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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
January 30 2011 21:14 GMT
#681
I doubt the changes will kill junglers in solo queue. Most players in low Elo, where the question even matters, aren't coordinated enough to 2v1 in such a way as to counter a jungler. Moreover the nerf to Doran's items and other early game health boosts doesn't affect many junglers who don't use them, and only makes it easier for them to kill their gank targets (who will be affected).
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 30 2011 21:30 GMT
#682
Yeah its a mixed bag. for straight up games with 2 jungles, junglers got a huge buff because now they dont even have to kill the person when ganking, doing damage that wont be regened is enough. As for 2v1 lanes, well, tower hugging is going to be in, and since most junglers dont get health items anyway, their ganks should be relatively stronger compared to this patch, so it could end up benefiting them there too.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Phunkapotamus
Profile Joined April 2010
United States496 Posts
January 30 2011 22:54 GMT
#683
Ok, just to clarify:
They're nerfing mana runes, but buffing base mana regen. People who take mana runes won't see much change at all, right? Meanwhile, your smurfs won't have to go manamune on AD carries to spam shit on noobs. Apparently, a lot of people haven't realized this. Riot should really try and let people know... because the message boards and facebook are freaking out. It's a buff!
"Do a barrel roll"
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 30 2011 22:57 GMT
#684
On January 31 2011 07:54 Phunkapotamus wrote:
Ok, just to clarify:
They're nerfing mana runes, but buffing base mana regen. People who take mana runes won't see much change at all, right? Meanwhile, your smurfs won't have to go manamune on AD carries to spam shit on noobs. Apparently, a lot of people haven't realized this. Riot should really try and let people know... because the message boards and facebook are freaking out. It's a buff!


Yes, this is correct. For 90%+ of the people in LiquidParty, there's not going to be much difference in their mana situation. But those players leveling smurfs, they should have an easier time on their new accounts.
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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
January 30 2011 23:01 GMT
#685
It's a buff to all mana users who didn't take MP5 runes before. Although it kinda depends a bit on how much Meditation is nerfed.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 30 2011 23:05 GMT
#686
On January 31 2011 08:01 spinesheath wrote:
It's a buff to all mana users who didn't take MP5 runes before. Although it kinda depends a bit on how much Meditation is nerfed.


What caster didn't run yellow MP5/Lvl? lol
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-30 23:09:43
January 30 2011 23:09 GMT
#687
On January 31 2011 08:05 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2011 08:01 spinesheath wrote:
It's a buff to all mana users who didn't take MP5 runes before. Although it kinda depends a bit on how much Meditation is nerfed.


What caster didn't run yellow MP5/Lvl? lol

Jiji plays Anivia with HP/lvl seals, and Kassadin/Annie are both playable with defensive options in the seal slot instead of MP5/lvl.
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nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
January 30 2011 23:13 GMT
#688
Teemo no use mp5 before. Buff gg
cool beans
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 30 2011 23:17 GMT
#689
On January 31 2011 08:13 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
Teemo no use mp5 before. Buff gg


Teemo was never limited by mana though. CD was more of a limiting factor.
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Zanzabar Haberdasher
Profile Joined July 2010
United States510 Posts
January 31 2011 01:27 GMT
#690
So they're nerfing HP regen and buffing early game mana..

A huge buff to anyone with a repeated heal? Maybe I'll pick Taric back up.
I have a very unique name.
Odds
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada1188 Posts
January 31 2011 02:16 GMT
#691
On January 31 2011 08:17 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2011 08:13 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
Teemo no use mp5 before. Buff gg


Teemo was never limited by mana though. CD was more of a limiting factor.

Uh, do you play teemo? :<

He's not limited by mana early on, but after 6 it becomes a huge problem for him.
Odds.633, AM. Plat level currently. Would love more practice partners, add me, let's play!
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
January 31 2011 08:13 GMT
#692
On January 31 2011 08:05 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2011 08:01 spinesheath wrote:
It's a buff to all mana users who didn't take MP5 runes before. Although it kinda depends a bit on how much Meditation is nerfed.


What caster didn't run yellow MP5/Lvl? lol

I don't use any MP5/lvl on Janna, Sona, Poppy, Blitz, Eve, Udyr, WW, ...
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 31 2011 08:14 GMT
#693
How do you not run mp5/lvl on sona and not go oom by the time you get to your lane?
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-31 08:25:28
January 31 2011 08:23 GMT
#694
On January 31 2011 17:14 Two_DoWn wrote:
How do you not run mp5/lvl on sona and not go oom by the time you get to your lane?

MP5/lvl runes don't even scale to a meaningful amount of regen until after a few levels--they're not even worth a Doran's Ring's regen until level 5. If anything, the greatest low-level effect comes from the Meditation mastery, not from the runes.
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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
January 31 2011 08:23 GMT
#695
On January 31 2011 17:14 Two_DoWn wrote:
How do you not run mp5/lvl on sona and not go oom by the time you get to your lane?

She works just fine during laning with Meditation and DRing. I use APen/Armor/MRes/HP on her and harrass people out of lane with minimal effort.
I don't really play her anymore though because she is pretty much useless mid/late without Locket.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 31 2011 08:26 GMT
#696
obvi you never played super ap carry sona. Mejaj+deathcap+archangels. Not useless by a long shot.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
January 31 2011 08:28 GMT
#697
On January 31 2011 17:26 Two_DoWn wrote:
obvi you never played super ap carry sona. Mejaj+deathcap+archangels. Not useless by a long shot.

Or just get the same items on any other caster and carry much harder.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 31 2011 08:29 GMT
#698
Pff, can other casters heal for as much as they do damage? I think not.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-31 09:21:04
January 31 2011 09:20 GMT
#699
On January 31 2011 17:29 Two_DoWn wrote:
Pff, can other casters heal for as much as they do damage? I think not.


Nidalee. Kayle. Although they're a bit more hybrid ;p
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
January 31 2011 09:24 GMT
#700
You don't actually want to have your healing on the same champ as your damage: You will just get stunlocked and die without dealing damage OR getting healed.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
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