EPTsheen+cleaver,triforce,ie+zeal+zeal,bloodrazor+witsend
[Discussion] Patch Notes - Page 92
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locodoco
Korea (South)1615 Posts
sheen+cleaver,triforce,ie+zeal+zeal,bloodrazor+witsend | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
 RIP anti mana wick! Gonna play poppy to have a wall battle against vayne.. | ||
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-Kato-
Spain1146 Posts
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On May 10 2011 18:18 locodoco wrote: theres so much item builds i wanna try sheen+cleaver,triforce,ie+zeal+zeal,bloodrazor+witsend So all you're looking forward to is max AS / burst to get them sheen- & silver bullet procs asap? =D Don't get the BR + Wits combo idea on her though. Also, discuss: "Cloak & Dagger item" +20% Attack Speed +20% Critical Strike Chance +25 Tenacity Imo this could be the item to get instead of BVeil on AD carries vs teams with few hard-cc. The crit % is so great after IE and AS won't hurt. | ||
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
Typically ranged carries forego mercs to get AS boots because the first AS boost is the most crucial, next the stat suffers diminishing returns. However, you can now not build mercs, but still get tenacity from an item that ALSO gives attack speed. So what boots are you supposed to get then? C&D kinda gives both the benefits of mercs and zerks and still looks pretty slot-inefficient for a late-game carry since you will have boots anyway. However, I might be underestimating the benefits of Boots of Swiftness on ranged AD. Swifts with C&D seems to make perfect sense, even though it's 2 item slots neither of which gives raw damage or raw mitigation. I dunno really. Crit is useless when you don't have much AD or even your IE, AS is not that good without the same items. Tenacity is wonderful, but BVeil kinda makes you bulkier aside from giving it's unique passive. | ||
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Aurdon
United States2007 Posts
On May 10 2011 20:07 BluzMan wrote: This item doesn't make much sense at the first glance. Typically ranged carries forego mercs to get AS boots because the first AS boost is the most crucial, next the stat suffers diminishing returns. However, you can now not build mercs, but still get tenacity from an item that ALSO gives attack speed. So what boots are you supposed to get then? C&D kinda gives both the benefits of mercs and zerks and still looks pretty slot-inefficient for a late-game carry since you will have boots anyway. However, I might be underestimating the benefits of Boots of Swiftness on ranged AD. Swifts with C&D seems to make perfect sense, even though it's 2 item slots neither of which gives raw damage or raw mitigation. I dunno really. Crit is useless when you don't have much AD or even your IE, AS is not that good without the same items. Tenacity is wonderful, but BVeil kinda makes you bulkier aside from giving it's unique passive. You could always get Swifties or Mobility if you don't need AS or CC reduction. You can never go too fast. | ||
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
On May 10 2011 20:07 BluzMan wrote: This item doesn't make much sense at the first glance. Typically ranged carries forego mercs to get AS boots because the first AS boost is the most crucial, next the stat suffers diminishing returns. However, you can now not build mercs, but still get tenacity from an item that ALSO gives attack speed. So what boots are you supposed to get then? C&D kinda gives both the benefits of mercs and zerks and still looks pretty slot-inefficient for a late-game carry since you will have boots anyway. However, I might be underestimating the benefits of Boots of Swiftness on ranged AD. Swifts with C&D seems to make perfect sense, even though it's 2 item slots neither of which gives raw damage or raw mitigation. I dunno really. Crit is useless when you don't have much AD or even your IE, AS is not that good without the same items. Tenacity is wonderful, but BVeil kinda makes you bulkier aside from giving it's unique passive. what i dont think so starting situation: you do x dps with normal attacks you buy an item with 50% aspd bonus: you do 1.5 x dps with normal attacks you buy the same item again: you do 2x dps with normal attacks where are the diminishing returns? | ||
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TL Blazeraid
566 Posts
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
On May 10 2011 20:44 freelander wrote: what i dont think so starting situation: you do x dps with normal attacks you buy an item with 50% aspd bonus: you do 1.5 x dps with normal attacks you buy the same item again: you do 2x dps with normal attacks where are the diminishing returns? It doesn't work precisely like that because of per/level ASPD bonus which is afaik additive to the item AS bonuses. Nevetheless, it's not truly diminishing return-like stat, but most of the time base AS at level 18 + zerker bonus is more than enough so that any other stat (AD, crit damage, crit chance) will give you more DPS for it's money than ASPD, that is unless your champion scales with AS explicitly (Kog, Teemo etc). | ||
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
On May 10 2011 20:46 TL Blazeraid wrote: Vayne looks like she's going to consistently dominate pretty much every lane. Where have I Karma fucks her solo opponent very hard afaik. | ||
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rob.au
1087 Posts
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
On May 10 2011 20:53 BluzMan wrote: It doesn't work precisely like that because of per/level ASPD bonus which is afaik additive to the item AS bonuses. Nevetheless, it's not truly diminishing return-like stat, but most of the time base AS at level 18 + zerker bonus is more than enough so that any other stat (AD, crit damage, crit chance) will give you more DPS for it's money than ASPD, that is unless your champion scales with AS explicitly (Kog, Teemo etc). you write a lot don't you | ||
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
Not so sure as of yet when I'd really want C&D. Eleisa's Miracle looks the most interesting, IMO and even Moonflair is more appealing to me than C&D. This is subject to change depending on pricing though. | ||
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
C&D give 2% crit, 5% AS and 25 tenacity for 200 gold. Spellblade gives only 25 tenacity for roughly ~220 gold, the rest of it's upgrade price is 10 extra AP. I don't understand the reasoning behind such pricing unless LoL wiki (leagueoflegends.wikia.com) states incorrect data. Eleisa's Miracle is the strangest of all, tbh. Grading it gives you even more regen (an early game stat) while removing the gold/10 bonus which is what you want to do in the latest stages of the game. But lawl, in what late stage you want an item slot occupied by a purely flat regen item? It's kind of a philosopher's stone that doesn't give you gold which imo is plain pointless. If you grade it in early game, you don't get the passive gold. If you grade it in late game you might as well sell the philo stone and get extra AP or crit from the other two items, since you don't need any regen and they are not really that pricey. It looks complete and utter trash. | ||
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0123456789
United States3216 Posts
And if wits end still gives the bonus atk speed of like 40% then it's OP. better than sotd. | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On May 10 2011 23:57 0123456789 wrote: And if wits end still gives the bonus atk speed of like 40% then it's OP. better than sotd. 40% AS, 30 to 50 MRes, 42 bonus magic damage per hit, 2000g cost (150g cheaper than it used to be). | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
Unless they have CC. At least the super fast 150/150-200/200 resists help anyway. LOL. I get that the 42 damage per hit doesn't improve you're first tiger hit but it's essentially free 42 damage per hit when you have insane attack speed with just level 5 tiger stance and wits end anyway. You near 2 attacks a second VERY fast. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On May 11 2011 04:54 Slaughter wrote: Played a mid vs Vayne and she kinda scares me. Because the player playing her obviously had no clue how she actually worked and was bad but she still was able to have some pretty good moments. She kinda looks like if you really know how to handle her she will rape then melt faces. Hotshot called her trash on stream. He rushed IE, might have to do with that. No huge newbwave incoming which will instabuy Vayne thanks to stream. Ty Hotshot. | ||
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