just need to have the right ap carry for this shit
ima be more stubborn next time and go with the picks i want not some retard shit chaox wants to try

SagaZ

France3460 Posts

March 22 2011 14:46 GMT

#10203

So with all the new tanky deepz crave, why isn't kog more popular? i mean his E is pretty much a hard counter agaisnt them yes?

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

March 22 2011 14:50 GMT

#10204

lol, E is the spitball that slows, and no, that is not a hard counter. if you were talking about his W, it's not good enough because the tanky deepsers have jumps. W is a hard counter to conventional tanks because they tend to not have instant-gap closers, so kog with mallet/red buff could kite them around and kill them really quickly, but when you're getting Jarman knockup'd or Audacious Charged or Infinite Duress'd Kog just gets raped.

Teemo is the ranged carry counter to tanky deeps. (not joking at all)

Slayer91

Ireland23448 Posts

March 22 2011 15:07 GMT

#10205

I find vlad very unrated, (since nerf) but as people say AP like malz does insane dps even to tanky champs.

Vlads lategame makes me wish there was a thornmail for magic damage

P.S: Nasus #1 counter to 5 melee tanky teams. He can basically 1v5 with ulti up.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

March 22 2011 15:08 GMT

#10206

vlad with hextech revolver makes me wanna punch a baby directly in the face.

Phrost

United States4008 Posts

March 22 2011 15:19 GMT

#10207

On March 23 2011 00:08 Mogwai wrote:
vlad with hextech revolver makes me wanna punch a baby directly in the face.

Me too. Any vlad that doesn't build for either rylais or deathcap after boots makes me want to kill a baby.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

March 22 2011 15:27 GMT

#10208

I don't think you understand how fucking OP revolver is on Vlad. You literally can't touch a level 7 vlad with revolver in a 1v1 lane. It's the Vlad equivalent to wriggles, just even more so.

Slayer91

Ireland23448 Posts

March 22 2011 15:38 GMT

#10209

Of course, apart from his rock solid laning he has one of the best scaling endgames of all champs and a super strong midgame with his ultimate+mass aoe damage being great for teamfights, but can still 1v1 anyone.

Why is less popular now?

I guess the slow before his pool-->insta focus is still a viable way to deal with him. (Nasus whither so his pool basically doesn't move into Q's of death, draining 5% of hp/sec to give you 200 bonus AD, huehuehue)

cascades

Singapore6122 Posts

March 22 2011 15:41 GMT

#10210

Man Mogwai dont let the cat out of the bag like that.

A vlad with revolver can E and heal himself. Ofc Q heals even more. It's like a faggotkaiser, but u are nearly ungankable.

Phil4994

United States143 Posts

March 22 2011 15:42 GMT

#10211

Yeah, I've experienced the Hextech Revolver Vlad. He basically can't be harassed at all, but as long as you play safe and don't feed kills, the power falls off really quickly and he's fairly weak in the mid-game fight.

Yiruru

Canada690 Posts

March 22 2011 15:45 GMT

#10212

someone made a tool for you caller, now you don't even need to think when you want to troll huehuehue

http://giantfunny.com/ultimate_bravery.php

Juicyfruit

Canada5484 Posts

March 22 2011 16:04 GMT

#10213

Character: Mother Fuckin Gangplank
Summoner Spell 1: Teleport
Summoner Spell 2: Revive

Boots: Boots of Swiftness

Item 1: Void Staff
Item 2: Soul Shroud
Item 3: Vampiric Scepter
Item 4: Warden's Mail
Item 5: Randuin's Omen

Flakes

United States3125 Posts

March 22 2011 16:08 GMT

#10214

Unfortunately there are some champs that build anything and win (nasus comes to mind as well)

Character: Kayle
Summoner Spell 1: Cleanse
Summoner Spell 2: Revive

Boots: Boots of Mobility

Item 1: The Bloodthirster
Item 2: Fiendish Codex
Item 3: Wit's End
Item 4: Rod of Ages
Item 5: Frozen Heart

revive mastery + mobility boots + W would get you back into fights so fast O.o
Also, @hextech on Vlad, I think people underestimate how little getting a revolver sets you back, and how good the stats are for Vlad for the cost (and builds into Win of the Ancients later)

phyvo

United States5635 Posts

March 22 2011 16:10 GMT

#10215

Character: Heimerdinger
Summoner Spell 1: Clairvoyance
Summoner Spell 2: Fortify

Boots: Mercury's Treads

Item 1: Tear of the Goddess
Item 2: Thornmail
Item 3: Avarice Blade
Item 4: Stark's Fervor
Item 5: Sword of the Occult

The most important part of this is to build the items in the order specified or else these brave builds won't work.

spinesheath

Germany8679 Posts

March 22 2011 16:13 GMT

#10216

By the way, Revive: If you can coordinate your team so that you can trade 3+ kills in a teamfight and then do a mass revive and just roll the enemy base around 20-25 minutes, it should be really strong. Especially if you pick a team that can trade kills well and isn't terribly reliant on summoners (tanky DPS hurrdurr).

Also here's why I think the suicide Karthus thing "works": By dieing near the enemy tower, you basically allow your team to take the tower uncontested, because your enemies cannot fight in Karthus' mad AoE. Ideally Karthus would ult before he suicides to the tower.

mrgerry

United States1508 Posts

March 22 2011 16:14 GMT

#10217

Against a team of melee's that have bunch of initiation you want to pick a ranged that can easily itemize tank items w/o raping your damage. So I'd preferably want Urgot or Teemo.

Regi even said at the end "oh what they have 5 melee we shoulda gotten Anivia or Malz". Anivia is about as anti-melee as it gets and Malz can take any one of them out of the fight along with pokez.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

March 22 2011 16:33 GMT

#10218

Character: Poppy
Summoner Spell 1: Rally
Summoner Spell 2: Clairvoyance

Boots: Mercury's Treads

Item 1: Stark's Fervor
Item 2: Void Staff
Item 3: Randuin's Omen
Item 4: Quicksilver Sash
Item 5: Lich Bane

wtf, that build is way too legit

EDIT: Holy shit, 2nd build was even proer:

Character: Soraka
Summoner Spell 1: Clairvoyance
Summoner Spell 2: Flash

Boots: Ninja Tabi

Item 1: Quicksilver Sash
Item 2: Phantom Dancer
Item 3: Zeal
Item 4: Force of Nature
Item 5: Trinity Force

movespeed soraka OP.

Iplaythings

Denmark9110 Posts

March 22 2011 16:59 GMT

#10219

Character: Malphite
Summoner Spell 1: Ignite
Summoner Spell 2: Clarity

Boots: Boots of Swiftness

Item 1: Catalyst the Protector
Item 2: Glacial Shroud
Item 3: Force of Nature
Item 4: Phantom Dancer
Item 5: Warmog's Armor

Wtf this isnt troll.. But its still pretty funny for a potential TL inhouse :D

Flakes

United States3125 Posts

March 22 2011 17:03 GMT

#10220

On March 23 2011 01:59 Iplaythings wrote:
Character: Malphite
Summoner Spell 1: Ignite
Summoner Spell 2: Clarity

Boots: Boots of Swiftness

Item 1: Catalyst the Protector
Item 2: Glacial Shroud
Item 3: Force of Nature
Item 4: Phantom Dancer
Item 5: Warmog's Armor

Wtf this isnt troll.. But its still pretty funny for a potential TL inhouse :D

Omg ur right, this is even better than ARAM recommended items only