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Ramiz1989
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
Uh just landed on the bad side of Support matchmaking with Nova. Tassadar vs Brightwing/ Reghar. BW always saw me and dehided me even out of vision. Didn't played anywhere near that level of Nova tracking in every other regard. Our team was doing really good though. Their comp had such a good sustain and no one cared about Zagaras tumors. That they always took fights near our boss and I could get pick offs. While well our Gazlow knew about the Immortals weakness. Wonder if the boss will get a shield soon when no hero is close to him. I personally really like that you can throw minions at the Immortal that get ignored. But its Blizzard, no finer knowledge of something shall give an advantage. I also really like that they hit like a truck once in lane, but die so super fast. | ||
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Perseverance
Japan2800 Posts
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zodijackyl1
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
But Sylvanas is just the wrong hero for possession. Maybe if she had no talents against minions it would be something. Because without those she has a pretty bad waveclear. Did win with it against an Abathur though. But our team was ahead by the time 10 hit. Was less funny then I expected but still canceled out Aba pushing. | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
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Valiver
Caldeum1977 Posts
On July 05 2015 05:25 Roe wrote: I can't decide if I want Falstad or not. I really want an assassin that's a bit more unique and flavourful (especially one that's mobile on big maps) but he's just so vulnerable and volatile. I feel like I just can't stay in the battle or I get instagibbed. As far as casters go he's the one with the most mobility really, but as an auto-attacker he is squishier than others. So it just depends on how you want to play him. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45341 Posts
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On July 05 2015 08:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: If I'm Zeratul and being charged by The Butcher, how do I escape? Because I've tried blinking away, hitting him first with my singularity spike, going through smoke, running behind walls, and even mounting and galloping but nothing seems to cancel his ruthless onslaught. As soon as I hear "Fresh Meat!", I know I'm about to be chased down and auto-stunned (and hope that I don't get combo'ed/ ganked as a result). What I've started doing to attempt to minimize damage is to basically take the hit and try to blink away asap *after* I get hit, but I'd much rather not get hit in the first place. (And obviously I'm not gonna waste VP on only him.) You can't really evade Butcher's charge. He will hit you and if you are on low hp, or if he timed his Furnace Blast ulti perfectly, you are just dead. On the other hand, if you Blink after the stun, he can't really catch you. Played Butcher quite a lot, and if Zeratul uses blink the moment Butcher's stun ends, he will escape before Butcher's manage to get Lamb to the Slaughter ulti on him. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45341 Posts
On July 05 2015 09:16 Ramiz1989 wrote: You can't really evade Butcher's charge. He will hit you and if you are on low hp, or if he timed his Furnace Blast ulti perfectly, you are just dead. On the other hand, if you Blink after the stun, he can't really catch you. Played Butcher quite a lot, and if Zeratul uses blink the moment Butcher's stun ends, he will escape before Butcher's manage to get Lamb to the Slaughter ulti on him. Okay thanks, I just feel like that's kind of bullshit. I've been trying to steer clear of him in the early game by just staying in a different lane (much like when I see a Brightwing so I don't get poly'ed), but sometimes The Butcher just happens to be in smoke or traveling around and I can't do much lol | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On July 05 2015 09:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Okay thanks, I just feel like that's kind of bullshit. I've been trying to steer clear of him in the early game by just staying in a different lane (much like when I see a Brightwing so I don't get poly'ed), but sometimes The Butcher just happens to be in smoke or traveling around and I can't do much lol Zeratul actually can win Butcher in the lane if it is 1v1. The thing is, you can always burst half of his HP down with Q and W, and start retreating, he won't be able to hit you, just with his Q which does pitiful damage at the start, so he won't be able to heal. If he charges you, just blink over the walls or even let him stun you near your towers so he takes few extra hits from them. If he uses his mark then, I am pretty positive that he can't outheal your auto-attacks + towers, let alone your spells. If Butcher took Victuals on level 1, you will probably have a lot tougher time in lane as his sustain is great with it but still same applies, until level 10 he can't burst you as much as you can burst him down. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On July 05 2015 08:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: If I'm Zeratul and being charged by The Butcher, how do I escape? Because I've tried blinking away, hitting him first with my singularity spike, going through smoke, running behind walls, and even mounting and galloping but nothing seems to cancel his ruthless onslaught. As soon as I hear "Fresh Meat!", I know I'm about to be chased down and auto-stunned (and hope that I don't get combo'ed/ ganked as a result). What I've started doing to attempt to minimize damage is to basically take the hit and try to blink away asap *after* I get hit, but I'd much rather not get hit in the first place. (And obviously I'm not gonna waste VP on only him.) Butcher can't be stopped by anything except for your team's gates. Yea, it's stupid. The only way to counter Butcher is teamwork. He can pretty much 1v1 any hero in the game, and I frequently see him 1v2 heroes. If you've going to get charged, make sure you're with teammates, and then Blink away right after he stuns you so the rest of your team can take him out. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45341 Posts
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Ej_
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On July 05 2015 21:03 Ej_ wrote: Hey TLV players, what do you take on Lv1 now? Is Viking Bribery worth taking over Olaf the Stout? I mean sure the survivability isn't that useful, but it helps me when I fuck up and being able to stack only 2 bribes on a hero that probably farms much more sounds kind of meh... The reason why Bribe is great on them is because they can do more with it than other heroes can. What I am trying to say is that with other heroes that have Bribe you still have to go to the camp and use it on Mercs, in which case you can just waste 10 more seconds and kill Mercs anyway. But with Vikings you can just go with Erik and steal their camp in the middle of nowhere while your other 2 Vikings are pushing or doing another camp. Haven't played them that much after the nerf, but Explosive Attacks or Viking Bribery are the ones that I've been picking from game to game and Viking Bribery turned out to be the most useful. Olaf the Stout is quite solid but Olaf is so slow that he will probably going to die anyway. On July 05 2015 13:50 Stratos_speAr wrote: Butcher can't be stopped by anything except for your team's gates. Yea, it's stupid. The only way to counter Butcher is teamwork. He can pretty much 1v1 any hero in the game, and I frequently see him 1v2 heroes. If you've going to get charged, make sure you're with teammates, and then Blink away right after he stuns you so the rest of your team can take him out. Butcher can also be stopped if you move far away from him if he is charging, as he still has his "leash" range while in charge. If you are using Hearthstone and Butcher charges you on the last second, he won't continue to charge you through the whole map. Likewise if you charge someone with few Blinks, they can escape before they get hit. Valla using 2x Vault + Bolt of the Storm. I can't remember which hero but someone stopped my charge with the move like that, blinking out of range just after I've charged him and I've just stopped in place. | ||
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Odoakar
Croatia1837 Posts
https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/3c78bb/maphack_enables_targeted_abilities_on_heroes/ Really a shame, was enjoying the competitive aspect, but if blizz doesn't do anything about this, and they won't, what's the point of playing? | ||
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[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
I made that post because I got fed up. One guy post about map hacks and suddenly everyone in b.net and reddit start to say they just played against a map hacker and start to blame their loses on them...it's ridiculous and its being blown out of proportion. It is a problem, but its not game breaking, I bet not even 1% of the playerbase map hack or even know this exist. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
Butcher is really scary if you like to roam or be a bit away from the rest. I think its nice to have an anti poke hero. And every Melee Assassin has close up to the enemy spells. Melee is hard to balance and they decided to have melees be able to close up the distance. Or just play Zagara. Easiest Maw target ever, not even I miss that big thing charging at me. | ||
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Mnemic
Botswana80 Posts
On July 06 2015 04:14 Odoakar wrote: So it seems good old sc maphack is present in this game too https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/3c78bb/maphack_enables_targeted_abilities_on_heroes/ Really a shame, was enjoying the competitive aspect, but if blizz doesn't do anything about this, and they won't, what's the point of playing? But it doesn't have the same effect since competitive sc is 1v1 while hots is 5v5. Sure, the whole team could get it but thats like screaming "we are scrubs, ban us". We could analyze the whole sport scene from football, MMA to athletics etc.. in every single one of them you could find "cheaters" and yet they are still popular. Counter Strike has cheaters and its still popular, people are still playing. If you dont find a game fun just because there is a chance you might encounter a hacker/cheater then you should probably skip A LOT of games/sports. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
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