Destroy my HP quints and defensive tree masteries? Check.

Destroy my mana regen yellows and blues and early utility tree masteries? Check.

Give Pantheon back his stun? Negative.

The dream is dead.

Dgiese

United States2687 Posts

January 30 2011 10:48 GMT

#668

Hmmm I wonder if they'll overlook the holiday quints in the HP quint nerf. Would be pretty cool if those +30HP haloween quints became the best.

Zato-1

Chile4253 Posts

January 30 2011 15:47 GMT

#669

On January 30 2011 19:48 Dgiese wrote:
Hmmm I wonder if they'll overlook the holiday quints in the HP quint nerf. Would be pretty cool if those +30HP haloween quints became the best.

Not a chance.

0123456789

United States3216 Posts

January 30 2011 17:10 GMT

#670

The biggest shit this patch, is the fact that you will have to change up your starting items. Buff to champions that have really good early game dmg like ezreal, corki, teemo, ashe lvl 1, trist, ignite, malphite, one combo from pantheon. Essentially what it comes down to is, if you have strong burst then you can burst down any1 that does not take dorans, and if you take dorans, you can't deal with people that trade hits better. Way to make laning phase more gimped. People with weaker lanes are going to get f'ed up more by this and take a stronger hit in the laning phase. Buff to healers because they can heal in lane and won't have to rely on the no hp pots with dorans change. Vlad buff inc.

barbsq

United States5348 Posts

January 30 2011 17:18 GMT

#671

i agree with numbers, basically the stronger early-game champs just became even stronger and will fuck over weaker ones even harder :/

incoming massive qq over panth and anyone else who can kill you @ lvl 4

also seems like this is a pretty large buff to people like nunu, olaf and trundle who have built in hp regen mechanics, might start seeing them solo a lot more often

BluzMan

Russian Federation4235 Posts

January 30 2011 18:02 GMT

#672

I wonder if they kill junglers in solo Q.

The basis of an 1v2 lane (which is possible in solo Q at least at low ELO) is that lvl 1-2 spells can't really kill you with a few exceptions, and from then on you have a level advantage. With the changes to HP quints and Doran's items many 1v2 lanes will simply cease to exist which might make taking a jungler a disaster. I dunno how that affects the game in general, but it might go bad.

Caller

Poland8075 Posts

January 30 2011 18:11 GMT

#673

all of my champs get indirectly buffed here hurray

misirlou

Portugal3238 Posts

January 30 2011 18:27 GMT

#674

On January 31 2011 03:02 BluzMan wrote:
I wonder if they kill junglers in solo Q.

The basis of an 1v2 lane (which is possible in solo Q at least at low ELO) is that lvl 1-2 spells can't really kill you with a few exceptions, and from then on you have a level advantage. With the changes to HP quints and Doran's items many 1v2 lanes will simply cease to exist which might make taking a jungler a disaster. I dunno how that affects the game in general, but it might go bad.

so true. the only 2 games i went with vlad on my elo i won and i had a 1v2 lane. but it was so hard to lane. even with hp pot i came so close to die.
once i even had ashe vs eve and another melee stuner. i did ok, 4 1(mega dive) at one point, but mid started feeding and it soon was a 3v1 lane, 4 5 in no time. god... taking a jungle isnt functional anymore in my elo. i look to other team theres a shaco and an amumu. i go like ok olaf or malph jungl. when i get to load and see no smite im like "wtf..."
and either i go to top lane with smite or the guy there just feeds and actualy falls behind the duo lane...

phyvo

United States5635 Posts

January 30 2011 18:38 GMT

#675

Maybe the better idea for 1v2 would be just to horde HP pots. Sure you're set back by 400 gold, but hopefully you're getting more farm than the 2 and between the pots and teleport you should be able to lane forever regardless unless you're ganked from 100 to 0 or seriously xp denied.

barbsq

United States5348 Posts

January 30 2011 18:41 GMT

#676

actually noone can 1v2, there is no theory behind it, just that if the 2 play properly, there isnt a single hero who can take both of them on at the same time. It works in lower elo solely due to the fact that the 2 lane pushes harder than the 1, which makes the 1 person at the tower, and therefore, safe. In higher elo, the 2 will simply not push the lane and zone from lvl 1 or lvl 2, or they will push insanely hard and simply take the tower, depending on the hero they are laning against (people like ez simply cannot push back, so the tower can just be taken) and then proceed to roam, wreaking havoc on the other lanes

the only reason this isnt done in high elo is that it basically cedes dragon and buff control to the other team, not to mention one player will have to get smite anyways just to maintain some level of baron control

Two_DoWn

United States13684 Posts

January 30 2011 19:36 GMT

#677

So is anyone even sure that the mana change isnt a straight up nerf? For .35 mp5 lost per yellow, we gain 2.5 base according to phreak. But unless im an idiot, .35*9>2.5, so at level one it is a straight up nerf, not including later levels where less mp5 per runes make it worse.

I just mean, we have promises that if we continue to use the runes we wont notice much of a difference, but the decided lack of numbers i find quite concerning.

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

January 30 2011 19:58 GMT

#678

On January 31 2011 04:36 Two_DoWn wrote:
So is anyone even sure that the mana change isnt a straight up nerf? For .35 mp5 lost per yellow, we gain 2.5 base according to phreak. But unless im an idiot, .35*9>2.5, so at level one it is a straight up nerf, not including later levels where less mp5 per runes make it worse.

I just mean, we have promises that if we continue to use the runes we wont notice much of a difference, but the decided lack of numbers i find quite concerning.

You're off by a factor of 10. Old mp5 runes are 0.1 per level, new ones are 0.065, so the net loss per level is 0.035, not 0.35.

ArC_man

United States2798 Posts

January 30 2011 20:12 GMT

#679

Can't people just start Dorans and just make a quick bp to buy pots? I do that when I solo top anyways so I can grab a quick ward and more pots. If you time your bp well, you don't lose much experience and it's usually before the jungle gank (around level 4 ~4-5 minutes) so you can just afk farm top safely all day afterwards.

Two_DoWn

United States13684 Posts

January 30 2011 20:40 GMT

#680

On January 31 2011 04:58 TheYango wrote:

Show nested quote +

You're off by a factor of 10. Old mp5 runes are 0.1 per level, new ones are 0.065, so the net loss per level is 0.035, not 0.35.

right. I still wanna see actual numbers from riot though.