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On July 13 2011 03:26 broz0rs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2011 16:18 IntoTheWow wrote:On July 12 2011 15:45 locodoco wrote:On July 12 2011 13:44 Chrispy wrote:
1. Never give Locodoco moderator powers here. Ever. For the love of all that is holy, just don't do it!
2. Keep the General Discussion thread as that is the heart of our power.
That is all. ur the first on my to-ban list Not to pick on locodoco or Chrispy here, but I think these kind of off-topic jab/sdiscussions needs to go, at least from any thread but the "general / off-topic thread". It's really annoying when reading a champion thread (or basically in any thread searching for information) to have it invaded by off-topic chat between friends. You know each other on LoL, you have each other on your friend list. Poke yourselves there or in the off-topic chat. Here's a quick example I found: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=242821 oh c'mon is this a classical music forum? I can understand thread derailment, but posts that brings shits and giggles for 2 seconds does not merit some type of warning.
I make a point send troll messages to any streamers on my flist, but not everyone streams and because the LoL subforum is such an inviting some individuals feel that need to share the camaraderie and good natured jabs.
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is awesome32278 Posts
On July 13 2011 03:26 broz0rs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2011 16:18 IntoTheWow wrote:On July 12 2011 15:45 locodoco wrote:On July 12 2011 13:44 Chrispy wrote:
1. Never give Locodoco moderator powers here. Ever. For the love of all that is holy, just don't do it!
2. Keep the General Discussion thread as that is the heart of our power.
That is all. ur the first on my to-ban list Not to pick on locodoco or Chrispy here, but I think these kind of off-topic jab/sdiscussions needs to go, at least from any thread but the "general / off-topic thread". It's really annoying when reading a champion thread (or basically in any thread searching for information) to have it invaded by off-topic chat between friends. You know each other on LoL, you have each other on your friend list. Poke yourselves there or in the off-topic chat. Here's a quick example I found: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=242821 oh c'mon is this a classical music forum? I can understand thread derailment, but posts that brings shits and giggles for 2 seconds does not merit some type of warning.
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I'm not saying it merits a warning or not. I'm saying it's frustrating looking for some help and getting your thread derailed. If you read my post carefully you would have seen I said I'm not against jokes, I'm just saying we could keep the lax conversations in the GD topic.
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Agreed.
Also we have champion specific threads which tend to get a lot of traffic during the first few weeks then dies off until the champion gets a nerf/buff and we end up with outdated irrelevant information
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IMO best way to solve that is to have a sticky with every champ and a link to the most recent good build available. That thread can then have requests for updates which will be taken care off in the specific champ thread, updated op, ect.
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i think everything is fine tbh except for one thing
we have champ and strategy-specific guides, and they arent' hard to find
yet every time someone comes in and posts a new topic like "can u help me play fiddle?" instead of just ignoring it, or having a mod close it, there's always 7 people that come in and say "we have champ guides in this forum, do a search for fiddle, but while i'm here, here's how to play fiddle"
it's just a pet peeve of mine imo
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1) I agree with keeping the GD thread the same as it is currently. I'd rather have a single messy thread than a sub-sub forum full of random threads. I prefer a clean forum to read where I know exactly what I'm getting myself into when I click on a thread.
2) I think the "Guides and Builds" thread needs to be updated more regularly as well as the "Read First" thread. Perhaps in the title it should have the last update date so people will know when it's getting outdated.
3) I think the current mods (FS and ITW as well as occasional other TL mods dropping in once in a while) are fine in terms of quality control (as in keeping the garbage posts to a minimum). If we were to "hire" more mods for providing better advice, I would prefer people like Neo or Mogwai to become the sub-fourm mods (basically respected senior members who have previous mod experience and genuinely are nice about giving good advice when they want to). Mods need to be held up to a higher standard than average posters.
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my 2 cents
1) GD thread is fine as is. as someone said earlier, its like a chatroom. contributes a lot to the general liveliness and spirit of this place.
2) I think the one thread per champ idea is... not so great. I think a better way of sorting champ guides would be to have people start a new thread for every new guide, and if its a quality guide, put it into a subforum for vetted guides. that would also help with sorting the bad advice from the good. it also keeps the discussion open but relevant to that particular guide. forget which dota site worked this way, but it seemed to work well.
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is awesome32278 Posts
On July 13 2011 08:29 Kaneh wrote:
my 2 cents
1) GD thread is fine as is. as someone said earlier, its like a chatroom. contributes a lot to the general liveliness and spirit of this place.
2) I think the one thread per champ idea is... not so great. I think a better way of sorting champ guides would be to have people start a new thread for every new guide, and if its a quality guide, put it into a subforum for vetted guides. that would also help with sorting the bad advice from the good. it also keeps the discussion open but relevant to that particular guide. forget which dota site worked this way, but it seemed to work well.
That's would be DotA all stars site.
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On July 12 2011 11:51 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2011 11:48 HazMat wrote:On July 12 2011 11:41 zulu_nation8 wrote:
1) Yes, a General and a Strategy section would be fine, tournies would go under General.
2) The current threads are fine. A better template in the OP like solomid guides wouldn't hurt. Also should get more good players to start these threads and have them be updated. Lots of champion threads are outdated or still yet to be made.
3) I actually think LoL threads are too heavily moderated especially by mods who don't read this forum. I've not really seen anything ban worthy here. I agree with the moderation. I feel like a lot of bans are taken out of context in this subforum. i agree with this as well
LoL should still be held to the standards of Team Liquid, we still represent them, as such any situation where a mod who 'isnt part of the LoL subforum' should still be able to legitimately exercise moderation powers wherever he/she sees fit.
General discussion - dont change it imo, as far as excess flooding, if we get some proper sub-sub-forums (cue inception horn l0l0l) then we can filter out such things as simple question simple answers, tournament stuff and new champ discussions in other threads. I really like the irc feeling and it makes me feel all gushy inside 
Mods - meh, mybe having some LoL specific mods might be nice, but i dont really have a problem with how things are right now. I do like the idea of a specific tag for quality posters like the blue for the sc forums. I'd nominate neo, uta, smash and moonbear for the honor, and there are others who deserve it as well, tho i think my list would get rather long, (and turkey for the Hextech tag huehuehue)
Champ threads really need to be cleaned up. I like the idea of 1 champ 1 discussion thread, and having guides in the op is fine as long as the OP is willing to stay updated for the foreseeable future. LoL specific mods who can continue updating would be good here. A wiki kind of idea might be fine, but its damn hard work, and the last one i feel like didnt have enough traffic to warrant as much work as i was putting into it, tho i might be wrong. Basically as long as we figure something out for cleaning them up ill roll with it, kus its unacceptable for the time being.
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On July 13 2011 03:26 broz0rs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2011 16:18 IntoTheWow wrote:On July 12 2011 15:45 locodoco wrote:On July 12 2011 13:44 Chrispy wrote:
1. Never give Locodoco moderator powers here. Ever. For the love of all that is holy, just don't do it!
2. Keep the General Discussion thread as that is the heart of our power.
That is all. ur the first on my to-ban list Not to pick on locodoco or Chrispy here, but I think these kind of off-topic jab/sdiscussions needs to go, at least from any thread but the "general / off-topic thread". It's really annoying when reading a champion thread (or basically in any thread searching for information) to have it invaded by off-topic chat between friends. You know each other on LoL, you have each other on your friend list. Poke yourselves there or in the off-topic chat. Here's a quick example I found: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=242821 oh c'mon is this a classical music forum? I can understand thread derailment, but posts that brings shits and giggles for 2 seconds does not merit some type of warning.
Total aside, but classical music forums tend to have a very small active userbase and the threads tend to be filled with a lot of users who know each other jabbing at one another LOL xD
Bad example to use :D
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On July 12 2011 16:18 IntoTheWow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2011 15:45 locodoco wrote:On July 12 2011 13:44 Chrispy wrote:
1. Never give Locodoco moderator powers here. Ever. For the love of all that is holy, just don't do it!
2. Keep the General Discussion thread as that is the heart of our power.
That is all. ur the first on my to-ban list Not to pick on locodoco or Chrispy here, but I think these kind of off-topic jab/sdiscussions needs to go, at least from any thread but the "general / off-topic thread". It's really annoying when reading a champion thread (or basically in any thread searching for information) to have it invaded by off-topic chat between friends. You know each other on LoL, you have each other on your friend list. Poke yourselves there or in the off-topic chat. Here's a quick example I found: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=242821
Actually I agree... we should stop banning people in general discussion for references everyone in liquidparty understands, but tighten things up in the rest of the forums. That seems to play to the structure we have right now a lot better than the current setup where GD is a little more loose than the rest of TL, but sometimes randomly not, and the rest of the forum is TL standard, but sometimes randomly things get a pass.
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I want the GD thread to stay. Maybe just call it an Off-Topic LoL thread or something so that people can understand it's a bit more lax and not very focused. I like lurking and I like asking for advice there because I don't want to make new threads for my nooby advice. Plus sometimes I can get fun replies. A sub-forum for general discussion for tournaments, patches, and other stuff would be nice. As well as having a strategy sub-forum for champ threads and general strategy threads.
I don't care how champ threads are handled so long as I can still go to a thread to read about or theorycraft about a champ. Though it'd be nice if the OPs would be more organized. Is there a way to give some of the higher ELO people who know what they're doing some kind of moderation powers in just that sub-forum? It'd be nice to see well maintained OPs for the champ threads, if TL had something like that it'd probably be the place that I link my noob friends to for "how to play this champ" guides.
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i think a "1.x.x Patch Discussion" thread for each new patch would be nice, since each patch affects a few champs and possibly a metagame. that might lower the number of posts in GD, but that could be seen as a good thing or bad thing, good because youll see more organized posting and bad because its less posts and discussion in GD.
and i would love a "CLG stream discussion" or "TSM stream discussion" threads too. i loved watching GSL and TSL and other tourneys while posting with other TLers and there are just so many funny or goofy moments not to share
and would it be possible to set a character requirement for champion guides? its easy to copy and paste a champs ability and say thats a guide, when so much more depth could be contributed
edit: additionally, i think threads should be started moderators or LoL moderators. an "LoL comic collection" would be p nice
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Could we get a sub, sub forum? One that would be just champion threads.
I find many of the champion threads are quite old (and don't appear by default), so you have to extend the recent post date to 30(+) days, so mudding through all the threads ever made is difficult. Conversely, many of those threads are uselessly out of date, so I'm not sure if this is really an issue.
I do want to see champion threads become more restrictive. A lot of them are either troll builds, are out of date, or contain minimal amounts of information. Some basic things every champion thread should include are skill descriptions with the ranges and ratios of each.
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On July 15 2011 08:16 Craton wrote:
Some basic things every champion thread should include are skill descriptions with the ranges and ratios of each.
why?
totally disagree. that's just filler shit. you can look that up on the lol wiki or the lol official website or just play the champion once. seeing "annie's Q has a range of XXX" isn't going to give you a feel for the champion.
IMO the champ guides should be written for people who have tried out the champ and want to get better at them or see a new perspective of them, not for people who want to try them out for the first time
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all I know is I followed gtrsrs recommended build for vayne and 50% of the time people notice and call me names.
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On July 15 2011 12:30 Tadzio wrote:
all I know is I followed gtrsrs recommended build for vayne and 50% of the time people notice and call me names.
That's because E > W 
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On July 15 2011 12:30 Tadzio wrote:
all I know is I followed gtrsrs recommended build for vayne and 50% of the time people notice and call me names.
those names are probably all things like "creative" "entrepreneur" and "savant" right?
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On July 15 2011 12:30 Tadzio wrote:
all I know is I followed gtrsrs recommended build for vayne and 50% of the time people notice and call me names.
generally following gtr's builds are a good way to get people to make fun of you
Anyway I don't really think more moderation is necessary atm. Post quality is generally good, and I find myself coming here a lot to learn about champions. The ONE thing that needs to change is OP quality. Waaaaaay too often when a new champ comes out some asshole just takes it upon himself to make a thread, list their skills, make up an item build and then never touch the thing again.
If possible, threads such as these need to be deleted before they become *the* thread for that champ, or only certain people should be allowed to start (and maintain!) champ threads.
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