you need to keep a distance from (malz, brand, etc) you can just harass them with Q+W and use your huge effective range to cs, and against heroes like irelia and kat and stuff that was already mentioned, you can just farm from long range, push the lane to the tower so they miss out on cs, and use EW to protect yourself....

Plus her late game is ridiculously strong, QRW wins entire teamfights if you get a good one.

She still just has a bigger, more reliable damage swing from her abilities than most other AP solos and it's way more sustainable than anything that relies on an ult.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
HyperionDreamer
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada1528 Posts
August 22 2011 20:02 GMT
#2002
Oh yeah, karma's 6 is still real strong, but there's no "insta-gib from 80% hp wtf lolol combo" that a lot of other ap solo's have. Read: brand, annie, orianna, leblanc.

This is why I hope they buff karma like they said, so we can stomp solo queue with her haha... I already play her a lot in arranged games, but not in solo queue since people won't give you a solo lane and instead make you play support.
BW4life! Jaedong ~ Savior ~ Shine ; "drowning sorrows in late night infomercials" - bnYsooch
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
August 22 2011 20:05 GMT
#2003
yea, instead she does that at level 3, while also countering their strongest nuke retaliation with her shield.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
August 22 2011 20:16 GMT
#2004
Ya, Im with smash. Ive been playing around with karma on a smurf, and even w/o ap runes she is an absolute beast. If only they would fix the mantra-flash bug. Not playing her until they do.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
HyperionDreamer
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada1528 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-22 20:23:47
August 22 2011 20:23 GMT
#2005
What's the mantra flash bug? I'm guessing it has something to do with flash.... and mantra.
BW4life! Jaedong ~ Savior ~ Shine ; "drowning sorrows in late night infomercials" - bnYsooch
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 22 2011 20:25 GMT
#2006
Mantra-Flash-spell makes Flash consume the Mantra. So use Flash-Mantra-spell instead.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
August 22 2011 20:27 GMT
#2007
Mantra-Flash was reported to Riot. Fix might be in next patch since I reported it at the start of the patch cycle. But no guarantees.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
August 22 2011 20:36 GMT
#2008
Me and Turkey were rolling AP nasus like, a year ago; you guys are way late to the party being seduced by the new spirit fire. It's not even that he destroys other champs(he does) but he obliterates buildings. Q+Lichbane proc taking out half a towers health, 2 shot inhibs npnp.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Orpheos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1663 Posts
August 22 2011 20:45 GMT
#2009
does nasus' ult slow with rylais? how large is his ult radius anyways? I never bothered to check. i would just press R when fighting >_< derp
GranDim
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Canada1214 Posts
August 22 2011 20:54 GMT
#2010
On August 23 2011 05:25 Alaric wrote:
Mantra-Flash-spell makes Flash consume the Mantra. So use Flash-Mantra-spell instead.


Flash mantra should give flash its beta range
zalz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Netherlands3704 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-22 21:07:06
August 22 2011 21:00 GMT
#2011
On August 23 2011 05:45 Orpheos wrote:
does nasus' ult slow with rylais? how large is his ult radius anyways? I never bothered to check. i would just press R when fighting >_< derp


It's an AoE so it dishes a reduced slow wich isn't really worth bothering with.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
August 22 2011 21:07 GMT
#2012
Am I the only person on this site that thinks Karma blows? She feels like a gimmicky solo laner with awful scaling.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
HyperionDreamer
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada1528 Posts
August 22 2011 21:09 GMT
#2013
Haz, karma's friggin beastmode. =D

No seriously, she can win any lane cause of her ridiculous range and how she can kill a whole wave of creeps with EQ around level 6... Most abusive teamcomp with Karma is anything that includes singed. To start teamfight, leash singed for 550 movespeed with singed ulti. When he's in the middle of everyone, mantra shield him for 700 damage and the same in an aoe nuke... Profit.
BW4life! Jaedong ~ Savior ~ Shine ; "drowning sorrows in late night infomercials" - bnYsooch
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
August 22 2011 21:16 GMT
#2014
her scaling's pretty good IMHO. she's like AP Sion except her shield is castable on friends and always does damage, but doesn't scale quite as well, but her other 2 nukes are AoE anyway, so she does way more AoE damage anyway, but she doesn't have a 1.5 second stun or crazy HP gains from farming and instead just has way more utility.

she still manages to suck somehow though.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
August 22 2011 21:20 GMT
#2015
On August 23 2011 06:07 HazMat wrote:
Am I the only person on this site that thinks Karma blows? She feels like a gimmicky solo laner with awful scaling.

Shhh, Smash will crucify you for these words!

Honestly for me she always seemed to be the champion with worse version of Sion's shield but i think this thinking might be the reason why i just don't try to look for her good sides (after all comparing 1 skill of 1 champion to 1 skill of the other champ isn't the best way to measure a cha,pion). I just dislike the fact that she has only 1 cc in form of weird slow and i always felt that mantra CD severly limited her teamfighting
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-22 21:59:01
August 22 2011 21:50 GMT
#2016
On August 23 2011 04:10 Haemonculus wrote:
What.

Lux is probably my favorite AP champion right now. Everyone thinks you're just a squishy support bitch, but if you build AP you can instagib anyone. Deathcap/void/morellos on lux = killing machine.

The ratio on Q, E, and R are ridiculous, (like .7 or .8 on all of them). Her W ratio is garbage but you don't bother with that spell until you need to anyway.

She has great ratios on paper, but you have to realize that her Q and E cooldowns are actually way longer than most other AP carries with similar ratios (10+ seconds on both spells, compared to, say, Annie who has a 4 sec CD Q and 8 sec CD W), and that most AP carries with similar cooldowns (e.g. Morgana or Anivia) have 0.9 or better AP ratios on those spells.

On August 23 2011 06:07 HazMat wrote:
Am I the only person on this site that thinks Karma blows? She feels like a gimmicky solo laner with awful scaling.

TBH I think her scaling is fine. If I were to point out 2 things that bother me about Karma, they'd be:

1) Her base values--all 3 spells are scaled such that you need 6 ranks to get the 5th rank effect of another champ's spells (e.g. her shield's shield values at rank 6 match up to the rank 5 values of Sion or Janna's shields). This is fine lategame but somewhat bothersome midgame.

2) Her W. It feels so terrible compared to pretty much any other MS-modifying spell in the game. Ori's W, for example--better MS modifier and CD than even rank 6 of Karma's W at rank 1, less unwieldy AoE to use in teamfights.
Moderator
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-22 22:12:42
August 22 2011 22:12 GMT
#2017
IMO she would be borderline op if they just gave her 1 more mantra stack. No telling how many times Ive been in a battle, re, rq to save someone, then see someone low and just think SHIT.

That and her w should damage the person she leashes it too.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Odds
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada1188 Posts
August 22 2011 22:19 GMT
#2018
At Loci's very specific urging not to play Leblanc with ms% quints, I've played some Leblanc with ms% quints and it feels pretty damn strong as you can position better without having to waste W, so you can actually use the fucking spell offensively.


Being able to just walk up to people and EQWR is pretty trololo too.
Odds.633, AM. Plat level currently. Would love more practice partners, add me, let's play!
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
August 22 2011 22:20 GMT
#2019
I love you odds.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-22 22:54:47
August 22 2011 22:49 GMT
#2020
On August 23 2011 07:19 Odds wrote:
At Loci's very specific urging not to play Leblanc with ms% quints, I've played some Leblanc with ms% quints and it feels pretty damn strong as you can position better without having to waste W, so you can actually use the fucking spell offensively.


Being able to just walk up to people and EQWR is pretty trololo too.


Wouldn't it be eqrw?
Unless you're randomly deciding to w in on them, then "w" again (using r) for no reason.
Although most people i know w on top -> eqr w out. It's like "sup, bitch, where'd you hp go?? Oh right, it's gone like me. See ya later."
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Prev 1 99 100 101 102 103 112 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Maestros of the Game
12:00
Offline Playoffs - Top 4
Serral vs herOLIVE!
Clem vs Reynor
RotterdaM2099
ComeBackTV 1749
PiGStarcraft968
IndyStarCraft 323
CosmosSc2 254
Rex205
SteadfastSC194
CranKy Ducklings140
EnkiAlexander 97
IntoTheiNu 57
3DClanTV 0
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 2099
PiGStarcraft968
Lowko423
IndyStarCraft 323
CosmosSc2 254
Rex 205
SteadfastSC 194
UpATreeSC 35
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 10498
Sea 6322
Rain 5101
Horang2 1436
PianO 602
Aegong 231
Last 163
ggaemo 161
ToSsGirL 158
Hyun 126
[ Show more ]
Mind 114
hero 102
Yoon 83
Bonyth 78
Free 75
JYJ72
soO 60
Movie 50
Sacsri 37
Killer 26
Shine 26
HiyA 12
scan(afreeca) 11
Rock 10
Dota 2
Gorgc6762
qojqva3009
XcaliburYe421
syndereN175
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King53
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor177
Liquid`Hasu171
Other Games
gofns21650
tarik_tv14911
singsing2124
B2W.Neo1051
DeMusliM408
Hui .185
Happy168
crisheroes124
ArmadaUGS115
QueenE72
NeuroSwarm32
Trikslyr27
EmSc Tv 1
Organizations
Other Games
EmSc Tv 1
StarCraft 2
EmSc2Tv 1
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• intothetv
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2982
• WagamamaTV379
League of Legends
• Nemesis1565
• Jankos467
Other Games
• Shiphtur244
Upcoming Events
[BSL 2025] Weekly
3h 48m
Replay Cast
19h 48m
BSL Team Wars
1d 4h
Team Bonyth vs Team Sziky
BSL
1d 7h
Artosis vs Sziky
Afreeca Starleague
1d 19h
Soma vs BeSt
Wardi Open
1d 20h
OSC
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Bisu vs Larva
LiuLi Cup
3 days
[ Show More ]
OSC
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-09-25
RSL Revival: Season 2
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
Maestros of the Game
EC S1
FERJEE Rush 2025
Birch Cup 2025
DraculaN #2
LanDaLan #3
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

IPSL Winter 2025-26
SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL 21 Team A
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
WardiTV TLMC #15
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
Frag Blocktober 2025
Urban Riga Open #1
ESL Pro League S22
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.