EPTAgainst champs like Kass, you can keep use your shield to absorb their burst until later laning phase and win the exchange.
Champs with really long range abilities like Brand and Malz's Q (to lesser extent) can go at least even vs her.
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Craton
United States17250 Posts
Against champs like Kass, you can keep use your shield to absorb their burst until later laning phase and win the exchange. Champs with really long range abilities like Brand and Malz's Q (to lesser extent) can go at least even vs her. | ||
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LoCicero
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Pooshlmer
United States1001 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On August 23 2011 03:47 LoCicero wrote: AP Nasus is so fun, LOL. At end game I had 600 AP, my E would do 450 damage initial damage and my ult was doing 11% of someone's life every second. My Q in spirit fire (for armor reduction) was hitting for 1000 damage with lichbane, hahahaha. Can't wrap my head around building Nasus AP but I assume he ends up like Mord to a degree. Do you build Spell Vamp? | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On August 23 2011 03:47 LoCicero wrote: AP Nasus is so fun, LOL. At end game I had 600 AP, my E would do 450 damage initial damage and my ult was doing 11% of someone's life every second. My Q in spirit fire (for armor reduction) was hitting for 1000 damage with lichbane, hahahaha. LOL! Obviously Loci was too OP with nasus before the buff so after the buff he has play him AP :x | ||
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Southlight
United States11767 Posts
On August 23 2011 04:02 NeoIllusions wrote: Can't wrap my head around building Nasus AP but I assume he ends up like Mord to a degree. Do you build Spell Vamp? You must have never played with Turkey. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On August 23 2011 03:47 LoCicero wrote: AP Nasus is so fun, LOL. At end game I had 600 AP, my E would do 450 damage initial damage and my ult was doing 11% of someone's life every second. My Q in spirit fire (for armor reduction) was hitting for 1000 damage with lichbane, hahahaha. Kog with 600 AP: R hits for 580 damage every second, W hits for 12% HP, more than once a second. 680 damage each from Q and E. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On August 23 2011 04:02 NeoIllusions wrote: Can't wrap my head around building Nasus AP but I assume he ends up like Mord to a degree. Do you build Spell Vamp? Dyrus just played Gunblade/Sheen hybrid Nasus? Spirit fire hits like a truck now apparently....although I miss the delay in the cast, and that twirling his staff over his head animation. | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
On August 23 2011 02:16 Kaneh wrote: annie has one of the lowest "pure" bursts - tibbers burn+auto is a huge component of annie's damage. the fact that tibber's aura scales with AP also makes her scale much better than advertised. lux's "extra" burst comes from auto attack procs, so she definately isn't as strong as you make her out to be. her ap ratios are balls low, and the cooldowns on her regular spells are pretty bad as well. Her biggest advantage is her range, which allows her to build nothing but squish even if you don't have a reliable team. What. Lux is probably my favorite AP champion right now. Everyone thinks you're just a squishy support bitch, but if you build AP you can instagib anyone. Deathcap/void/morellos on lux = killing machine. The ratio on Q, E, and R are ridiculous, (like .7 or .8 on all of them). Her W ratio is garbage but you don't bother with that spell until you need to anyway. | ||
MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On August 22 2011 20:45 Abenson wrote: Guys, I have enought RP to buy bloodstone taric, but I'm hoping that he'll go on sale sometime later. Is it just wishful thinkin? Or should I wait Skins go on sale approximately 3-5 months after release. Exceptions apply, but on the whole that rule is pretty consistent. On August 22 2011 21:05 Niton wrote: Also, I just realized: There are two champions in the game with natural AP scaling on autoattacks, and both are OP as fuck. Every 4800 Champion has been pretty powerful without the need for additional buffs. Trundle, Jarman, Rumble, etc. On August 23 2011 02:41 BlackPaladin wrote: Did somebody just say Lux has low AP ratios????? Are they playing the same game as me? edit: lol I forgot TL goes by Korean time. I'm 21 in korea, woooooo! Happy Birthday! On August 23 2011 03:47 LoCicero wrote: AP Nasus is so fun, LOL. At end game I had 600 AP, my E would do 450 damage initial damage and my ult was doing 11% of someone's life every second. My Q in spirit fire (for armor reduction) was hitting for 1000 damage with lichbane, hahahaha. AP Nasus sounds a little odd, but I can understand why it might work since with Q you'd be doing lots of hybrid damage. His ult damage caps off at 240/sec which is 6.86% of 3500hp and 10% of 2400hp. What's your build may I ask? I want to try this. ^^ | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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LoCicero
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Imbajoe
United States857 Posts
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
On August 23 2011 04:19 Juicyfruit wrote: I think Lux's W is absurdly strong if you can actually get the full value out of it ._. It can pull a clutch save and such but with a .3 AP ratio and the fact that it only gains 20 base shield per level, you're better off more or less ignoring leveling it imo. | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
On August 23 2011 03:30 Two_DoWn wrote: Not that my vote counts for much, but I have yet to figure out how to dominate a lane as Ori. Her ball makes her damage unreliable, and while the shield is nice to block damage, her other abilities seem to be best suited for farming or semi zoning. Her ult at level 6 is nice, but before then she seems kinda meh to me. she is good against enemies that naturally stay far back or fear you because you can abuse your range and leave the ball in front of you. But against charging enemies like kat, irelia etc that are played properly, she isnt that dominant in lane. But even those cant stop her farm, so she will kill everything later regardless, its just more annoying to lane vs a good kat for example. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
On August 23 2011 04:26 Haemonculus wrote: It can pull a clutch save and such but with a .3 AP ratio and the fact that it only gains 20 base shield per level, you're better off more or less ignoring leveling it imo. By full value I mean getting the shield bounce twice on a few target, which generally means using it on your team while they're in the middle of being nuked by an AoE-fest. At least I THINK that's how lux's shield works. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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crate
United States2474 Posts
On August 23 2011 04:37 Juicyfruit wrote: By full value I mean getting the shield bounce twice on a few target, which generally means using it on your team while they're in the middle of being nuked by an AoE-fest. At least I THINK that's how lux's shield works. In a perfect situation with 200 AP you can potentially shield up to about 2300 damage (10 x 230), which is pretty much a zero-AP level 3 Soraka ultimate. The problem is realistically you don't tend to get situations where you can do that so W is at best unreliable. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
On August 23 2011 04:39 crate wrote: In a perfect situation with 200 AP you can potentially shield up to about 2300 damage (10 x 230), which is pretty much a zero-AP level 3 Soraka ultimate. The problem is realistically you don't tend to get situations where you can do that so W is at best unreliable. Yeah but it's like a bonus on top of all that other crap she does >.> My point of view is that Lux has the "potential" damage mitigation of a soraka ult as a skill that is generally considered her worst skill and worthless. Due to lux's high cooldown on all her spells, all of her spells have to be placed perfectly. That means to get good mileage of out Lux your snare HAS to hit 2 targets. Your E NEEDS to slow for as long as possible before popping it for damage. Your R has to be tossed out early in the fight, as soon as the veils have been popped so that you can get a second one in for cleanup afterwards. And of course during this whole time you need to present yourself as a POTENTIAL target so that you can actually exert presence over a teamfight if only to make yourself a dummy target (the enemy team need to be able to see you as a potential target, even if you have absolutely no intention of getting hit). Otherwise you are costing your team precious "bulk". | ||
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HyperionDreamer
Canada1528 Posts
On August 23 2011 03:17 Mogwai wrote: Karma's level 6 is stronger than Orianna and Annie's. Honestly, I don't understand the Orianna boners people have in lane. I played her in lane this one time and she just felt like a shittier version of Karma (I'm not even kidding at all). LeBlanc has the stupidest level 6 though IMHO. anyway, yes, I rage at tibbers, but it's just because he lasts like, fucking 45 seconds and you can't kill him without taking twelve hundred thousand damage at level 6 when Annie has negative 50 AP (let's not even talk about trying to kill that fucker when Annie is level 16 and has positive AP...). I don't really see Karma's level 6 as a huge burst in damage or anything though. Your e and q will be both at level 3, but her mantra gather time isn't reduced until level 7... The reason people love/hate orianna is because she can win basically any lane. Against heroes that you need to keep a distance from (malz, brand, etc) you can just harass them with Q+W and use your huge effective range to cs, and against heroes like irelia and kat and stuff that was already mentioned, you can just farm from long range, push the lane to the tower so they miss out on cs, and use EW to protect yourself.... Plus her late game is ridiculously strong, QRW wins entire teamfights if you get a good one. | ||
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