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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
January 20 2016 20:18 GMT
#1461
we have a good abathur comp being made on Cursed Hollow looks nice and all

then the silent guy locks in Nova, throws the comp off, we end up with a shitty team, we play poorly and Nova also blows

we get stomped
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44103 Posts
January 21 2016 00:02 GMT
#1462
On January 21 2016 05:18 Ej_ wrote:
we have a good abathur comp being made on Cursed Hollow looks nice and all

then the silent guy locks in Nova, throws the comp off, we end up with a shitty team, we play poorly and Nova also blows

we get stomped


That sucks x.x What maps are generally best for Nova? In BoE there are enough smokescreens and halls and walls in the center that she can be a real pain in the ass to chase, especially during team fights.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
sM.Zik
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2547 Posts
January 21 2016 00:43 GMT
#1463
^Nova doesnt rely as much on map, but a lot more on team comp. She's a bad pick if you don't have a lot of lane presence on your team, for example. Also not the best vs double tank comp. She shine the best vs lots of squishies obviously.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44103 Posts
January 21 2016 01:51 GMT
#1464
Okay thanks
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-21 02:28:04
January 21 2016 02:22 GMT
#1465
My buddy and I queued up on Towers of Doom and he had Nova with a dream comp to play against in QM. They had Valla, Murky, and Jaina with Monk and Diablo to round it out I think. I felt bad for the ten death Jaina. That was QM luck for us though.

I would say that Spider Queen is probably her worst map though, or a bad map by gut feeling. Hotslogs doesn't back that up though across all leagues.

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Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 21 2016 06:44 GMT
#1466
I find garden of terror a pretty nice map for nova. (~270 games of nova, ~40 on terror, ~70% winrate)

Mainly because of the amount of locations where you can abuse holo for visibility over a wall / sightblocker and go for snipes in which it's basically impossible to get to you even if they'll realize where the shot came from.
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-21 07:06:32
January 21 2016 07:06 GMT
#1467
On January 21 2016 11:22 ThomasjServo wrote:
My buddy and I queued up on Towers of Doom and he had Nova with a dream comp to play against in QM. They had Valla, Murky, and Jaina with Monk and Diablo to round it out I think. I felt bad for the ten death Jaina. That was QM luck for us though.

I would say that Spider Queen is probably her worst map though, or a bad map by gut feeling. Hotslogs doesn't back that up though across all leagues.

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It's better to use Master League stats for hero viability since there are a lot of bad Novas below that level that skew the statistics. For Master League, Tomb is the third best Nova map after Towers of Doom and Cursed Hollows, which makes sense since the map has very quick rotations, allowing Nova to hop between lanes constantly and pressure all lanes instead of spending time moving between lanes.
Leolio
Profile Joined April 2012
France633 Posts
January 21 2016 08:28 GMT
#1468
On January 21 2016 09:02 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2016 05:18 Ej_ wrote:
we have a good abathur comp being made on Cursed Hollow looks nice and all

then the silent guy locks in Nova, throws the comp off, we end up with a shitty team, we play poorly and Nova also blows

we get stomped


That sucks x.x What maps are generally best for Nova? In BoE there are enough smokescreens and halls and walls in the center that she can be a real pain in the ass to chase, especially during team fights.


I was main Nova until I realized people are too dumb to adjust their playstyle to you so now I pick her only 20% of the time (that's still 500 HL games) and I feel 4 maps are great for Nova:

1. BlackHearts Bay (I have 67% win rate)
Plenty of use for a roamer. If you can give your team vision on the other team's whereabouts you win the game. You give vision on the pirate which is very important too.
Also easy to pick bad positionned heroes in fight (they fight 5v4 on pirate spot and you're below the smoke on the opponents's side trying to make some kills).

2. Dragon Shire (59% wr)
This map is basically "roam all day until a team loses all 3 lanes at once". Roam all day, ping wherever you go and participate to kills.

3. Tomb of the Spider Queen (62% wr)
Very small space between lanes so you roam, roam, roam and switch lanes very easily and quickly, and again try to get some kills.

Since the past month I mostly picked Nova on these 3 maps and I have 80% winrate. My only issue is that if we kill too much people in lane people start feeling overconfident and play like retards.

4. Tower of Doom (37% wr)
I suck at this map (and don't use Nova on it as I can't figure out what to do to really outplay the opponents), but the master stats are clear, it's a good Nova map.

Garden of Terror is a decent Nova map too BTW.

If a map requires too much sustained fights (Battlefield) or requires you to snipe in minion-crowded objectives (Temples, Shrines) you'll have a hard time. Needless to say from rank 50 to 10 you can pretty much pick her all the time if you know what you're doing, and as long as you only pick her 1st on Dragon/Spider since they cannot counter you until it's too late.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-21 16:35:09
January 21 2016 16:04 GMT
#1469
fuck yeah rank 15 from rank 12, about to drop to 16 if i lose this game. Fucking love that the more i lose the bigger fucking idiots i get,

Last game was a chronic disaster, from a terrible draft to literally everybody but me playing like shit. GP/Pyro Kaelthas who facechecked chokes, flanking Azmo, facecheck Rehgar and tank Arthas

its just a fucking mess games around rank 13 were enjoyable even when i was losing, when you start getting ranks 18 and lower it feels like preschool


edit: rank 16 achieved as the team of domestic inbreads decides to do a lv20 camp in face of our opponents and then they all sit in the fucking choke, with our solo support DPS tyrande (SM starfire nexus frenzy, dedicated kind of fucking moron) upfront. we had twice the kils and i had not died once that game. then we lost. fucking moorns i hope all fucking of them never touch the game again
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Leolio
Profile Joined April 2012
France633 Posts
January 22 2016 09:18 GMT
#1470
Is it me or is QM awful these days? Got lots of toxicity this week. The best was yesterday, we play on Towers, all my team dead except 30% life Diablo. 3 ennemies on the Tower, it was the first or second objective so no big deal.
He goes and suicides like a moron.
I spawn, go there but notice it's still 1v3 as Diablo suicided. So I get in the lane. Then, you all guessed it, Diablo starts flaming "OBJECTIVE! NOOB! DENY IT!" and things like that. So I try to explain to him that it'd be useless but no he was in idiot mode and starts being more and more toxic. So I block him, and his friend Tyrande who of course supported him, and I tell them they're muted so they don't waste time typing.

But then I decide to go troll mode, teasing them all game with "GG" everytime we get an objective, saying "it's lost now" everytime we win a fight... I couldn't get their reply so it was very fun. Sometimes I would see them iddle, probably typing. :-)

The game was an easy win. Of course both weren't HL players at all, just idiots with a very small understanding of the game.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44103 Posts
January 22 2016 11:22 GMT
#1471
When the first two draft picks on your HL team are Lunara and Murky, and the Murky is afk for the first six minutes...
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4782 Posts
January 22 2016 11:26 GMT
#1472
On January 22 2016 18:18 Leolio wrote:
Is it me or is QM awful these days? Got lots of toxicity this week. The best was yesterday, we play on Towers, all my team dead except 30% life Diablo. 3 ennemies on the Tower, it was the first or second objective so no big deal.
He goes and suicides like a moron.
I spawn, go there but notice it's still 1v3 as Diablo suicided. So I get in the lane. Then, you all guessed it, Diablo starts flaming "OBJECTIVE! NOOB! DENY IT!" and things like that. So I try to explain to him that it'd be useless but no he was in idiot mode and starts being more and more toxic. So I block him, and his friend Tyrande who of course supported him, and I tell them they're muted so they don't waste time typing.

But then I decide to go troll mode, teasing them all game with "GG" everytime we get an objective, saying "it's lost now" everytime we win a fight... I couldn't get their reply so it was very fun. Sometimes I would see them iddle, probably typing. :-)

The game was an easy win. Of course both weren't HL players at all, just idiots with a very small understanding of the game.


Countering toxicity with more toxicity is not really going to improve the overall gameplay experience for anyone - as much as I completely and utterly understand the allure in doing so! I think QM is pretty much the same as always though - although the range in MMR seemed to increase a bit following the S5 release of Diablo 3 leading to some more lopsided games.

On a sidenote: I thought that when you "mute" a player it actually blocks all communication with them - i.e. they can't see what you write?
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44103 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-22 11:37:05
January 22 2016 11:36 GMT
#1473
On January 22 2016 18:18 Leolio wrote:
Is it me or is QM awful these days? Got lots of toxicity this week. The best was yesterday, we play on Towers, all my team dead except 30% life Diablo. 3 ennemies on the Tower, it was the first or second objective so no big deal.
He goes and suicides like a moron.
I spawn, go there but notice it's still 1v3 as Diablo suicided. So I get in the lane. Then, you all guessed it, Diablo starts flaming "OBJECTIVE! NOOB! DENY IT!" and things like that. So I try to explain to him that it'd be useless but no he was in idiot mode and starts being more and more toxic. So I block him, and his friend Tyrande who of course supported him, and I tell them they're muted so they don't waste time typing.

But then I decide to go troll mode, teasing them all game with "GG" everytime we get an objective, saying "it's lost now" everytime we win a fight... I couldn't get their reply so it was very fun. Sometimes I would see them iddle, probably typing. :-)

The game was an easy win. Of course both weren't HL players at all, just idiots with a very small understanding of the game.


I would have just said "sry cant do 1v3, need exp plz soak lanes" or something else short and sweet. I rarely get persistent backtalk if I say something like that, and if I do then I just ignore the hate and play my game. Adding fuel to the fire with counter-trolling only makes things worse imo.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Furinax
Profile Joined December 2015
Netherlands75 Posts
January 22 2016 12:48 GMT
#1474
Team Liquid adds Jowe, Shad for first EU preliminary tournament
http://www.thescoreesports.com/hots/news/5806

Rage!
Why do we have to read this on a news website instead of the TL site itself?

(It's no rage against the new players of course :-) )
Leolio
Profile Joined April 2012
France633 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-22 14:30:49
January 22 2016 14:25 GMT
#1475
DarkPlasmaBall & Ghostcom: yup, I'm a bit of a jerk these days. ^^ Maybe it's not QM these days but it's me.

I know it doesn't help the game but it helps feel better about idiots. Probably the good reaction is to not even talk and mute immediately (CarlTheLlama would tell us to not try to coach teammates in solo queue).

So, I guess I have to give up my new game "Guys, everyone drinks each time Diablo suicides." ? It was funny typing "aaaand everyone drinks" each time he died.

I'll try to just mute people in QM, or disable ally chat from start. Because trolling 2 idiots is great, but 2 other guys had to play with 3 assholes and that's not fair to them.

edit: or we all do the "Everyone drinks each time X suicides" game ? It will make QM a better please for our children. Maybe.
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
January 22 2016 14:40 GMT
#1476
Sometimes i wonder why i even have team chat on. In very rare situations you hear something constuctive or a player is positive in his attitude, but its so rare.
98-99% its negativity that doesnt contribute anything.

I still dont understand why ppl can spam ping either, thats so annoying.

Lately i have been to involved with what ppl write or do so i have played much worse. Down a rank.
I play much better if i just ignore what ppl say 100%. Maybe i block but thats it.
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
January 22 2016 14:59 GMT
#1477
Ping spam is kind of a neccessary annoyance. I do wish there was a way to say nevermind with it, or forget it explicitly rather than with the retreat option.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
January 23 2016 01:20 GMT
#1478
I want a Jaina whoops ping now !
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44103 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-23 02:55:07
January 23 2016 01:44 GMT
#1479
Solo queue in HL -> Have a great game -> Ally up with the other 4 teammates for next game -> 1 leaves party -> Literally not allowed to queue HL/TL with parties of 4 or 3 -.-' Such a fucking stupid rule.

Edit: I get that it's for MMR reasons. Still annoyed.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
January 23 2016 04:53 GMT
#1480
I've taken to linking people to this when they are being toxic and acting like they're right and everyone else is a noob etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

I've noticed the worst of it in QM coming from a very specific type of player - the one who has played ~1000 games, and is around rank 35 in HL.
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
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