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Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
August 06 2015 03:11 GMT
#341
I'm not a l33t player but I was doing alright, except I didn't feel like I could snipe the core and they disagreed.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
MotherFox
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1529 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-06 20:53:06
August 06 2015 18:50 GMT
#342
It took a 12 game winning streak and a 1,000+ MMR climb from some very bad initial placement matches, but I finally got to silver on hero league. Gold, here I come!
Don't Panic
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-07 16:27:05
August 07 2015 16:25 GMT
#343
Medic hero should be awesome (+medivac too!) although she looks a bit too big and bulky
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
August 08 2015 05:08 GMT
#344
On a 5-0 run with Thrall right now, and I'm doing serious work with him in each game. I suspect that he's much better than people give him credit for. I also suspect that he's going to see a lot more play as two-warrior comps become more popular.
Yoav
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1874 Posts
August 08 2015 14:36 GMT
#345
I've found Thrall consistently good. That said, I'm nowhere near your level and my understanding was that higher up people can shut him down hard with stuns. That not true?
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
August 08 2015 19:58 GMT
#346
On August 08 2015 23:36 Yoav wrote:
I've found Thrall consistently good. That said, I'm nowhere near your level and my understanding was that higher up people can shut him down hard with stuns. That not true?

Sort of, but it's easier said than done. I think that blinds are more dangerous for him than stuns, personally.
renlynn
Profile Joined May 2011
United States276 Posts
August 08 2015 23:18 GMT
#347
I hope they base the medic off the SC2 one, because a cranky sarcastic healer would be pretty much perfect.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
August 09 2015 23:43 GMT
#348
hmm slowly there is a bot problem at night in coop. Often got one bot on my team. But I guess the issue will die down if it gets out of hand lol. Blizzards bots base trade strategie superior to the farm bots lol.
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
August 10 2015 13:24 GMT
#349
On August 08 2015 14:08 xDaunt wrote:
On a 5-0 run with Thrall right now, and I'm doing serious work with him in each game. I suspect that he's much better than people give him credit for. I also suspect that he's going to see a lot more play as two-warrior comps become more popular.



Huge burst, some utility, whats not to like?

Try him in PainTrain triple melee comps, it's insanely fun.
shaGuar :: elemeNt :: XeqtR :: naikon :: method
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
August 10 2015 18:15 GMT
#350
On August 08 2015 14:08 xDaunt wrote:
On a 5-0 run with Thrall right now, and I'm doing serious work with him in each game. I suspect that he's much better than people give him credit for. I also suspect that he's going to see a lot more play as two-warrior comps become more popular.


It's kind of funny how hard you've been championing Thrall. Even before the nerfs you said he was god-tier when no one would play him. And after nerfs? You still think he's top-tier =p.

On a more productive note, I was reading about how Thrall suffers from slow auto-attack animations that can be canceled, which doesn't really happen with other heroes (I heard Rehgar is the only one). I wonder if that effects his popularity as stutter stepping to stay on target or weaving auto's between spells for follow-through just doesn't work as well/easily on Thrall. Could be like Anub'arak and his painfully delayed skillshots, once those were fixed (and his Beetle AI) then suddenly he wasn't garbage anymore. But the interesting thing is, people who were used to his idiosyncrasies did just fine pre-buff (I recall Anub was often top win-rate in hotslogs Masters pre-nerf but with very few games played).

Maybe Thrall's in the same situation with you and the general public?
MotherFox
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1529 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-10 18:48:56
August 10 2015 18:40 GMT
#351
the Thrall animations will be fixed soon, according to blue posts on reddit.



Blizzard wrote:
Hijacking top comment to step in and mention that we were aware of these issues for Thrall and have a couple of fixes coming with the next patch that should help his Basic Attacks feel more responsive -especially when stutter stepping.
As for Rehgar, we're currently investigating.

src: https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/3gdzdi/thrall_auto_attack_clippingcancelling/
Don't Panic
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
August 10 2015 21:52 GMT
#352
On August 11 2015 03:15 Wuster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2015 14:08 xDaunt wrote:
On a 5-0 run with Thrall right now, and I'm doing serious work with him in each game. I suspect that he's much better than people give him credit for. I also suspect that he's going to see a lot more play as two-warrior comps become more popular.


It's kind of funny how hard you've been championing Thrall. Even before the nerfs you said he was god-tier when no one would play him. And after nerfs? You still think he's top-tier =p.

On a more productive note, I was reading about how Thrall suffers from slow auto-attack animations that can be canceled, which doesn't really happen with other heroes (I heard Rehgar is the only one). I wonder if that effects his popularity as stutter stepping to stay on target or weaving auto's between spells for follow-through just doesn't work as well/easily on Thrall. Could be like Anub'arak and his painfully delayed skillshots, once those were fixed (and his Beetle AI) then suddenly he wasn't garbage anymore. But the interesting thing is, people who were used to his idiosyncrasies did just fine pre-buff (I recall Anub was often top win-rate in hotslogs Masters pre-nerf but with very few games played).

Maybe Thrall's in the same situation with you and the general public?

Release Thrall was god tier. When you can hit a button and do 2k damage AND heal for 2k at the same time, AND THAT BUTTON IS ON LIKE A 3 SEC COOLDOWN, that's retarded OP.

As for where Thrall is now, I wouldn't put him top tier. I do think that he is badly undervalued given that most people presently consider him garbage tier. If you need someone to chew through tanks for you, Thrall is your man.

The animation fix to Thrall will help, but I wouldn't consider it critical. What he could use are some changes that lower his mana consumption and the cooldown on his W. A slight health boost could be in order too, but I wouldn't change him otherwise.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
August 17 2015 00:07 GMT
#353
Does Sonya really have no dance yet ? or is it a bug / issue on my end ? I just stand there and look cool. And wow Sonya is fun with rage ult.
MotherFox
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1529 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-17 07:26:30
August 17 2015 05:36 GMT
#354
so excited for ptr patch
Don't Panic
Slayer92
Profile Joined March 2015
29 Posts
August 17 2015 08:32 GMT
#355
On August 08 2015 14:08 xDaunt wrote:
On a 5-0 run with Thrall right now, and I'm doing serious work with him in each game. I suspect that he's much better than people give him credit for. I also suspect that he's going to see a lot more play as two-warrior comps become more popular.

A lot of heroes in this game are much better than people give them credit for. That's just how it goes with online games, parrots and sheep.
Garsecg
Profile Joined September 2014
United States129 Posts
August 17 2015 11:22 GMT
#356
On August 17 2015 17:32 Slayer92 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2015 14:08 xDaunt wrote:
On a 5-0 run with Thrall right now, and I'm doing serious work with him in each game. I suspect that he's much better than people give him credit for. I also suspect that he's going to see a lot more play as two-warrior comps become more popular.

A lot of heroes in this game are much better than people give them credit for. That's just how it goes with online games, parrots and sheep.


Another thing I think people don't consider is that in general a relatively poor hero played by a skilled player will come out ahead of a relatively powerful hero played by a less skilled player, especially since HotS is a game largely made of making good decisions and finding the best way to contribute to your team (which doesn't necessarily mean killing enemy heroes).

Slayer92
Profile Joined March 2015
29 Posts
August 17 2015 13:57 GMT
#357
On August 17 2015 20:22 Garsecg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2015 17:32 Slayer92 wrote:
On August 08 2015 14:08 xDaunt wrote:
On a 5-0 run with Thrall right now, and I'm doing serious work with him in each game. I suspect that he's much better than people give him credit for. I also suspect that he's going to see a lot more play as two-warrior comps become more popular.

A lot of heroes in this game are much better than people give them credit for. That's just how it goes with online games, parrots and sheep.


Another thing I think people don't consider is that in general a relatively poor hero played by a skilled player will come out ahead of a relatively powerful hero played by a less skilled player, especially since HotS is a game largely made of making good decisions and finding the best way to contribute to your team (which doesn't necessarily mean killing enemy heroes).


That along with certain picks being better/worse on certain maps and fitting into/against certain teams better than others.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
August 17 2015 15:24 GMT
#358
On August 17 2015 22:57 Slayer92 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2015 20:22 Garsecg wrote:
On August 17 2015 17:32 Slayer92 wrote:
On August 08 2015 14:08 xDaunt wrote:
On a 5-0 run with Thrall right now, and I'm doing serious work with him in each game. I suspect that he's much better than people give him credit for. I also suspect that he's going to see a lot more play as two-warrior comps become more popular.

A lot of heroes in this game are much better than people give them credit for. That's just how it goes with online games, parrots and sheep.


Another thing I think people don't consider is that in general a relatively poor hero played by a skilled player will come out ahead of a relatively powerful hero played by a less skilled player, especially since HotS is a game largely made of making good decisions and finding the best way to contribute to your team (which doesn't necessarily mean killing enemy heroes).


That along with certain picks being better/worse on certain maps and fitting into/against certain teams better than others.

Unfortunately, there are very, very few players who grasp this concept. Even at Rank 1, I still find myself shaking my head in disbelief at some of the stupid picks that I see.
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
August 17 2015 15:41 GMT
#359
On August 17 2015 17:32 Slayer92 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2015 14:08 xDaunt wrote:
On a 5-0 run with Thrall right now, and I'm doing serious work with him in each game. I suspect that he's much better than people give him credit for. I also suspect that he's going to see a lot more play as two-warrior comps become more popular.

A lot of heroes in this game are much better than people give them credit for. That's just how it goes with online games, parrots and sheep.


I think people are quite honest in regards to balancing. Warriors like Chen, Sonya and Diablo have not seen any play for a long time now. Obviously every patch-cycle creates a new FoTM-pool where some heroes are left out, but it's just insane how slowly Blizzard reacts to these sorts of problems. It's one thing to adjust OP heroes but that doesn't entitle them to just ditch certain heroes for 6+ months.
hi
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
August 17 2015 17:47 GMT
#360
I dunno, I think the meta has a lot to do with why they don't jump to adjust heroes that aren't seeing play.

I distinctly remember when Thrall came out, people debated if he was OP or not (and his numbers could be *insane* and he was tearing up QM), but he was released during a meta where Illidan was completely unplayable, so as a melee assassin he just didn't see play (but Thrall got nerfed anyways). The meta shifted and Illidan became first pick material without any adjustments from Blizz.

Likewise, Chen was seeing periods of play after his nerfs both as solo and second tank along with periods where he just wasn't played. He disappeared again once Johanna came out. Is he going to come back again like in the past (or like Arthas has resurrected himself) or is he too overshadowed by Johanna? Which hero really needs an adjustment in that case?

Falstad was thrown away after his rework, but now a days (~6 months later) is seeing quite a bit of play as another example. Oh, don't forget Jaina was starting to pick up popularity around the time Blizzard buffed the crap out of her and now she's first pick material. So I very much understand why Blizzard is slow on the trigger. Especially since new heroes every month always shakes things up.
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