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Valhalla18444 Posts
Hi jerks
so, let's say hypothetically we have a little more manpower around here and we can actually organize things better. TL LoL is pretty lively these days (general discussion thread has over 20k posts rofl), and after talking to some LoL players from the boards I've been thinking that the current setup is kinda restrictive for a number of reasons. I think this game is pretty badass, so I'm looking to make some changes that will create a tidier LoL section that has a little more freedom of discussion than one thread, as well as better access to better maintained resources.
Since this is TeamLiquid, we are going to discuss this to death both here and in the staff forum (not you guys though LOL), so the sooner we have a legitimate plan the sooner we will actually see changes.
If you have any suggestions, or things you'd like to see, please post them here. In the meantime here's some specific things I'd like some feedback on:
1) The general discussion thread. We started this subforum in the first place because the old LoL discussion thread was massive. This is evidently still a problem. How should we fix this? It's not a problem in the BW and SC2 sections because there are separate subforums for discussion, strategy, and tournaments. Do we need something like that here? Is there really enough traffic to warrant it?
2) Champion threads. These are intended to be a resource, but there are a few issues with how they're implemented right now. I think ideally we'd have specific people open specific champion threads and require those threads to be thorough and up-to-date, at least in terms of things like stats and ability changes in patches. How should we deal with champion threads that are posted before champion release? Maybe we need a new champ discussion/speculation thread.
3) Moderation. I've heard a lot of complaints that bad advice isn't policed around here. We can moderate more thoroughly, even recruit additional LoL playing people to moderate champion threads and police bad advice, but we justify doing so in the BW and SC2 strategy sections because there's a constant flow of contribution, and a structure that makes it readable. Basically I want to know how seriously you want TL to take this game.
Ok, GO
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1) the general thread is still pretty massive because it mostly ends up being a random chat/news thread. relevant champion information usually trickles down to the appropriate threads when the time comes. I like being able to just read 1 thread and be like "oh thats a cool random thing i didnt know about"
2) I think there should be some kind of organization with champion threads, probably a restriction on who can start one would be a good idea ( maybe just moderators?)
a new champ thread would be a good idea to cut down on pre-release champion threads that contribute almost nothing.
3) yes please more moderation. I feel it would make it a lot easier to read good advice (maybe like the sc2 forums where some posts are highlighted because they have proven good contributions?)
I'm going out to drink but ill write more later
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1) Its fine because this a much smaller community where you know almost every frequent poster so there obviously is a lot of rather casual chatting. I thing the general discussion thread is actually really good, it's never too offtopic or unproductive and almost always produces some interesting discussions
2) Yea, I think the person who makes a champ threads needs to give an updated and accurate OP or else someone else gets the thread or something. Or you just take some prominent forum members and let them make all the threads.
3) Tbh I think it's fine now, maybe 1-2 mods from this forum to restrict real bad or trolling adivce (unless its obvious sarcasm advice OFC)
tl;dr CHANGE - DO NOT WANT
But of course TL can pick up our LoL team anytime they want <3
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General discussion is really nice currently. Its just usually filled with the simple Q&A, some tournament live reports and simple chit chat. Sc2 is able to handle that with live report threads for tournaments but LoL doesn't have very many and unless its a big event such as Dreamhack there isn't much discussion about it here.
Possible to add a monthly topic such as the sc2 one for theorycrafting and simple questions. Which would eliminate a bit of posts from the general discussion thread.
Updated champion guides would be really important as well. Since that would also eliminate a lot of questions. However finding people to maintain them might be challenging. Though I don't see it being a huge problem. I wouldn't have an issue writing up a few of them.
The moderation isn't much of a problem. However you are slacking on player interviews.
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On another note, the thing with the SC boards is that they are fucking massive. And the bigger a forum gets, the larger the shit percentage gets. This is why it needs such strict moderation and rules. But this forum has a rather small posting community and thus a really good average posting quality when it comes to this game. Making this subforum bigger will inevitably decrease the average posting quality and harsher moderation will be needed. However with how the board is right the methods used for the SC boards really aren't necessary here.
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United States47024 Posts
1) I can't see how a lot of the Gen. Discussion stuff could really move. Most of it is pretty general. I think there have been several attempts at item discussion threads, but most of them didn't really get off the ground. I suppose if people were ok with fast thread turnover, you could probably make short-term threads for LRing streams/small events (e.g. Go4LoLs).
2) I think the big thing with champ threads is that it's pretty hard the way TL is set up to really turn the thread over to someone else--the way this game works, you can't really guarantee that someone's going to be playing the same champ and be as knowledgeable as they can be about them 2-3 months down the road, particularly with hugely shifting champ viability every patch.
3) This one's a touchy issue. I feel overall there should be more moderation, but if you're trying to moderate "bad" advice, you sort of have to be careful drawing the line between what's "bad", and what might have a reasonable logic that's worth discussing, but still ultimately not that good.
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Basically I want to know how seriously you want TL to take this game.
A real sponsored team imo?
But that's a different matter entirely. :D
Honestly as far as the subforums are concerned, I think they work pretty well. When it comes to detailed champion guides/discussion, I'm not sure how much greater they're going to be than what they currently are, since it is always much easier to go to a place like Solomid/League Wiki or *shudder* Mobafire/leaguecraft to get your detailed guides/vids with awesome graphics and pictures and stuff. The current TL guides are great for finding a whole bunch of info/discussion on your fave champ, and often some really good strats/guides, but I don't see them ever being much more than that, even if they are constantly updated, which many of them already are.
It's just the natural limitation of what TL forums are capable of.
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1: General Discussion thread: Fine, it's perfect now except possibly reset the thread every few month if you don't like it being so cluttered.
2: Champion threads are hard to fix without dedicated people making them. There is some useful disucssion but a lot of it is outdated. Quick fix is to get people to fill in any patch note changes since the guide was released in a spoiler and the date the patch was out, that way people don't get utterly confused with posts because they know what patch they were in when they made the post.
3: I guess if somebody gives flat out bad advice usually they'll be someone to shoot it down, never noticed anything that needed moderated at least compared to the sc2 forum where its much, much easier to give bad advice. In LoL a lot of things are situationally good so it's hard to give bad advice for all situations.
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1. I think it's fine. I actually like having a thread that's just random jumbles or whatever is on TL LoL players minds atm lol.
2. Yea, champ thread creators should definitely update. Or they could be like an open wiki thing? I remember barbsq (i think it was) had an idea about making a communal account to make champion threads, which would be accessible by notable members of the TL LoL community. I think that's a good idea.
3. Yea, more moderation to help weed out bad advice could be nice I guess. I dont think it needs to be the extent of the SC threads tho. There are always plenty of high elo players around here ready to pwn some nub's opinions.
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1- I enjoy the GD thread. It ends up turning into long discussions were we can actually come to decent conclusions. The free flowing nature of this definitely helps, especially since lol has a lot of "little" topics rather than 3 main ones (zerg, toss, terran).
2- Champ threads need to be redone. I personally want to kill someone every time a new champ thread is opened either before the champ is even released, or by someone who complies basic information, then asks, "well, how do I play so and so." The gragas thread is a good example of this.
3- Just do a similar system to the SC2 strategy forum. Those of us who are semi intelligent have our posts bolded blue. We also need to compile the guides into a single place. Neo started, but it hasnt been updated in 6 months. That needs to change.
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1) I really like general discussion, the only issue I have with it is that the old info in it is pretty much lost forever. I just flipped to page 317 expecting to find something that should be preserved for the ages... lo and behold, jungle heimer guide by brees. Nobody would have ever seen that jungle heimer guide again, think of what other delicate treasures are in there? We tried to solve this with the liquid lol wiki, didn't really work because it's too separated from the forums.
2) I don't think the OP for a champ thread should have anything special to contribute besides copy paste stats and text from a lol wiki, there's no correlation between somebody starting a thread and knowing the first thing about how to play a champion. If he wants to post a guide he should take the second post in the thread to do so.
3) no opinion on this
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3. Please more moderation about bad advice or just more moderation in general. For the people that offer advice on these forums you have to take with a grain of salt unless you have played with them or know their ELO bracket. Blanket statements and trolling I think have started to arise more than when these forums opened and just makes sifting through the good and bad posts tedious.
Maybe make a new thread for each major patch that comes out? Doesn't really accomplish too much but takes posts out of the general thread and could potentially have more discussion.
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Disagree usnip. I feel the champ threads should be used by a good player to lay out a champion. If someone wants info on a champ, they can get it in the lol wiki. A thread here should involve a guide and discussion based around someone who knows what they are doing with the champ.
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Well, in theory, sure, but the reality is we need threads for the different champs and there is no guarantee we have, say, someone who knows nidalee really well, or a champ that just came out.
I also don't like that people will be incentivized to write a guide just so they can 'own' that champ on the forums or something.
The constant updating these guides would need is also enormously problematic. There are 79 champions, so we would need people who are skilled with and knowledgable about every one of those champs AND are willing to write a lengthy and readable guide and keep it updated. And then we would need one more of those people every two weeks. Otherwise, no discussion threads for those champs.
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1) Yes, a General and a Strategy section would be nice, tournies would go under General.
2) The current threads are fine. A better template in the OP like solomid guides wouldn't hurt. Also should get more good players to start these threads and have them be updated. Lots of champion threads are outdated or still yet to be made.
3) I actually think LoL threads are too heavily moderated especially by mods who don't read this forum. I've not really seen anything ban worthy here.
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On July 12 2011 11:41 zulu_nation8 wrote:
1) Yes, a General and a Strategy section would be fine, tournies would go under General.
2) The current threads are fine. A better template in the OP like solomid guides wouldn't hurt. Also should get more good players to start these threads and have them be updated. Lots of champion threads are outdated or still yet to be made.
3) I actually think LoL threads are too heavily moderated especially by mods who don't read this forum. I've not really seen anything ban worthy here.
I think bly says pretty much what I would've said, only a hell of a lot better.
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On July 12 2011 11:41 zulu_nation8 wrote:
1) Yes, a General and a Strategy section would be fine, tournies would go under General.
2) The current threads are fine. A better template in the OP like solomid guides wouldn't hurt. Also should get more good players to start these threads and have them be updated. Lots of champion threads are outdated or still yet to be made.
3) I actually think LoL threads are too heavily moderated especially by mods who don't read this forum. I've not really seen anything ban worthy here.
I agree with the moderation. I feel like a lot of bans are taken out of context in this subforum.
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1.) I'm not much of a poster, but I can tell you that I enjoy GD thread, and hope you will not hurt the current style too much. As said by many above, the general discussion thread is by far the best. I read it during work(participate rarely if at all. Lurk mode ftw). I won't say it's always the best advice, but it IS entertaining at times. The only idea I can think of is to try to create a new GD thread every time it goes over/around a certain limit. The older thread can be archived somewhere so people are able to see the history/ link relevant older discussion.
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On July 12 2011 11:48 HazMat wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2011 11:41 zulu_nation8 wrote:
1) Yes, a General and a Strategy section would be fine, tournies would go under General.
2) The current threads are fine. A better template in the OP like solomid guides wouldn't hurt. Also should get more good players to start these threads and have them be updated. Lots of champion threads are outdated or still yet to be made.
3) I actually think LoL threads are too heavily moderated especially by mods who don't read this forum. I've not really seen anything ban worthy here. I agree with the moderation. I feel like a lot of bans are taken out of context in this subforum.
i agree with this as well
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