• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 14:04
CEST 20:04
KST 03:04
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202529RSL Season 1 - Final Week8[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16
Community News
Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed19Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll8Team TLMC #5 - Submission re-extension4Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation17
StarCraft 2
General
The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Power Rank - Esports World Cup 2025 RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster Why doesnt SC2 scene costream tournaments
Tourneys
Esports World Cup 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion Flash Announces (and Retracts) Hiatus From ASL BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Corsair Pursuit Micro? Pro gamer house photos
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET The Casual Games of the Week Thread BWCL Season 63 Announcement
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok) Path of Exile CCLP - Command & Conquer League Project
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 814 users

[Strategy] Advanced Jungling - Page 3

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 8 9 10 Next All
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
November 07 2010 06:30 GMT
#41
They've moved the spawn time on camps forward by 5 seconds, now small creeps spawn at 1:35 and buffs spawn at 1:50.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
November 07 2010 06:54 GMT
#42
What do you guys think of Armor quints over HP quints on junglers with positive armor scaling? I just bought rammus and played a few games with him featuring AD luxes and Malady Sivirs, and Armor feels like it's more natural to him, but his earlygame HP is so low.
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 07 2010 07:19 GMT
#43
I'd only recommend Flat HP, Attack Speed or Move Speed.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
November 07 2010 12:49 GMT
#44
For what it's worth, I feel like Flat HP quints lose value steadily as the game goes on. You should be pushing small edges you have as the levels go up and flat HP quints only allow you to do this for the first 1-6 levels.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
ShoreT
Profile Joined August 2008
United States489 Posts
November 07 2010 14:51 GMT
#45
As a jungler, if you don't absolutely need the hp to make a safe jungle run, I'd opt for Movespeed quints if possible. Especially on junglers like Udyr who also serve as great chasers.
Derp
Unentschieden
Profile Joined August 2007
Germany1471 Posts
November 07 2010 16:38 GMT
#46
HP is nice but after level 5 you never loose or win a fight based on 100 HP - think about it, at that level 100 HP is already in the reach of a single lucky carry crit.

Junglers especially perform mostly regardless of HP. If the enemy manages to suprise you alone in the jungle they aren´t looking for a fair fight. If they don´t have some kind of advantage that is worth more than 100 HP they wouldn´t have gone after you anyway.
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-07 20:07:33
November 07 2010 20:07 GMT
#47
on a seperate note, what do you do when the yi you're jungling against procs Madreds' 5x in a row + double and kills dragon in the time it takes from you to get there from wolves?
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
TieN.nS)
Profile Joined August 2003
United States2131 Posts
November 08 2010 00:15 GMT
#48
On November 07 2010 23:51 ShoreT wrote:
As a jungler, if you don't absolutely need the hp to make a safe jungle run, I'd opt for Movespeed quints if possible. Especially on junglers like Udyr who also serve as great chasers.


Attack speed quints on Udyr for Phoenix DPS and Turtle leech~
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
November 08 2010 00:20 GMT
#49
When I jungle amumu I always end up underleveled compared to the rest of the team. Is this normal?
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 08 2010 01:06 GMT
#50
On November 08 2010 09:20 UniversalSnip wrote:
When I jungle amumu I always end up underleveled compared to the rest of the team. Is this normal?


This is the problem with "viable" junglers. They can jungle but they do it much slower than say a WW or Udyr. So yes, they end up a little underleveled. It's up to you to find open lanes (let's say after outer towers have fallen, yours or theirs) and farm a couple waves of creep.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
-Kato-
Profile Joined June 2010
Spain1146 Posts
November 08 2010 01:17 GMT
#51
Olaf and WW are both very similar champions: amazing junglers, tanky dpsers, have a nuke with WW's Q and Olaf's E, their ulti helps them get to the squishies fast (Olaf's is safer though). Olaf can use his Q to slow oponents and WW's E helps him catch up to hurt enemies, and both have aspeed and lifesteal.

Who is better overall? Right now I think Olaf is better overall, plus he doesn't have to build Bloodrazors to have a high damage output, so he can go straight for a tank build.

Thoughts?
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-08 01:27:12
November 08 2010 01:26 GMT
#52
Depends on what your needs are. When it's draft, you pick the jungler that that fight the enemy team better.

WW ganks better early and mid game. Olaf is a fucking machine late game once he has 3 or more high tier tank items.

WW with Bloodrazor will shred tanks ezpz. Olaf is wonderful against a team loaded with CC.

WW with Infinite Duress can always capitalize on players out of position. Olaf has better burst with low CD E.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
November 08 2010 01:49 GMT
#53
On November 08 2010 09:20 UniversalSnip wrote:
When I jungle amumu I always end up underleveled compared to the rest of the team. Is this normal?


no its not normal, you might be wasting too much time looking for ganks. just keep clearing the jungle unless you are 100% sure you can get a kill
Brees on in
Skithiryx
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia648 Posts
November 08 2010 02:51 GMT
#54
On November 07 2010 12:50 DiracMonopole wrote:
Yeah, the actual game clock is kept server side, and its pretty easy for it to desync.


Yep, have had it say "30 seconds till mino~""Minions have spawned"
Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
November 08 2010 03:00 GMT
#55
On November 08 2010 10:49 Brees wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2010 09:20 UniversalSnip wrote:
When I jungle amumu I always end up underleveled compared to the rest of the team. Is this normal?


no its not normal, you might be wasting too much time looking for ganks. just keep clearing the jungle unless you are 100% sure you can get a kill


Yeah, I have this problem a lot because I waste too much time roaming instead of just making sure I'm keeping up in levels. It's hard to shake the habit because so many people on your team will make comments like "wtf where is gank" even if there's no good opportunity.
Zero fighting.
Zato-1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile4253 Posts
November 08 2010 13:55 GMT
#56
On November 08 2010 10:06 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2010 09:20 UniversalSnip wrote:
When I jungle amumu I always end up underleveled compared to the rest of the team. Is this normal?


This is the problem with "viable" junglers. They can jungle but they do it much slower than say a WW or Udyr. So yes, they end up a little underleveled. It's up to you to find open lanes (let's say after outer towers have fallen, yours or theirs) and farm a couple waves of creep.

Amumu is a significantly faster jungler than WW. Tantrum + Despair >> Hunters Call + Hungering Strike in terms of jungling speed- what WW has in his favor is that he spends a lot less gold on pots.
Go here http://vina.biobiochile.cl/ and input the Konami Code (up up down down left right left right B A)
Kingske
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium252 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-08 14:10:14
November 08 2010 14:09 GMT
#57
Branding wraith jacking as a TL originated thing is important for our community in LoL Tell everyone 5hit made that up yo!

Love the guide, will contribute my own tactics soon

Bravery v feeding as a jungler?
Taking advantage of your jungle when you dont have one... (mostly for noobs)
Bravery! - Livestream.com/frogtails
Knightlax
Profile Joined July 2010
United States150 Posts
November 08 2010 16:18 GMT
#58
5hit, thank you for this guide!

I've never been much for jungling, as I've always preferred to be in a lane. But after I read this, I took what I learned and actually developed a way to Jungle KogMaw. I keep up in levels with the side lane, and red buff gank comes right before the lanes hit 6. Obviously, Kog lands in the "viable" category for junglers, simply because of the low hp moments between lvl 2 and 3. But after that, things get ultra smooth.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 08 2010 16:39 GMT
#59
lol, Kog isn't "viable" jungle. He's "troll" jungle status. He's a DPS and a carry, so ideally put him in a solo lane.

And before someone jumps on me and says "What about Yi?!". Yes, Yi is also DPS but Alpha Strike has a mini Madred's proc so Yi breeze through the jungle. Kog doesn't have anything of the sort.

Yi can also Highlander out of most Jungle ganks. Kog is a sitting duck.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Unentschieden
Profile Joined August 2007
Germany1471 Posts
November 08 2010 16:55 GMT
#60
On November 08 2010 10:49 Brees wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2010 09:20 UniversalSnip wrote:
When I jungle amumu I always end up underleveled compared to the rest of the team. Is this normal?


no its not normal, you might be wasting too much time looking for ganks. just keep clearing the jungle unless you are 100% sure you can get a kill


Might not exactly be true. Unlike laneminions the junglecreeps don´t grant more XP over time and the "big" ones have prohibitive respawn times. You WILL fall behind eventually if you keep jungling.
Ganking is important, so is covering a lane when someone is pushed/shopping. Not only for overal Towerhealth but also your XP-gain.
My suggestion is to try and spend the least amount of time possible in the jungle. When that enemy Mordekaiser is hopelessly overextended the Wolves can wait.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 8 9 10 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Esports World Cup
10:00
2025 - Day 1
Cure vs ShoWTimELIVE!
EWC_Arena8497
ComeBackTV 2422
TaKeTV 770
3DClanTV 448
Hui .447
CranKy Ducklings234
EnkiAlexander 208
Berry_CruncH202
UpATreeSC182
mcanning180
Rex171
Reynor156
davetesta15
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
EWC_Arena8497
Hui .447
UpATreeSC 182
mcanning 180
Rex 171
Reynor 156
StarCraft: Brood War
Barracks 929
Mini 657
Larva 617
EffOrt 509
Stork 220
Aegong 60
PianO 23
soO 22
scan(afreeca) 18
Sharp 14
[ Show more ]
Movie 11
JulyZerg 7
League of Legends
Dendi1129
Counter-Strike
fl0m2095
byalli270
oskar218
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor381
XaKoH 132
Liquid`Hasu1
Other Games
ceh92733
singsing1979
Trikslyr57
FrodaN35
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 2
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 10
• FirePhoenix4
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2886
• masondota21069
• WagamamaTV404
League of Legends
• Nemesis4376
• TFBlade806
Other Games
• imaqtpie897
• Shiphtur407
Upcoming Events
Esports World Cup
15h 56m
ByuN vs Zoun
SHIN vs TriGGeR
Cyan vs TBD
Rogue vs HeRoMaRinE
Clem vs Solar
Reynor vs Maru
herO vs TBD
Serral vs Classic
Esports World Cup
1d 15h
Esports World Cup
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
3 days
CSO Cup
3 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
3 days
Bonyth vs Sziky
Dewalt vs Hawk
Hawk vs QiaoGege
Sziky vs Dewalt
Mihu vs Bonyth
Zhanhun vs QiaoGege
QiaoGege vs Fengzi
FEL
4 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
4 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
4 days
Bonyth vs Zhanhun
Dewalt vs Mihu
Hawk vs Sziky
Sziky vs QiaoGege
Mihu vs Hawk
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs Bonyth
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Online Event
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Xiamen Invitational
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL20 Non-Korean Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
CC Div. A S7
Underdog Cup #2
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
SEL Season 2 Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
FEL Cracov 2025
HCC Europe
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.