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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
http://www.own3d.tv/video/80125/TheOddOne_s_Nunu_Counter_Jungle_Tutorial_Part_1 http://www.own3d.tv/video/80133/TheOddOne_s_Nunu_Counter_Jungle_Tutorial_Part_2 As you can see in the link, it's a Nunu counter jungle vid by TheOddOne (One of, if not the best jungler's in the game). It's a really useful resource for learning high level counter jungling. | ||
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Psyonic_Reaver
United States4341 Posts
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TL Blazeraid
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ghen
United States1356 Posts
Goal: steal their wraiths twice, get 735 gold for razor+pot, and lose none of your own jungle path: e-wraiths, wolves, blue, e-wraiths, wolves, wraiths, golems (optional), buy razor+pot(+ward optional), red, gank Works with anyone that can take wraiths first (read: anyone) If the enemy gets jealous and tries to take your wraiths you will almost always catch them in the act and they will almost always be lower hp/lvl than you. Ping for mid support and kill them. Sometimes the enemy will get jealous and try to take your wolves, This path can't really stop that but who cares its just wolves vs 2 wraith jacks. Very rarely they will try to take your red, you will almost always get there when they either just start or are about halfway through. Especially true with nunu. Kill him  Champions I use to do this route: Yi, Irelia, Warwick, Olaf. Champions I don't use due to mana constraints or faster routes overpowering the benefit of the wraith jack: Trundle, Nunu, Udyr Warwick and Irelia are the only two enemy junglers (that I know of) that just don't care if you steal wraiths, they will still end up strong midgame. Everyone else I haven't figured out yet, but this is extremely powerful. No one in the general community understands why it is so powerful yet, so even when they watch me do it they just think I'm being a dick. Its impossible to copy a strategy you don't understand and that's why I love it Possible outcomes: You kill the enemy encroaching on your turf Enemy is under leveled and goes to lane for a bit Enemy dies to minions due to their path being screwed up and being 1 level lower than normal Enemy can't do dragon or gank for a while as they catch up in levels. They also won't be itemized Enemy catches you at wraiths and you have to ghost away. Ping for mid support! How to fight against it: No one has ever done this to me outside of TL Inhouse. In that case, I just whine that they are being tryhard and buy all troll items. Alternatively, if your wraiths get stolen make sure you are back to wraiths the instant they pop up. The second round is where this route is most vulnerable with support from mid. Especially if your mid is anivia/karthus/ashe etc. with a heavy slow. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
Take your blue buff, then their wraiths, then their twin golems. Enjoy the fact that you get a leash at blue and they can't unless they pull someone from lane, which isn't very smart. | ||
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necrosed
Brazil885 Posts
Which is something interesting - I like having junglers that start at blue with a blitz on my team, so we can try to force a lvl1 fight on their golem. Remember that having a scary lvl1 team is also a defense from being countered. Smart people don't blindly counter a team with Blitz/Sion/Taric. Also, smart CV usage goes a long way on counterjungling. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
Wraith jacking is way easier and safer. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 10 2011 02:13 Juicyfruit wrote: How to fight against it, assuming you know you've been wraithjacked: Take your blue buff, then their wraiths, then their twin golems. Enjoy the fact that you get a leash at blue and they can't unless they pull someone from lane, which isn't very smart. This is somewhat risky, particularly against some wraith jackers like Yi who don't go to blue after their wolves and go straight to their wraiths. | ||
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necrosed
Brazil885 Posts
Then we took bot tower (we were purple team) and I just invaded his jungle freely, up to a point someone in their team screamed "oh my god, stop that annoying Trundle". I felt so satisfied with that comment. | ||
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Khul Sadukar
Australia1735 Posts
Will give that a go tonight. I usually play with my Tor guild so its fairly low elo (lower than what I'm used to) So should be overkill heh. Btw do any of you guys know iFatality? I'm sure he's a smurf. Had a wicked strong nidalee build that focused solely on AP and killer spears. Was killing anyone around half health with it was just insane! | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
it can really fuck up the enemy jungler BUT one thing to note you should not wraith Jack if your opponent is a FARMING jungler, only if they are a GANKING jungler. The purpose of wraith Jack is to fuck up their gank. It also slows yours down, so assess your lanes before you do it. Don't wraith Jack if you're a gank dependent jungler like shaco ie WJing is very strong as Warwick but extremely weak AGAINST Warwick because ww gank is awful and he'll just stay in the jungle until 6 anyways anyway I've found there are other things you can do that are more disruptive than WJing but I don't wanna give away all my jungle secrets  | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
About rune selection, especially for the blue slot. I see most people here run scaling MRes, what is the reasoning behind that? I totally get it on Nunu/Amu/Cho for example, but wouldn't Udyr / WW / Trundle benefit more from AS runes there? (Or even maybe scaling CD runes on Amumu instead of it) Basicly I feel like MRes runes help most between your first gank and your first negatron. During other parts of the game they are pretty useless compared to other options. Someone who has more clue about this than me shine some light on this please. =P | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On March 17 2011 22:39 Shiragaku wrote: This is just theory, but could you steal the enemy red, leave one lizard alive, take their wraiths and leave one wraith alive, and do your standard jungling? With your team, yes. Alone, most likely not, at least with most champs. You will need smite for both which doesnt work out. Otherwise Wraiths will take you really low if you even survive. | ||
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crate
United States2474 Posts
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
On March 17 2011 22:44 spinesheath wrote: MRes is harder to place in a build than armor or health for many of these champs. MRes/lvl glyphs also are very efficient in terms of gold per rune. Mid/Lategame, that additional MRes has a MUCH bigger impact than 5% ASpd. With your team, yes. Alone, most likely not, at least with most champs. You will need smite for both which doesnt work out. But I was wondering if you could do it with someone like Warwick. Very fast and can escape if need be. That is assuming that the other jungler is slow such as a Shen or Turtle Udyr. Bleh...I am going to politely be called an idiot for these ideas. | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
That being said we should also hear from some of the better players. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On March 17 2011 22:49 Shiragaku wrote: But I was wondering if you could do it with someone like Warwick. Very fast and can escape if need be. That is assuming that the other jungler is slow such as a Shen or Turtle Udyr. Bleh...I am going to politely be called an idiot for these ideas. You are quite right there... with your last sentence :p Warwick is not fast. He is safe because he stays at high HP all the time and he can farm the jungle for a very long time without having to go back. That's about all he has going for himself these days. He is NOT fast. Shen is so much better in a lane, nobody really jungles him. He's even slower than WW, true. Turtle Jungle Udyr... I truly hope that this doesn't even exist. Pure nonsense. Udyr can clear the jungle quick and fairly safely with Tiger or Phoenix. I guess WW could do Wraiths and then Red with some effort, but he'd most likely get 1 shotted if anyone notices. | ||
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
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