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Kingske
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium252 Posts
November 08 2010 17:44 GMT
#61
You can continue to jungle till around 8-10 but its recommended that you gank inbetween. After your jungle time make sure you get your buffs, focus on dragon, and ROAM
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
November 08 2010 17:56 GMT
#62
When you pull off a "wraith jack" do you only smite the big one or do you clear out the entire camp?
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Knightlax
Profile Joined July 2010
United States150 Posts
November 08 2010 17:56 GMT
#63
On November 09 2010 01:39 NeoIllusions wrote:
lol, Kog isn't "viable" jungle. He's "troll" jungle status. He's a DPS and a carry, so ideally put him in a solo lane.

And before someone jumps on me and says "What about Yi?!". Yes, Yi is also DPS but Alpha Strike has a mini Madred's proc so Yi breeze through the jungle. Kog doesn't have anything of the sort.

Yi can also Highlander out of most Jungle ganks. Kog is a sitting duck.


:/

Works for me. Kog has an AoE that helps him breeze through the jungle, on top of ridiculous early game attack speed from his Q. Ghost doesn't leave me a sitting duck. I'll stick with making unconventional jungles work. It throws people off.
Knightlax
Profile Joined July 2010
United States150 Posts
November 08 2010 17:58 GMT
#64
On November 09 2010 02:56 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
When you pull off a "wraith jack" do you only smite the big one or do you clear out the entire camp?


The goal is the whole camp. If, for whatever reason, you can only snag the big one, just do that. Every little advantage helps.
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
November 08 2010 18:00 GMT
#65
On November 09 2010 02:56 Knightlax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2010 01:39 NeoIllusions wrote:
lol, Kog isn't "viable" jungle. He's "troll" jungle status. He's a DPS and a carry, so ideally put him in a solo lane.

And before someone jumps on me and says "What about Yi?!". Yes, Yi is also DPS but Alpha Strike has a mini Madred's proc so Yi breeze through the jungle. Kog doesn't have anything of the sort.

Yi can also Highlander out of most Jungle ganks. Kog is a sitting duck.


:/

Works for me. Kog has an AoE that helps him breeze through the jungle, on top of ridiculous early game attack speed from his Q. Ghost doesn't leave me a sitting duck. I'll stick with making unconventional jungles work. It throws people off.


It throws bad people off.
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-08 18:02:40
November 08 2010 18:01 GMT
#66
To be honest, I wouldn't discount it until I tried it, I know that jungle tristana isn't absolutely terrible because she speeds up really fast midgame and ranged red buff ganks with aoe slows aren't anything to sneeze at.

[edit] Also Kog actually has a bloodrazor proc doesn't he? [/edit]
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 08 2010 18:01 GMT
#67
On November 09 2010 02:56 Knightlax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2010 01:39 NeoIllusions wrote:
lol, Kog isn't "viable" jungle. He's "troll" jungle status. He's a DPS and a carry, so ideally put him in a solo lane.

And before someone jumps on me and says "What about Yi?!". Yes, Yi is also DPS but Alpha Strike has a mini Madred's proc so Yi breeze through the jungle. Kog doesn't have anything of the sort.

Yi can also Highlander out of most Jungle ganks. Kog is a sitting duck.


:/

Works for me. Kog has an AoE that helps him breeze through the jungle, on top of ridiculous early game attack speed from his Q. Ghost doesn't leave me a sitting duck. I'll stick with making unconventional jungles work. It throws people off.


If you're having fun with it, go right ahead. I'm just highlighting the shortcomings of a jungling Kog. If you play ranked with it, you'll eventually reach a point where you can get harassed out of your own jungle rather easily. But if you're not playing ranked, no need to heed me.
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TieN.nS)
Profile Joined August 2003
United States2131 Posts
November 09 2010 03:00 GMT
#68
Kog has a mini-BR sure, but on small camps that's not quite as good as a chance to do bonus flat damage. Jungling Kog is definitely troll status, just look at how much less farm you'd get compared to soloing.
DiracMonopole
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1555 Posts
November 09 2010 03:16 GMT
#69
Yeah, I dont think Kog makes a good jungler. He makes a great buff-stealer though, particularly once he gets his ult.
TieN.nS)
Profile Joined August 2003
United States2131 Posts
November 09 2010 03:31 GMT
#70
On November 09 2010 12:16 DiracMonopole wrote:
Yeah, I dont think Kog makes a good jungler. He makes a great buff-stealer though, particularly once he gets his ult.


Only true in low-level games where people either don't take smite or don't last hit with it.
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
November 09 2010 04:20 GMT
#71
Even teemo and twitch can jungle. So it doesn't say much about viability besides "troll".
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Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7584 Posts
November 09 2010 04:33 GMT
#72
What do you think about wraith jacking but leaving a small wraith on? I still don't have proper timing/path for most champs but my experience as Jungling Yi going jack-wolves-my wraiths-stone golems-bp leaves me not enough time to jack their wraiths a second time (onces I caught an olaf and got fb though, but against mummy I was late).

But then, I'm running flat HP quints without whatever masteries that give you ms. Perhaps those can make it in time? But would it be worth it to leave 1 small wraith?
Stuck.
Darkchylde
Profile Joined January 2010
United States473 Posts
November 17 2010 04:55 GMT
#73
Honestly, wraith jack seems optimal just to steal xp and throw off unexperienced junglers. Their wraith is too close to their mid carry / towers for you to do anything gank worthy. So you clearing the camp and keeping the timer is better imo.

With Irelia's champion spotlight, Phreak mentions a new route that was also seen with Kobe24 in CLG vs HMUF Game 1. Smite big wolf camp, take blue, and steal their red and gank. Thoughts and input?
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
November 17 2010 05:55 GMT
#74
I've been jacking enemy twingols lately to great success. Actually I've just been a general dick - Yi sees me coming to his wraiths? Start at his golem. Teammates see Shaco mucking around my golem? Start their twingols. (twingols only if you know where the enemy jungler is - no one ever (yet) thinks "dang I bet olaf's at OUR twingols imma go check.)
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arnath
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1317 Posts
November 17 2010 07:53 GMT
#75
Does somebody have/know of a decent jungle Udyr video? I feel like I'm doing something wrong with my ability usage because I can't come anywhere close to the mid 3 min clear times people say I should be hitting.
Morzas
Profile Joined August 2005
United States387 Posts
November 17 2010 09:02 GMT
#76
I've been screwing around with Jungle Twitch a bit. I wrote a little about it.

http://runeterra.com/forums/index.php?topic=1293
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HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
November 17 2010 21:38 GMT
#77
does silence , silence smite? like if kass silenced the jungler, then smites his blue buff and went mid.
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red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
November 17 2010 21:41 GMT
#78
On November 18 2010 06:38 HeavOnEarth wrote:
does silence , silence smite? like if kass silenced the jungler, then smites his blue buff and went mid.


I'm 99.9% certain that it effects smite like any other summoner, so that's a yes. Counter jungle soraka/cho/leblanc/kass obviously.
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HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
November 17 2010 21:43 GMT
#79
On November 17 2010 18:02 exo6yte wrote:
I've been screwing around with Jungle Twitch a bit. I wrote a little about it.

http://runeterra.com/forums/index.php?topic=1293

if u jungle like this with twitch (liz and red pot) you might as well just have 2 junglers, while you roam around with lizard.
probably get the other jungler to ward enemy blue (taking the long path) while u ward enemy red or something
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Iri
Profile Joined January 2010
150 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-19 21:33:28
November 19 2010 21:19 GMT
#80
On November 05 2010 22:43 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
Who can solo dragon, and at what level / at what cost to HP?

In other words, who's best/fastest at doing Dragon?

While you're at it, do Baron too.


Fiddlesticks, who I was apalled to see didn't make some of the earlier jungler lists... I played a game with him yesterday with a level 2 dragon kill using a blue elixir and a level 12 baron kill using mpen boots, blue elixir, and a tear. He's extremely fast in the jungle and has reasonable ganking, and he's extremely difficult to invade/gank because he's always at full health and has a spammable cc.

EDIT: Oh, I forgot... Reason #1 why all junglers should always take smite.

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The ending they're talking about was me, as a fed jungle Rammus, strolling down to re-ward Baron, finding them doing it, smite-stealing it, then scoring a quadra kill when they tried to kill me. Would have been a penta except Ashe threw a volley in and finished one of 'em.

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