• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:14
CEST 16:14
KST 23:14
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror4[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10
Community News
Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4)0SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup10StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026)77Weekly Cups (Sept 21-27): herO and ByuN double2Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple3
StarCraft 2
General
[Old] StarCraft 3 Reportedly in Development StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026) How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4) SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup
Tourneys
Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 GSTL Grand Finals Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 546 Catch the Train The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts Mutation # 544 Double Trouble
Brood War
General
Sagi.gg Launcher Released 20-year-old Valorant player starting StarCraft Bot on ladder BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Fantasy returning?
Tourneys
[ASL22] Semifinal B [ASL22] Semifinal A [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro8 Day 4
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Zero
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Dating: How's your luck? Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Escaping Into Video Games: G…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7571 users

Heroes Large General Thread - Page 429

Forum Index > Heroes of the Storm
9055 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 427 428 429 430 431 453 Next
Add yourself in the TL Player list if you want to play with TL people, and /join teamliquid channel ingame. Also check out the new Heroes Liquipedia.
DPK
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada487 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-04 22:05:29
June 04 2015 22:03 GMT
#8561
On June 05 2015 06:50 xDaunt wrote:
I'm shocked that people still haven't caught on to using Give 'em the Axe on Muradin. It's soooooo good. Screw Stoneform. Yeah, in highly organized play, I can see Muradins preferring it still. But for us solo-queuers, Give 'em the Axe turns Muradin into a beast that can carry shitty teams on his back.

This might sound like a dumb question but how someone is supposed to carry in HotS? I seriously fail to understand how a single person could make a shitty team win. I mean, I can understand that picking certain talents will make you more useful with a shitty team but carrying a whole team so that you end up winning?
Desire.Discipline.Dedication
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 04 2015 22:13 GMT
#8562
On June 05 2015 07:03 DPK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2015 06:50 xDaunt wrote:
I'm shocked that people still haven't caught on to using Give 'em the Axe on Muradin. It's soooooo good. Screw Stoneform. Yeah, in highly organized play, I can see Muradins preferring it still. But for us solo-queuers, Give 'em the Axe turns Muradin into a beast that can carry shitty teams on his back.

This might sound like a dumb question but how someone is supposed to carry in HotS? I seriously fail to understand how a single person could make a shitty team win. I mean, I can understand that picking certain talents will make you more useful with a shitty team but carrying a whole team so that you end up winning?

You carry by creating advantages for your team that reduce the probability of one or all of your teammates doing something stupid that costs them the game. There are a few ways to do this, but the most straightforward is to simply kill enemy team members. In order to do this, you must have a hero that actually poses a threat. Muradin, when specced properly, can pose such a threat. Combine your instrument of destruction with some heightened game sense and map awareness, and you'll be able to find and exploit opportunities to kill enemy team members, thereby carrying your team to victory (even if they don't really understand what you did).
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46499 Posts
June 04 2015 22:35 GMT
#8563
On June 04 2015 22:06 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Really nice interview of Chris Sigaty and Alan Dabiri.



they discuss
-its tough to hype a game that is in open beta
-the game will be continually improved and we/blizz has just begun
- making old replays work and groups/clans.
- the HotS team is growing
-changes to right-click
-a good UI mechanic providing a sensible explanation about why you died.
-improving the kick mechanic for AFK/useless players


Chris Sigaty is a god among men.


Awesome interview, especially from Sigaty. Makes me optimistic for the future, with hopes of clans/ teams, and them constantly keeping a pulse on what the community wants
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
June 04 2015 23:55 GMT
#8564
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/19529834/the-mayhem-begins-youtube-livestream-event-6-1-2015

This is what the launch party should have been! HYPE!!!
Valiver
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Caldeum1977 Posts
June 04 2015 23:57 GMT
#8565
On June 05 2015 08:55 Chairman Ray wrote:
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/19529834/the-mayhem-begins-youtube-livestream-event-6-1-2015

This is what the launch party should have been! HYPE!!!

I wonder if they planned that ahead of time or just came up with it because of the negative way the launch party was received.
Writer
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
June 05 2015 00:00 GMT
#8566
On June 05 2015 08:57 Valiver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2015 08:55 Chairman Ray wrote:
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/19529834/the-mayhem-begins-youtube-livestream-event-6-1-2015

This is what the launch party should have been! HYPE!!!

I wonder if they planned that ahead of time or just came up with it because of the negative way the launch party was received.


I don' think you can put something like this together in under a week. My guess is that London was too far for them to properly coordinate, or they just don't have the contacts in the European scene that they do in the NA scene (the proximity issue again).
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17906 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-05 03:23:27
June 05 2015 03:15 GMT
#8567
On June 05 2015 07:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2015 22:06 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Really nice interview of Chris Sigaty and Alan Dabiri.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyzQyJekDCc

they discuss
-its tough to hype a game that is in open beta
-the game will be continually improved and we/blizz has just begun
- making old replays work and groups/clans.
- the HotS team is growing
-changes to right-click
-a good UI mechanic providing a sensible explanation about why you died.
-improving the kick mechanic for AFK/useless players


Chris Sigaty is a god among men.


Awesome interview, especially from Sigaty. Makes me optimistic for the future, with hopes of clans/ teams, and them constantly keeping a pulse on what the community wants


and the interview should put an end to the "discussion" on page 419 and 420 about the SC2 and the HotS being the same team.
totally different processes require different teams.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Valiver
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Caldeum1977 Posts
June 05 2015 03:22 GMT
#8568
On June 05 2015 12:15 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2015 07:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On June 04 2015 22:06 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Really nice interview of Chris Sigaty and Alan Dabiri.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyzQyJekDCc

they discuss
-its tough to hype a game that is in open beta
-the game will be continually improved and we/blizz has just begun
- making old replays work and groups/clans.
- the HotS team is growing
-changes to right-click
-a good UI mechanic providing a sensible explanation about why you died.
-improving the kick mechanic for AFK/useless players


Chris Sigaty is a god among men.


Awesome interview, especially from Sigaty. Makes me optimistic for the future, with hopes of clans/ teams, and them constantly keeping a pulse on what the community wants


and the interview should put an end to the "discussion" on page 419 and 420 about SC2 and HotS being the same team.
totally different processes require different teams.

I think the fact that 2 weeks have passed since then more effectively put an end to that discussion than anything else.
Writer
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17906 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-05 03:27:00
June 05 2015 03:24 GMT
#8569
On June 05 2015 12:22 Valiver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2015 12:15 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On June 05 2015 07:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On June 04 2015 22:06 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Really nice interview of Chris Sigaty and Alan Dabiri.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyzQyJekDCc

they discuss
-its tough to hype a game that is in open beta
-the game will be continually improved and we/blizz has just begun
- making old replays work and groups/clans.
- the HotS team is growing
-changes to right-click
-a good UI mechanic providing a sensible explanation about why you died.
-improving the kick mechanic for AFK/useless players


Chris Sigaty is a god among men.


Awesome interview, especially from Sigaty. Makes me optimistic for the future, with hopes of clans/ teams, and them constantly keeping a pulse on what the community wants


and the interview should put an end to the "discussion" on page 419 and 420 about SC2 and HotS being the same team.
totally different processes require different teams.

I think the fact that 2 weeks have passed since then more effectively put an end to that discussion than anything else.


i like to pay attention to outcomes and this requires time... how are those toronto raptors doin'
Blizzard's biggest strength is their feedback loop with customers and this also requires paying attention to outcomes and the passage of time to see if what they did worked.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Valiver
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Caldeum1977 Posts
June 05 2015 03:32 GMT
#8570
On June 05 2015 12:24 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2015 12:22 Valiver wrote:
On June 05 2015 12:15 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On June 05 2015 07:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On June 04 2015 22:06 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Really nice interview of Chris Sigaty and Alan Dabiri.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyzQyJekDCc

they discuss
-its tough to hype a game that is in open beta
-the game will be continually improved and we/blizz has just begun
- making old replays work and groups/clans.
- the HotS team is growing
-changes to right-click
-a good UI mechanic providing a sensible explanation about why you died.
-improving the kick mechanic for AFK/useless players


Chris Sigaty is a god among men.


Awesome interview, especially from Sigaty. Makes me optimistic for the future, with hopes of clans/ teams, and them constantly keeping a pulse on what the community wants


and the interview should put an end to the "discussion" on page 419 and 420 about SC2 and HotS being the same team.
totally different processes require different teams.

I think the fact that 2 weeks have passed since then more effectively put an end to that discussion than anything else.


i like to pay attention to outcomes and this requires time... how are those toronto raptors doin'
Blizzard's biggest strength is their feedback loop with customers and this also requires paying attention to outcomes and the passage of time to see if what they did worked.

I had to google what sport that was and I don't understand how that's related at all.
Writer
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17906 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-05 03:40:37
June 05 2015 03:37 GMT
#8571
the hiring announcement in the interview also brings up something else:
Blizzard is great at hiring their competition's best people. With top management guys announcement they are hiring for HotS it'll be interesting to see if any of Riot's best guys end up on the HotS team.

having top management guys say "we're hiring" is a lot more emphatic than some anonymous generic posting on a job board.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
shin ken
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Germany614 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-05 08:30:24
June 05 2015 08:28 GMT
#8572
Sometimes I have up to a second lag in teamfights, when the game just derps out so I don't even think about playing illidan where I have to constantly move or brightwing where I have to press countless buttons on time.

What are the best characters for really slow computers?

And as even players with ancient PCs want to fulfill quests:

What are the best characters for really slow computers for each role and franchise?
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
June 05 2015 09:44 GMT
#8573
I would say don't play random team games were everyone is important.
But I would say Zagara might be something as long as you do well with your creep spread. On the other hand the creep might cause lag ? I guess in general heroes without burst and a bit of survivability would work.

Zagara/Hammer, Lili (you can hold down q and e probably with lag even), Mura, Autoattack Raynor ?
Azmodan would also be an idea, since in the best case you are allowed to farm all game for stacks.
Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-05 09:51:02
June 05 2015 09:49 GMT
#8574
generally speaking: characters w/o skillshots.

the best char would prob. be Li Li b/c all you have to do is hold Q (and E) and move. I think healers are generally better b/c you should stay out of the fight and your targets don't run away from you.
as Assassin Jaina with W and E and her watere ele autoattacks.
you should stay away from warriors b/c there not only the skill matter but also the positioning (body block) is highly important.
for specialists you could go murky (with proper egg placement) and abathur. maybe even azmodan, but he sucks.

E: and ofc: please save some money and buy a good PC. don't be that guy that lags out at the worst possible moments and ruins the game for your team.
Countdown to victory: 1 200!
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
June 05 2015 11:34 GMT
#8575
On June 05 2015 17:28 shin ken wrote:
Sometimes I have up to a second lag in teamfights, when the game just derps out so I don't even think about playing illidan where I have to constantly move or brightwing where I have to press countless buttons on time.

What are the best characters for really slow computers?

And as even players with ancient PCs want to fulfill quests:

What are the best characters for really slow computers for each role and franchise?

I assume you already checked but just in case: Have you made sure your graphics settings are turned down? I had issues until I bothered to check and saw the defaults were insane (I built a decent PC when D3 came out). Also the game has a habit of reverting to the default so even if you changed it previously you may want to check again.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Pwere
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1557 Posts
June 05 2015 12:36 GMT
#8576
On June 05 2015 17:28 shin ken wrote:
Sometimes I have up to a second lag in teamfights, when the game just derps out so I don't even think about playing illidan where I have to constantly move or brightwing where I have to press countless buttons on time.

What are the best characters for really slow computers?

And as even players with ancient PCs want to fulfill quests:

What are the best characters for really slow computers for each role and franchise?
Something like this happens on my old desktop with only 2gb of ram. Everytime someone uses a new ability (early teamfights, ults, etc.), it freezes for a while. Turning down all graphics and making sure nothing else runs in the background helped, then closing the microsoft debugger that randomly spawns every now and then helps a lot too.
cecarriere
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada12 Posts
June 05 2015 14:54 GMT
#8577
On June 05 2015 06:50 xDaunt wrote:
I'm shocked that people still haven't caught on to using Give 'em the Axe on Muradin. It's soooooo good. Screw Stoneform. Yeah, in highly organized play, I can see Muradins preferring it still. But for us solo-queuers, Give 'em the Axe turns Muradin into a beast that can carry shitty teams on his back.


What would be your other talent choices to go with Give 'em the Axe?

I guess I would pick lvl 4/TB and lvl 13/TS, but I'm not sure for level 1 and 7
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
June 05 2015 15:02 GMT
#8578
http://www.heroesfire.com/hots/talent-calculator/muradin#t5jr

IMO at least
Wat
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 05 2015 15:32 GMT
#8579
On June 06 2015 00:02 Tenks wrote:
http://www.heroesfire.com/hots/talent-calculator/muradin#t5jr

IMO at least

I prefer Crowd Control to Thunderburn. CC gives Muradin an effective wave clear. It also provides a more reliable "second" proc to Thunderburn because I don't trust good players to stay in Thunderburn's AoE. If you're in the middle of a pack of heroes where the battle is more likely to be stationary, CC will give you another Thunderclap pretty damned fast anyway.
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
June 05 2015 15:47 GMT
#8580
On June 05 2015 08:57 Valiver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2015 08:55 Chairman Ray wrote:
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/19529834/the-mayhem-begins-youtube-livestream-event-6-1-2015

This is what the launch party should have been! HYPE!!!

I wonder if they planned that ahead of time or just came up with it because of the negative way the launch party was received.


I got an invite to this maybe a month ago, it's always been part of the plan.
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
Prev 1 427 428 429 430 431 453 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Kung Fu Cup
20:00
Kung Fu Cup Weekly #26
IntoTheiNu 1105
RotterdaM623
SteadfastSC290
TKL 223
Rex134
CosmosSc2 37
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 632
SteadfastSC 290
TKL 229
Rex 134
CosmosSc2 37
ProTech33
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 42686
Calm 2840
Shuttle 2376
Jaedong 1594
Horang2 932
actioN 641
Mini 586
Soma 512
EffOrt 446
Soulkey 442
[ Show more ]
Stork 331
Rush 304
Larva 243
ZerO 223
BeSt 223
Snow 188
Mong 138
firebathero 132
Zeus 94
Mind 82
hero 70
910 69
Free 62
sorry 59
Hyun 47
Yoon 45
Sharp 45
Shine 37
Shinee 36
PianO 35
Pusan 31
JYJ 29
ToSsGirL 26
Bale 23
Aegong 22
Sexy 22
Terrorterran 20
HiyA 17
Hm[arnc] 16
Killer 13
Rock 12
Sacsri 12
scan(afreeca) 12
Noble 6
Dota 2
Gorgc5476
Dendi1284
Counter-Strike
fl0m2218
Fnx 596
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King175
ChuDatz19
Heroes of the Storm
Lowko371
Other Games
singsing2199
hiko702
crisheroes613
B2W.Neo306
DeMusliM227
Khaldor188
Livibee183
Pyrionflax174
Liquid`VortiX147
Liquid`RaSZi111
Trikslyr69
QueenE60
dupreeh43
ZerO(Twitch)15
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 1403
Other Games
BasetradeTV192
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream34
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH231
• mYiSmile15
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis2077
• Jankos1586
• TFBlade593
• Noizen108
Other Games
• Shiphtur625
Upcoming Events
Patches Events
1h 47m
The PondCast
19h 47m
INu's Battles
20h 47m
Percival vs SHIN
Zoun vs herO
OSC
1d 8h
Replay Cast
1d 8h
OSC
2 days
BSL: Ladder Tournament
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Patches Events
4 days
BSL Open Qualifier
4 days
[ Show More ]
BSL Open Qualifier
4 days
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
PiGosaur Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Copium Cup

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - GSB
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
HCC Season 3
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.