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On November 24 2010 15:35 Tooplark wrote:
When I last jungled Jax, I found him pretty solid actually. Blue buff dependent, rune and mastery dependent, but you can clear jungle by about 3:45 iirc with average counterstrike procs, get tabi -> lizard and drop a pretty powerful gank as long as you make sure there are creeps near whoever you jump on. With Tabi you're really likely to get a creep attack counter proc.
Also I haven't really been impressed by lane Jax.
Yeah, this is pretty much how it goes for jungling. Get the blue buff and whore counterstrike like no tomorrow. I only sink 1 point into it, then put 2 points into empower before dedicating the rest to leapstrike for ganking. Once Jax hits level 6, jungling is easy as cake.
Lane Jax is good if you have a solid lane partner who can help keep the enemy off of you. Leapstrike/empower + CS is powerful on paper, but it's very mana intensive in the early game. You can really only do it twice before your OOM. If I have a bad lane partner, I'd rather jungle to avoid (hopefully) harassment. Jax is more about surviving his lackluster early game than anything else.
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Hmm, can you cover more topics in OP?
I am so bad at jungle, I know only the blue path.. and only rammus.
All this adv stuff I haven't even played with cuz jungling I dunno...
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So I had this game as jungle trist...
actually felt safe and dandy as long as you go their wraiths -> wolves -> wraiths (look for gank) red buff (go back, and gank now)
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I heard that in this game, people who start blue gets owned by warwick. All warwick has to do is their wraiths and red and then back out. By the time their jungler comes to wraiths it's like .......
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Warwick can't finish red if he starts wolves unless he ignites the big one instead of smiting it I think.
Lately I've been seeing a lot of good teams go 5 man wraith jack 5 man red jack give to their solo mid and get to lane after. Works best with at least 1 teleport.
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warwick is the easiest champ in the game
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On November 05 2010 21:47 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
The Wraith Jack
The beauty about wraith jack is that it forces them into the position where they can commit horrendous mistakes while increasing your creep score. with the wraith jack, you deny your opponent part of his farm and experience while taking it for yourself. I've had many Amumu players suicide themselves to lizard because they don't know what to do without the wraiths there. Other players will bluepill, find that they don't have enough for razors, buy boots, run back out and be way behind on farm, as I'm still jungling at full speed while they have delayed their razor for minutes.
The wraith jack is such an amazingly effective tool for disrupting an opponent's jungling. There have been games where I have had 48 creep kills when my opponent had 12 because when I went for the second jack I found him there and killed him and just snowballed out of control from it.
i got a question for you, as i am a new jungler. this post actually has me more scared then it helped i think lol... i have a new strat i wanna try now with Wraith Jack... but what exactly is the proper response to having your wraiths stolen if it isnt blue pilling or proceeding to red buff? how can i respond without you just gaining a complete advantage over me or, or to lessen that?
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On December 12 2010 22:59 Asdkmoga wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2010 21:47 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
The Wraith Jack
The beauty about wraith jack is that it forces them into the position where they can commit horrendous mistakes while increasing your creep score. with the wraith jack, you deny your opponent part of his farm and experience while taking it for yourself. I've had many Amumu players suicide themselves to lizard because they don't know what to do without the wraiths there. Other players will bluepill, find that they don't have enough for razors, buy boots, run back out and be way behind on farm, as I'm still jungling at full speed while they have delayed their razor for minutes.
The wraith jack is such an amazingly effective tool for disrupting an opponent's jungling. There have been games where I have had 48 creep kills when my opponent had 12 because when I went for the second jack I found him there and killed him and just snowballed out of control from it.
i got a question for you, as i am a new jungler. this post actually has me more scared then it helped i think lol... i have a new strat i wanna try now with Wraith Jack... but what exactly is the proper response to having your wraiths stolen if it isnt blue pilling or proceeding to red buff? how can i respond without you just gaining a complete advantage over me or, or to lessen that?
actually, there is a really easy way to deal with wraith jack. First off, have some1 spot the wraiths for you, preferably some1 who is in the furthest lane (i.e. if ur bottom left team, have some1 from bot lane watch, mid and top should be protecting you). Even if you dont want to teamfight lvl 1, you can just let him have the wraiths (he is backed up by his team) so go take his minigolems. you actually come out ahead, just dont get spotted by the creeps coming lol
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Take your stone golems, you should still be able to do it. Jungling is all about being able to adapt. Timing and map awareness are very important too, so if he took your wraiths, count his creeps, see where he is, and figure out what he's doing.
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Wraith jack can go horrendously wronged. Somebody took my wraiths? Hi, your blue buff is now mine.
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On December 13 2010 01:28 fadestep wrote:
Wraith jack can go horrendously wronged. Somebody took my wraiths? Hi, your blue buff is now mine.
Yea, that's why it's always worth keeping tabs on your own Blue (and just the enemy jungler in general) after wraith-jacking.
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So, is all of this going to change after this patch (not being able to count creeps...)?
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On December 14 2010 19:29 HeavOnEarth wrote:
yup its useless now
Incidentally, this also hurts the weaker junglers just as much as the healing change, because weaker junglers also tend to be more predictable. With someone with 1-2 really viable clear paths, you can track him just by memorizing the appropriate clear time, and confirming with a CV somewhere along the way. With a champ like WW that can start anywhere, go anywhere, and not give a fuck, tracking him is going to be impossible.
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Would love some details on a guide. I normally just see we have no jungler and pick warwick/smite. Since I'm <level30 without runes I half-ass it and it works the majority of the time, but in games where there's an enemy jungler/counterjungler I get roughed up really badly.
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so how does udyr jungle now?
i tried phoenix and all you ever get is dead and oom
seems like tiger/turtle the way to go? and with locket gone.. lantern?
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On December 15 2010 10:42 aliasds wrote:
so how does udyr jungle now?
i tried phoenix and all you ever get is dead and oom
seems like tiger/turtle the way to go? and with locket gone.. lantern?
1/14/15 with full aspd+68mana page, zero problems running standard phoenix builds and hog.
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I was in a solo queue game today where I was jungle Udyr and the other team had Rammus jungling, Nunu with Smite, and a Shaco laning top.
Now, we got destroyed in this game, largely because bottom fed the Teemo even when Nunu would run off into our jungle and our top Anivia somehow lost to AP lane Shaco, but I'm just curious as to what people do against aggressive two jungler counter jungling. I think I definitely should have bought an oracle's much earlier which would have helped, but just looking for general advice.
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Actually the hardest thing to deal with as a jungler is strong, aggressive counterjungling teams like Nunu/Shaco/Eve etc. It basically comes down to being able to soul-read them early and massive amounts of warding midgame. All of this comes with experience.
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or tell someone to take cv and repeatedly troll in all chat when their gank attempt fails O:
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