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On May 10 2011 11:26 Scipaeus121212 wrote:
The change to Jax is fixing a bug (glitch? feature?) they implemented the patch when they changed the jump mechanics. If it affects autoattacks as well though (allows jax to attack quickly after jumping) it could significantly change his viability. can't wait to see what it actually does.
Here's what the fix does: it guarantees that Jax will be able to land a counterstrike after leapstriking to a target.
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United States47024 Posts
Small Cata nerf coupled with HUGE RoA buff?
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On May 10 2011 13:40 TheYango wrote:
Small Cata nerf coupled with HUGE RoA buff?
not small, you can't do your LOLCATAHEALSURPRISE bs anymore
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On May 10 2011 01:31 Unentschieden wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 00:07 Seuss wrote:
The new Tenacity items are interesting, but I'm confused as to why they only gave them 25 Tenacity. 10% CC reduction difference is hard to quantify, but every millisecond can matter in high level fights.
Moonflair Spellblade looks horrible. I can't see any AP caster reasonably considering that option. Cloak and Dagger is at least a dual-scaling item for AD carries, but Merc's + Zeal is comparable in cost and trades 10% crit and Zerker's attack speed for movespeed, tenacity and MR. Eleisa's Miracle gives a monumental 10 mp5 when completed, and strikes me as the most likely to actually be seen in a game. Boots always outperform all alternatives on their "secondary" stats. Mercurys is the best source for Tenacity because Berzerkers are the best for Attackspeed. Spellblade is interesting for casters that pick Spellpen boots over Mercurys.
I disagree that it's interesting for casters that pick Sorc boots. Sorc boots are generally used either for early/mid-game dominance or on casters who can reasonably ignore CC all game long. You won't build Spellblade in the former situation because you're trying to maximize your damage mid-game and are bound to face inventory crunch if it drags out from there. You won't build it in the latter situation for obvious reasons.
The only situation it's really interesting is possibly for supports who take CDR boots but don't use Philosopher's Stones. I'm not aware of any support who currently fits that criteria.
In comparison, Cloak and Dagger fits nicely as a second or third item in an AD carry's build because it amplifies the effectiveness of that first big item. Eleisa's Miracle flows smoothly out of many support builds because they're already grabbing CDR boots and Philosopher's Stones as it is. Spellblade is just awkward.
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So yea...she's a ranged Poppy with less burst but more sustained dps. Awesome.
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On May 10 2011 11:14 myopia wrote:
oh good more Shen nerfs that don't address why people ban him
MATHCRAFT TIME
my typical build's bonus hp includes:
48 masteries
175 runes
270 aegis
450 sunfire
350 randuins
=
1293 bonus health
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1958 health@18
=
3251 max health
old Ki Strike: 100+(3251*3.5%) = 213.8 (SO MUCH DAMAGE, WITH ONLY 8K GOLD IN ITEMS)
new Ki Strike: 95+(1293*8%) = 198.4
I might be tossing the Sunfire out after this nerf too. Where are these items that Shen is supposed to be carrying with? Frozen Mallet? hahaha
Shen isn´t supposed to carry at all. But it makes items that are not as completely defensive (like your list) more attractive. Warmoggs would be one example. "But HP is still defense!" Yeah, but Ki-Strike still scales more with being hit than HP - Shens kit doesn´t work without durability. HP is still defensive however it doesn´t synergise with his W and isn´t as effective as migitation stats.
Personally I´d take Rylais over Mallet.
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You missed my point. Phreak stated in the patch preview that these changes were because Shen was (paraphrase) 'doing too much damage without trying, and can't carry a game if he wants to'. That statement, and these nerfs, I just don't know what to say anymore. Am I even playing the same game as Riot?
Shen now scales more with HP, but they nerfed Sunfire AGAIN, his only real reason to buy giant's belt. I don't like Rylais or Mallet. His only source for CDR was Omen and it gives 5% now. Banshees is a shadow of its former self, leaving Shen's best sources for MR (mercs, aegis, fon) giving little to no HP.
What is Shen supposed to buy?
another thing with the ki strike change: with laoching setup, ki strike deals a grand total of ELEVEN (11) damage at level 1. Think about that.
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On May 10 2011 13:54 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 01:31 Unentschieden wrote:On May 10 2011 00:07 Seuss wrote:
The new Tenacity items are interesting, but I'm confused as to why they only gave them 25 Tenacity. 10% CC reduction difference is hard to quantify, but every millisecond can matter in high level fights.
Moonflair Spellblade looks horrible. I can't see any AP caster reasonably considering that option. Cloak and Dagger is at least a dual-scaling item for AD carries, but Merc's + Zeal is comparable in cost and trades 10% crit and Zerker's attack speed for movespeed, tenacity and MR. Eleisa's Miracle gives a monumental 10 mp5 when completed, and strikes me as the most likely to actually be seen in a game. Boots always outperform all alternatives on their "secondary" stats. Mercurys is the best source for Tenacity because Berzerkers are the best for Attackspeed. Spellblade is interesting for casters that pick Spellpen boots over Mercurys. I disagree that it's interesting for casters that pick Sorc boots. Sorc boots are generally used either for early/mid-game dominance or on casters who can reasonably ignore CC all game long. You won't build Spellblade in the former situation because you're trying to maximize your damage mid-game and are bound to face inventory crunch if it drags out from there. You won't build it in the latter situation for obvious reasons. The only situation it's really interesting is possibly for supports who take CDR boots but don't use Philosopher's Stones. I'm not aware of any support who currently fits that criteria. In comparison, Cloak and Dagger fits nicely as a second or third item in an AD carry's build because it amplifies the effectiveness of that first big item. Eleisa's Miracle flows smoothly out of many support builds because they're already grabbing CDR boots and Philosopher's Stones as it is. Spellblade is just awkward.
@supports who dont get philos, sorakas usually stack kages and don't always get the philos since they have infuse
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On May 10 2011 14:23 myopia wrote:
You missed my point. Phreak stated in the patch preview that these changes were because Shen was (paraphrase) 'doing too much damage without trying, and can't carry a game if he wants to'. That statement, and these nerfs, I just don't know what to say anymore. Am I even playing the same game as Riot?
Shen now scales more with HP, but they nerfed Sunfire AGAIN, his only real reason to buy giant's belt. I don't like Rylais or Mallet. His only source for CDR was Omen and it gives 5% now. Banshees is a shadow of its former self, leaving Shen's best sources for MR (mercs, aegis, fon) giving little to no HP.
What is Shen supposed to buy?
another thing with the ki strike change: with laoching setup, ki strike deals a grand total of ELEVEN (11) damage at level 1. Think about that.
+1
I got really confused when I heard Phreak say they wanted him to carry harder with better farm. I really don't like how they're making these patch previews so misleading. They say something and make you feel like it's a huge buff when in reality nothing was buffed.
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On May 10 2011 14:23 myopia wrote:
You missed my point. Phreak stated in the patch preview that these changes were because Shen was (paraphrase) 'doing too much damage without trying, and can't carry a game if he wants to'. That statement, and these nerfs, I just don't know what to say anymore. Am I even playing the same game as Riot?
Shen now scales more with HP, but they nerfed Sunfire AGAIN, his only real reason to buy giant's belt. I don't like Rylais or Mallet. His only source for CDR was Omen and it gives 5% now. Banshees is a shadow of its former self, leaving Shen's best sources for MR (mercs, aegis, fon) giving little to no HP.
What is Shen supposed to buy?
another thing with the ki strike change: with laoching setup, ki strike deals a grand total of ELEVEN (11) damage at level 1. Think about that.
Supposed to buy: Normally exactly the same stuff, expect he will deal less damage that way. However if you want to sacrifice durability for damage you can get stuff like Rylais / Mallet / Warmoggs / Guise / etc...
It wouldn´t make sense to make him scale with AP or AD since his DPS comes from his Passive which only works if you are durable.
Regarding Ki-strike damage at level 1: do you seriously think Shen wasn´t too good at laning?
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On May 10 2011 14:04 Ryuu314 wrote:So yea...she's a ranged Poppy with less burst but more sustained dps. Awesome.
She seems like another Cait to me, but with even better escape/kiting tools. Sort of like an unholy mix of Ashe and Cait. Super squishy but near impossible to deal with 1v1 and damn near impossible to beat in lane if her damage is as strong as the vid leads me to believe.
I love how in the TT game they played first, one of Phreak's opponents picked Taric knowing that a ranged stun counters her extremely well.
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Two reactions to the champ spotlight:
1) I'm calling Tumble's CD getting nerfed by the next patch. Skill is basically Flash on a 2 second CD, only if it also reset your attack timer.
2) Phreak's item build suggestions continue to be hilarious. Bloodrazor + Last Whisper = #1, mirite?
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On May 10 2011 15:09 arnath wrote:
2) Phreak's item build suggestions continue to be hilarious. Bloodrazor + Last Whisper = #1, mirite?
The builds are really generic and never should be taken fully serious anyway. Competent players know MBR is generally situational. On a ranged carry MBR is a fine choice depending on enemy team comp. You take 21-0-9 anyway so you get the spell pen mastery. Same MPen as going 9-0-21 or 21-0-9 on jungling ww and building MBR + straight tank.....
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On May 10 2011 15:09 arnath wrote:
Two reactions to the champ spotlight:
1) I'm calling Tumble's CD getting nerfed by the next patch. Skill is basically Flash on a 2 second CD, only if it also reset your attack timer.
2) Phreak's item build suggestions continue to be hilarious. Bloodrazor + Last Whisper = #1, mirite?
Apparently you cant go through walls with it. So meh.
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Ranged champs that can use Triforce well are OP. Everyone knows that.
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Russian Federation4235 Posts
Corki - fine, he's OP as hell. Ezreal? Not really. Who else?
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omg vayne looks so kewl~~~~~~~~
since i havent played her yet theres bunch of builds i wanna try out once she gets released
gonna try
21/0/9 and 15/0/15
as for runes,some reason phreak doesnt run manaregen yellows which is pretty weird to me since she's seems very spammy but mb her mana costs are real cheap
starting items ima do boots + 3 x pots
phreak started doran sword in the spotlight but just from looking at her skillset and the vid i can tell u that boot is gonna be a better starting item~
i dont think ive been this excited for a champ release before
:3
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Assuming that the true damage is scaling with 21 offense and considering her superb survivability with Tumble, I would totally go 21 offense.
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