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NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-12 19:22:38
February 12 2015 19:19 GMT
#6581
I am curious about taking AE damage talent for W and then using Void Prison to set up a wombo combo. I mean VP could always be used to set up a combo but Zeratul could never contribute much to it himself. 2 bombs and a cleave might not be enough, especially when it means skipping Gathering Power, but 4 bombs and 2 cleaves is a ton of AE damage. It would probably be preferable to assassinating someone in some situations.

I'm also interested in setting up some nice synergy with a hero taking Executioner (and searing attacks and giant killer) and eventually Nexus Frenzy as mentioned above and then comboing it with a hero that has a ton of slows/roots/stuns. Something like Jaina + Tychus or Jaina + Valla would probably destroy any comp that was heavy on tanks and healers, or any comp that can't get to the back line. Or maybe Rehgar? Earthbind + Bloodlust jeeeeesus. Or earthbind + heals if you want to play it safe. Not sure it'd be a competitive tactic but it sure would be fun to blow some people up in pub games.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
February 12 2015 19:24 GMT
#6582
On February 13 2015 04:19 NonY wrote:
I am curious about taking AE damage talent for W and then using Void Prison to set up a wombo combo. I mean VP could always be used to set up a combo but Zeratul could never contribute much to it himself. 2 bombs and a cleave might not be enough, especially when it means skipping Gathering Power, but 4 bombs and 2 cleaves is a ton of AE damage. It would probably be preferable to assassinating someone in some situations.

I'm also interested in setting up some nice synergy with a hero taking Executioner (and searing attacks and giant killer) and eventually Nexus Frenzy as mentioned above and then comboing it with a hero that has a ton of slows/roots/stuns. Something like Jaina + Tychus or Jaina + Valla would probably destroy any comp that was heavy on tanks and healers, or any comp that can't get to the back line.

With regards to Zeratul, I bet you could land 2 or 3 bombs, but I don't know about 4. There's not enough time to get the fourth off (and maybe not the third) before the first bomb explodes. That's also a really nasty set of key strokes you have to enter properly to make it work.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10152 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-12 19:30:51
February 12 2015 19:29 GMT
#6583
Yeah i had been thinking about toying around it too, specially now that they changed gathering, when i finally get to sit down and play a lot. The thing is that you can blink + spike + spike + cleave normally killing a target that is being focused, wormhole, rewind and repeat on another target withouth having to hang on.

I don't really like auto attacks on zeratul. Yes, he can stick to a target, but why stay in melee range when you can just blink in, deal a bunch of damage, and blink out.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
February 12 2015 19:33 GMT
#6584
I'm assuming some other CC is going to follow the VP like Divine Storm or a root or something. Catch 3+ heroes with VP, then your allies get in position to use their CC, then do combo. But yeah, I agree. I was also gonna write how Rewind isn't that OP in practice (at least not yet) because it does take quite some time to cast all that shit and it's easy to mess up the rhythm of it, and Zeratul himself is squishy. But I decided not to get into it. I'm more of a mind to wait and see if the top players can get a lot of mileage out of it or not.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
February 12 2015 19:46 GMT
#6585
On February 12 2015 05:55 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2015 05:45 kingjames01 wrote:
Not sure if I'm missing something, but I can't find the list of NA players in the TL Player list. Can anyone direct me to them?


I tried to restore an old version that had EU and NA names on it, but now the list I'm viewing only has NA players instead of the only EU list

Nevermind there was a filter on screwing the list up. If you only see one region click the green arrow dropdown beside region and select both EU and NA (or just one if you want to filter by that region). You can tell a filter is on because the row numbers will not be in sequence.


Ah! Thank you!

I figured it would turn out to be something simple but I couldn't figure it out myself.
Who would sup with the mighty, must walk the path of daggers.
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4121 Posts
February 12 2015 20:01 GMT
#6586
Well voidprison allows for all sorts of combo anyway but I doubt you will be able to cast so much skills without your enemies spreading out when it ends. My favourite void prison combo is with gazlowe's E R E W, I don't think anyone can match that much damage and cc at the same time lol.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10152 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-12 20:09:01
February 12 2015 20:06 GMT
#6587
It's pretty hard to watch pro-matches with zeratul tho, since he is permabanned even harder than stiches last patch.
Amestir
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2126 Posts
February 12 2015 20:16 GMT
#6588
Alright I just have to rage about hero league for a second.

It's fucking retarded. I can never play the hero I want. Every draft feels like a fucking dice roll because nobody communicates which hero they are going to pick. The games are worse then in quick match. I always feel forced to pick a hero I don't want just to make my team comp suck less hard.
The worst of all is that people wont invite me in groups because I'm only rank 45. You know why? Because I dont fucking play hero league.
Without atleast 3 pre grouped people hero league is just hell.
We know nothing.
[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
February 12 2015 20:17 GMT
#6589
It depends on the region I haven't seen a lot of bans on zeratul on NA, most don't even play it, or maybe I just have bad luck.
WriterTeamLiquid Staff writer since 2014 @Mortal_Phantom
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
February 12 2015 20:24 GMT
#6590
On February 13 2015 05:16 Amestir wrote:
Alright I just have to rage about hero league for a second.

It's fucking retarded. I can never play the hero I want. Every draft feels like a fucking dice roll because nobody communicates which hero they are going to pick. The games are worse then in quick match. I always feel forced to pick a hero I don't want just to make my team comp suck less hard.
The worst of all is that people wont invite me in groups because I'm only rank 45. You know why? Because I dont fucking play hero league.
Without atleast 3 pre grouped people hero league is just hell.


This is why even though I've had hero league unlocked since it came out I play far more QM than hero. Usually when I boot up heroes I have an idea of who I want to play. In hero league I'm usually forced to play a tank or support role even if I feel like playing assassin.
Wat
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
February 12 2015 20:28 GMT
#6591
Anyone else watching ESL?

Turns out Chen's Wandering Keg is basically a poor-man's Emerald Wind now.

Was neat to see them use Anub (with webs!). Seemed like the entire team was made to be as annoying as possible.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10152 Posts
February 12 2015 20:39 GMT
#6592
Yeah. Sonya's damage with the +10% from talent, and +10% from ultimate buffs seems pretty good.
[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-12 20:46:47
February 12 2015 20:44 GMT
#6593
On February 13 2015 05:16 Amestir wrote:
Alright I just have to rage about hero league for a second.

It's fucking retarded. I can never play the hero I want. Every draft feels like a fucking dice roll because nobody communicates which hero they are going to pick. The games are worse then in quick match. I always feel forced to pick a hero I don't want just to make my team comp suck less hard.
The worst of all is that people wont invite me in groups because I'm only rank 45. You know why? Because I dont fucking play hero league.
Without atleast 3 pre grouped people hero league is just hell.


It seems like you are like myself, its a shame we are on different regions or i could add you and play with you.

I don't feel bad havint to play a hero i dont want because well, i only have heroes that i like, and i'm confortable playing any role, altough i generally play tank. The problem i have is when im on the firsts picks and even when i tell my team mates that they shouldn't choose x hero because is bad idea to have 3 healers, or because the team really needs a stun to stop nazeebo, and they don't listen <.<

And i agree that quickmatch can be better than ranked, specially now that there are more players, since quickmatch forces certain kind of compositions, its more difficult right now to get a bad comp on quickmatch.
WriterTeamLiquid Staff writer since 2014 @Mortal_Phantom
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
February 12 2015 21:02 GMT
#6594
On February 13 2015 05:44 [SXG]Phantom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2015 05:16 Amestir wrote:
Alright I just have to rage about hero league for a second.

It's fucking retarded. I can never play the hero I want. Every draft feels like a fucking dice roll because nobody communicates which hero they are going to pick. The games are worse then in quick match. I always feel forced to pick a hero I don't want just to make my team comp suck less hard.
The worst of all is that people wont invite me in groups because I'm only rank 45. You know why? Because I dont fucking play hero league.
Without atleast 3 pre grouped people hero league is just hell.


It seems like you are like myself, its a shame we are on different regions or i could add you and play with you.

I don't feel bad havint to play a hero i dont want because well, i only have heroes that i like, and i'm confortable playing any role, altough i generally play tank. The problem i have is when im on the firsts picks and even when i tell my team mates that they shouldn't choose x hero because is bad idea to have 3 healers, or because the team really needs a stun to stop nazeebo, and they don't listen <.<

And i agree that quickmatch can be better than ranked, specially now that there are more players, since quickmatch forces certain kind of compositions, its more difficult right now to get a bad comp on quickmatch.


I never get good team comps when I play quick match. Ten assassin games are actually fun I think, but that isn't a good team comp. The games where you're playing against Nazeebo or Thrall with no cc are just stupid.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
February 12 2015 21:12 GMT
#6595
Both quickmatch and hero league matchmaking have been complete trash for me. I'm getting close to the point where I don't really want to play anymore.
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
February 12 2015 21:18 GMT
#6596
On February 13 2015 05:39 Godwrath wrote:
Yeah. Sonya's damage with the +10% from talent, and +10% from ultimate buffs seems pretty good.


And now a Sonya game with Leap. Really neat to see her played differently *before* Blizzard gets around to buffing her.

Man that series was awesome, what a finish. I actually don't remember Fnatic being that good so that was a surprise to me.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
February 12 2015 22:25 GMT
#6597
On February 13 2015 06:02 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2015 05:44 [SXG]Phantom wrote:
On February 13 2015 05:16 Amestir wrote:
Alright I just have to rage about hero league for a second.

It's fucking retarded. I can never play the hero I want. Every draft feels like a fucking dice roll because nobody communicates which hero they are going to pick. The games are worse then in quick match. I always feel forced to pick a hero I don't want just to make my team comp suck less hard.
The worst of all is that people wont invite me in groups because I'm only rank 45. You know why? Because I dont fucking play hero league.
Without atleast 3 pre grouped people hero league is just hell.


It seems like you are like myself, its a shame we are on different regions or i could add you and play with you.

I don't feel bad havint to play a hero i dont want because well, i only have heroes that i like, and i'm confortable playing any role, altough i generally play tank. The problem i have is when im on the firsts picks and even when i tell my team mates that they shouldn't choose x hero because is bad idea to have 3 healers, or because the team really needs a stun to stop nazeebo, and they don't listen <.<

And i agree that quickmatch can be better than ranked, specially now that there are more players, since quickmatch forces certain kind of compositions, its more difficult right now to get a bad comp on quickmatch.


I never get good team comps when I play quick match. Ten assassin games are actually fun I think, but that isn't a good team comp. The games where you're playing against Nazeebo or Thrall with no cc are just stupid.


I cannot think of a 5 man comp that has 0 ways to interrupt Nazeebo ult or CC Thrall in some way, maybe not the best way, there's always a way.

Oh wait, I thought of one that can't deal with Nazeebo: Lili, Abathur, Arthas, Nova, Rehgar.

But again, that's really hard.

Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
February 12 2015 22:39 GMT
#6598
Here's another one: Arthas, Illidan, Rehgar, Tassadar, Nazeebo (not even going to dignify go gargantuan as an option).

You picked the two non-cc / interrupt healers so I had to reuse Rehgar. I could have put Malfurion there since he generally wants Tranq rather than Twilight Nightmare (or whatever it's called), but he can interrupt if necessary.
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4209 Posts
February 13 2015 00:15 GMT
#6599
Oh, not sure if you guys saw, but yesternight Nazgul confirmed a new HOTS team is on the way:

http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/players-and-teams/454611-team-liquid-discussion?page=85#1698
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
February 13 2015 00:45 GMT
#6600
On February 13 2015 07:39 Wuster wrote:
Here's another one: Arthas, Illidan, Rehgar, Tassadar, Nazeebo (not even going to dignify go gargantuan as an option).

You picked the two non-cc / interrupt healers so I had to reuse Rehgar. I could have put Malfurion there since he generally wants Tranq rather than Twilight Nightmare (or whatever it's called), but he can interrupt if necessary.


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