Heroes Large General Thread - Page 365

On March 03 2015 05:48 Heyoka wrote:
I'd like to start a support group for people who hate Haunted Mines and keep getting it in their games.

On March 03 2015 07:22 mordek wrote:
I'd say I enjoy haunted mines twice as much as garden terror.

On March 03 2015 07:52 Wuster wrote:


Haunted mines at least ends quickly if you're just outclassed.

Garden can be hard to finish sometimes so being on the losing end is really painful. On the other hand - comeback potential (assuming you aren't all flaming each other by then).

I know that Cursed Hallow is a good map, lots of mercy a non-binary objective, opportunities for come-back and all. But that map just takes so dang long and some of the teams you get just turn every tribute fight into a conga line of lemmings leaping to their death.

On March 03 2015 07:55 GMarshal wrote:

I would really like to make a montage at some point of some ridiculous tribute fight where both teams keep feeding members into the meatgrinder one at the time, set to benny hill theme music.

On March 03 2015 08:11 Godwrath wrote:
I love Cursed hollow. The endless teamfights for third tribute, the merc timings, etc, everything on it makes for the best map for me.

Haunted mines is the oppossite. I actually enjoy the scrappy fighting on it, but not how it quickly and on a binary fashion the game is decided the majority of time. The problem is that the earliest levels. Getting a 2/3 lvl early mid game advantadge is easy when you get the objectives and from there, it is very snowbally, since it's an easy map to finish early.

Take into account that level scaling is lineal so outside talent timings (which can also add up quite easilly the first 13 lvls), the first lvls have the biggest impact on stats for heroes. It's not the same lvl 8 to 9 from % on efficiency than 16-17 for example.

In short, the longer the map is played out, the less snowball potential in the map and bigger comeback chances.

On March 03 2015 08:47 Ramiz1989 wrote:

Yeah, Cursed Hollow probably is the best map out there, at least in my opinion. I had a laugh attack when we were fighting for like 2 minutes for one tribute in one of the games, and it was the first tribute of the game, lol. We didn't come as 5, but neither did they and we just kept killing each other, resurrecting and coming back, until they snowballed too hard and got it, but man it was super funny.

On March 03 2015 03:22 xDaunt wrote:
It is really, really hard to carry teams with catastrophically bad players on them because it is so hard to fight shorthanded. If you aren't able to force the other team to make mistakes and put them in positions where they are often shorthanded, you're probably going to lose. Even then, it only takes one mistake in the end game to cost your team the game -- even if you have a huge lead. In the game that I described above, I was playing as Uther and the other two players were Tychus and Muradin. We were lucky that we had the core functions of the team covered. We won most of the teamfights despite having a dipshit Zeratul and constantly split-pushing Zagara (I think I interrupted the enemy ETC's ult like 3-4 times), and still almost lost at the very end because our two newbs continued to screw up.

On March 03 2015 10:08 Big G wrote:
What I like about Cursed Hollow is that you aren't forced to play every objective. Team is out of position, oom, badly injured, 1 level behind, weaker in team fights at that stage? Ok fine, let's ignore the first tribute and do something else to catch up. Also the 2 bosses adds a bit of strategy to the map, there is a choice at any given time.

In Haunted Mines the map objective is just too predominant. I like the first golem because you have a few options, if you can't go for the big golem you may just collect 30ish skulls and then go back to lanes/mercs (enemy easy camp). After that there is no choice and very few chances to comeback. Losing a team fight means 80+ skulls golem and the game is essentially over.
The only thing I really like on this map is that I have the chance to experiment a bit more with team comps (at least at my lowish level), like Tassadar with upgraded shields and mules (OP!), and/or 2+ specialists with Demolitionist that can destroy at least 2 towers before the first mines.

Sky Temple is even worse though. Biggest map, shortest average duration. The problem here is that losing a team fight means that the other team can destroy forts, keeps and even the core with no further effort whatsoever. Like, there is no defender's advantage... it's totally possible to never go past mid map and still win.

On March 03 2015 14:12 FeyFey wrote:
I would say cursed and garden are the more easy to play maps especially for uncoordinated teams as losing at objectives isn't fatal so its more of a sandbox style map. I find the mines are really complex in that regard. There are so many options you can choose when the mines open first, but all require your team to work together perfectly. And of course depending on what your enemy does only 1 out of 4 decisions doesn't put you in a bad position.
If it would be possible to make mines less hard to get a comeback on the map would be great for spectators. Would still be hard on the players.