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Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
June 02 2015 05:44 GMT
#8521
Just hit Rank 1 right before release. #swag
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
June 02 2015 08:27 GMT
#8522
On June 02 2015 04:56 Luiwtf wrote:
Mechano-spider requires some facebook BS .



Lol, i was so ready to throw money at that mount and now they make it free through BS. I call BS :<
hi
Luiwtf
Profile Joined January 2011
England217 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-02 09:12:39
June 02 2015 09:12 GMT
#8523
Idd, I'd have happily paid for the mount, having to use my sisters FB account to get it now instead :/.

Edit: It's just getting stuck half way through atm .
Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
June 02 2015 10:22 GMT
#8524
So a few hours ago we played a QM as a no-support comp vs Rehgar. :S I know the rule doesn't apply to a full party, but we were just 4. :S
Luiwtf
Profile Joined January 2011
England217 Posts
June 02 2015 10:24 GMT
#8525
They haven't added the rule to EU yet, have they?
Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
June 02 2015 10:49 GMT
#8526
On June 02 2015 19:24 Luiwtf wrote:
They haven't added the rule to EU yet, have they?

Ofc they did, it was 2 weeks ago http://eu.battle.net/heroes/en/forum/topic/14628454245#1

Actually I didn't remember the "under most circumstances" clause... still, we had a 30 seconds queue time.
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4121 Posts
June 02 2015 16:52 GMT
#8527
Hey. I stopped playing the game thanks to the awesome matchmaking (I was rank 1, top5 hotslog at some point and I was matched with ranks 40+ or sometimes people with 20games in QM). Can anyone tell me if the matchmaking has gotten better for solo players or if they have any plan to change it ? For now I just clear my dailies vs AI to get gold.
[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
June 02 2015 17:12 GMT
#8528
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/heroes/486722-new-blizzard-blog-about-future-changes-in-ranked

There you go

Also apart from that it seems the matchmaking has stabilized a little because I've been playing tons of hero league recently and most of my team mates/enemies are around the same rank.
WriterTeamLiquid Staff writer since 2014 @Mortal_Phantom
Ritha
Profile Joined October 2009
United States29 Posts
June 02 2015 17:32 GMT
#8529
You know what is funny? I'm seeing literally the exact opposite side of everyone else's match making complaint complaint.

Yesterday I was rank 45, 9 games played (7-2) of Hero League. I played 3 games.
-First game was a Malfurion win that I found easy due to comboing my CC with Kerrigan for easy picks and engages. The game had multiple rank 1s with master MMR according to hotslogs in it, I got 460 league points and hopped to rank 43.

-Second game I played Brightwing and it felt like the lowest skill game of the day. No one would tell me what their ranks were, but most people were 2700-3000 MMR on hotslogs. Which is theoretically diamond? Dunno, felt like a silver level LoL game. Was kinda sad. But I got 480 points and jumped to rank 40.

-Third game was another Brightwing game, where I shut down the enemy Illidan so hard he got the lowest hero damage on his team. This game had multiple players above 3500 MMR including one opponent in the top 150 players. I was shutting the Illidan down so hard that the game was easy. I got another 460 points and hopped to rank 38.


Rank 1 players don't seem particularly good compared to, say, Diamond LoL players. I guess coming from a pretty high skill LoL background and playing enough Quick Match games to know the heroes and maps makes me better than what Blizzard claims should be 98% of players? Was pretty funny revealing to my rank 1 team mates that I was rank 45 after an easy win that I was a large part of making happen. As far as I can tell, MMR is just super crazy weighted for your first large chunk of Hero League games, so rocking an 80%+ win rate shot me through the roof as to where Blizzard thinks I should be. Fun times.
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
June 02 2015 17:56 GMT
#8530
From what I remember about SC2, they seed your MMR when you start playing a new mode. ie. if you're Master in 1v1 when you play 2v2 you'll start off matched against high MMR people, but if you start losing, your MMR will drop *very* quickly.

I can only assume that's what happens with Hero League and was part of the motivation for gating it at lvl 30 - force ppl to play enough Quick Match to seed that initial Hero League MMR. Probably why they resisted putting in placement games too.

The system clearly thinks you are very good because 460 league points is much more than I was getting when I was doing my climb from 40-35 or whatever I'm at now. Your initial rank doesn't really mean anything anyways, so I'm a little confused why people are so upset about playing with r40's, cuz it seems more likely that their MMR and rank haven't converged yet (as in your case).
[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-02 18:11:05
June 02 2015 18:10 GMT
#8531
To me, it seems the system gives way too much points at the beggining, having ranks 49 with ranks 1, and then it gives too few points later on.

The thing is, Ritha for example may be good enough to play with ranks 1, but a lot of people aren't, so if they go to hero league and for x reason win their first couple of games, they will get a very inflated MMR, and play with rank1s. Even if those rank 49 are mechanically good, they may not know all the heroes, they may not know everything about the maps. Experience and decition making plays a very big part in this game and those ranks 49 simply don't have that experience, which leads to bad games in general.

So that's why people are mad about playing with people from lower ranks, their MMR may be more or less the same as theirs, but it is inflated, and it may not reflect their true skill level until it balances out.

Also, I feel like you get "stuck" in an MMR range too fast, I haven't played that much hero league and I'm already winning too few points (in my opinion at least, cause I don't know how many points other people win at my rank). In my last 15 games I've got 13 victories, 10 of them in a row so it seems I'll still be able to keep going up on ranks, but it won't be that fast.
WriterTeamLiquid Staff writer since 2014 @Mortal_Phantom
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
June 02 2015 18:46 GMT
#8532
Well I guess I'm using the assumpion that those cases aren't just a result of loose MMR (ie starting from 0 jumping to 3k) but because it's seeded in some way.

Then again, that also assumes QM skills translate well to Hero League. And I can vouch that the learning curve for picking a good comp that also includes a hero you can play well (important!) can be quite steep for some people.
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2954 Posts
June 02 2015 21:22 GMT
#8533
Is the Diablo map available by now?
Or is Johanna the only new stuff for the release?
Luiwtf
Profile Joined January 2011
England217 Posts
June 02 2015 21:23 GMT
#8534
Posted in the launch thread, but may as well add the cross game rewards here too for anyone that hasn't seen them/know how to get them.

Ironside Dire Wolf mount (Heroes of the Storm mount) for getting level 100 in WoW.
HotS themed Hearthstone card back for getting account level 12 in HotS.
Grave Golem battle pet for WoW is apparently for account level 20 in HotS.
Launch week portrait is for the logging into HotS during launch week I guess.
The Hearthstone card mount is for winning 100 games in Hearthstone, although I don't think it's been confirmed whether it's retroactive or not.
The mechano-spider mount is for doing the FB crap at teambuilder.heroesofthestorm.com (you don't need to like it, even though it says you do, and it doesn't message anyone you pick as part of your team).

An active subscription to WoW isn't required. ATM I don't have the Hearthstone card mount, but do have the required wins, don't know whether it's laggy/bugged or not retroactive.
Luiwtf
Profile Joined January 2011
England217 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-02 21:26:51
June 02 2015 21:26 GMT
#8535
Winterveil stuff is available :o.

Me needs to get that snowman elemental for Jaina :D.
sM.Zik
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2550 Posts
June 02 2015 21:31 GMT
#8536
I think Johanna is out, we could pick her in my last HL game (obviously nobody had her yet).
Jaedong Fighting! | youtube.com/ZikGaming
Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
June 02 2015 21:36 GMT
#8537
Johanna has at least one good defensive talent in each tier :D

FreeZEternal
Profile Joined January 2003
Korea (South)3396 Posts
June 02 2015 21:42 GMT
#8538
she's way too good LOL
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 02 2015 21:45 GMT
#8539
Johanna's damage is pathetically low. She's strictly a CC/peel bot, but damn does she seem good at it.
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
June 02 2015 21:47 GMT
#8540
On June 03 2015 06:45 xDaunt wrote:
Johanna's damage is pathetically low. She's strictly a CC/peel bot, but damn does she seem good at it.


My initial impression from her previews vids was 'reverse ETC' would that be accurate?
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