EPTProbably wouldn't counter a double jack though and I tend to be low HP when I jungle noct.
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
Probably wouldn't counter a double jack though and I tend to be low HP when I jungle noct. | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
However, the real question at hand I have is if you can go into the enemy jungle and steal their red and leave a lizard alive to make the respawn time start when the enemy arrives, jack wraiths with a single wraith alive to give even less XP, and then proceed to your own wolves or blue if you can manage it. But this is assuming the enemy starts at blue and you are going alone rather than going in with much of your team and maybe allowing mid to take the red and then you proceed with jungling. | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
Though i do believe you that Turtle Udyr exists, just like AD annie. (seriously, i still don't know what you mean by Turtle Udyr, do these vamp scepter udyrs who die to mini golems start with turtle or what?) | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 18 2011 02:53 Shiragaku wrote: However, the real question at hand I have is if you can go into the enemy jungle and steal their red and leave a lizard alive to make the respawn time start when the enemy arrives, jack wraiths with a single wraith alive to give even less XP, and then proceed to your own wolves or blue if you can manage it. Enemy red jack start is pretty silly IMO. The risk-reward comparison is fairly poor, as you get a lot lower and spend a lot longer time doing red when it gives you less XP than a minigol jack, and many junglers are not reliant on red at all. The chance of getting caught is really high even if you know he's starting at blue, as solo top or bot lane support will generally pass red on their way to lane after leashing blue for their jungler. If you're going to steal the enemy red at the start, pick a team with a strong lvl 1 teamfight, and take it as a team. Starting at enemy red by yourself will fuck your timing up as well because you'll get super low from having no one there to leash it, won't hit lvl 2, and have to do wraiths/wolves with half HP at level 1 with no smite. There's basically no room for you to get caught at all. On March 18 2011 07:12 Ecael wrote: Stonewall is some guy who posts a ton of jungling vids on youtube and people like to use the routes he has. Honestly I am not really sure why, since those vids treat jungle as if it is in a vacuum, which is anything but the case. His routes are generally optimized almost purely around clear time which, to be fair, is probably the most relevant factor when considering weaker, off-beat junglers (i.e. characters that normally shouldn't be jungling, but who you're trying in the jungle just for fun). For most serious junglers, there are usually better routes that take into consideration other factors. | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
On March 18 2011 06:49 Kaniol wrote: What is this Stonewall you are talking about? O.o Though i do believe you that Turtle Udyr exists, just like AD annie. (seriously, i still don't know what you mean by Turtle Udyr, do these vamp scepter udyrs who die to mini golems start with turtle or what?) The turtle Udyr was initially not that bad because it is deathproof by all means while in the jungle and if you get attacked, you are guaranteed to have plenty of HP to escape but later on, you may be very behind. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 18 2011 08:03 Shiragaku wrote: The turtle Udyr was initially not that bad because it is deathproof by all means while in the jungle and if you get attacked, you are guaranteed to have plenty of HP to escape but later on, you may be very behind. If you wanted to play like that, then you'd pick Warwick. | ||
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
On March 18 2011 08:09 TheYango wrote: If you wanted to play like that, then you'd pick Warwick. Yep, that was the eventually conclusion. | ||
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Stealthpenguin
Finland393 Posts
I just had a game where this happened to me. I was olaf they had amumu. At the start they came with their whole team to my blue, they had (imo) a stronger lvl 1 so I told my team to back off then let them have it and just started small gols etc. After a while amumu bandage tosses onto me at my wraiths and I'm like fuck yeah free mumu kill and didn't realise their mid and top were right behind him so he got my liz and after that i got ganked by multiple people all the time in my jungle. My jungle was warded up pretty hard so I got an early oracle and some wards of my own but still got ganked, didnt die because of my wards but they just came in, I ran, they took creeps/buff and ran away. Also lost my oracle pretty fast trading my life for dragsteal, was that worth it? I knew mumu didnt have smite up but my team was too far to help so i went in knowing i could most likely get drag but would surely die. After getting denied so hard and losing the 400g on oracle+wards in my jungle I was just useless the rest of the game until we surrendered. edit: I realise how horrible it sounds to get counterjungled by amumu as olaf, feel free to point and laugh. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
I don't like getting fast oracles if I'm behind. You want the oracle to be on someone that's not likely to die in a fight, and that's not likely to be you if you're an underfarmed melee DPS. Ask your support to get one and clear wards for you. | ||
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LightRailCoyote
United States982 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
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Flakes
United States3125 Posts
Right now I put the ward in the river by the ramp leading to my own wraiths, to prevent wraithjacks and super early mid ganks while I start at minigolems. Also, I'm willing to try out jack-resistant route suggestions that wouldn't necessitate an early ward (the green pot sets me behind unless I kill someone at level 4 with it). | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
With the kind of amumu masteries and runes people run now though, he is much tankier earlier on. Also, as long as he has blue, he can clear the jungle quite quickly. With the advent of roamers, I think Amumu's weak jungling is better covered than ever. So yeah, I am not too sure about how useful that advice about counterjungling mumu is anymore. It might be more effective to force him to cover lanes and jack jungle rather than trying to straightup disrupt him. | ||
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