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Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-11 20:44:10
February 11 2015 20:41 GMT
#6541
She gets 20% more range at 20 which makes it safer to go auto attack build. Prior to this patch the W build was simply better for Valla. Now I think she has two viable build paths with some minor deviations (like at 13/16.) At 13 I think Frost Shot is also viable even going auto attack build. But you may want to go Battle Momentum at 7 if you plan on Frost Shot at 13.
Wat
kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
February 11 2015 20:45 GMT
#6542
Not sure if I'm missing something, but I can't find the list of NA players in the TL Player list. Can anyone direct me to them?
Who would sup with the mighty, must walk the path of daggers.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
February 11 2015 20:48 GMT
#6543
On February 12 2015 05:40 snailz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2015 00:20 Godwrath wrote:
On February 12 2015 00:07 snailz wrote:
what is this autoattack?

1. Rancor
2. Manticore/Vampiric Assault
3. Searing attacks
4. Strafe
5. Tempered by discipline/Giantslayer
6. Executioner/Blood for blood
7. Nexus frenzy

Some people grab the frost shot for executioner, but i rarely see that any worth.


i used to open like that always, except for nexus frenzy, which is new. ive stopped doing it cause people kept telling me multishot builds are superior. there was a guy in this thread even arguing about how important it is to open with extra range instead of hatred/attspeed


The benefit of the multishot build is the safety since you can just spam multishot from max range. If your team has enough peel to keep you safe or the enemies don't have the mobility to dive you then autoattack is superior even before the nexus frenzy change.

Giving up bolt to pick up the additional range doesn't seem feasible though.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-11 20:48:40
February 11 2015 20:48 GMT
#6544
Also I was theorycrafting a bit. Valla is one of the few ranged with Executioner still. So you build her single target with Executioner at 16. Illidan has the level 20 ability to apply slow on hit. So you go double support (probably Uther/Malf would be optimal), pick up a Tank (Stitches probably best just because Stitches but I think ETC could work for Mosh) then those two as your DPS. At level 20 your damage output would be pretty gross on a single target.
Wat
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-11 21:00:22
February 11 2015 20:55 GMT
#6545
On February 12 2015 05:45 kingjames01 wrote:
Not sure if I'm missing something, but I can't find the list of NA players in the TL Player list. Can anyone direct me to them?


I tried to restore an old version that had EU and NA names on it, but now the list I'm viewing only has NA players instead of the only EU list

Nevermind there was a filter on screwing the list up. If you only see one region click the green arrow dropdown beside region and select both EU and NA (or just one if you want to filter by that region). You can tell a filter is on because the row numbers will not be in sequence.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
February 11 2015 20:56 GMT
#6546
On February 12 2015 05:38 Tenks wrote:
Are people still building Zeratul mostly the same way these days or has the block/fa build become more common now that you have to choose between rending and double bombs?

Almost everyone who's any good with him always took first aid anyway (I liked regen master + singularity spike for stealth faggotry). The extra damage from rending cleave was never really necessary to kill things.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
February 11 2015 20:57 GMT
#6547
Man, Raynor with an adrenaline rush-centric talent build is really strong. He kicks out a shitton of damage with a ton of sustain. Also, battlecruiser (!) actually seems to be pretty damned good now. I think I like it more than banshees.
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
February 11 2015 20:58 GMT
#6548
Tempest Frenzy isn't just range, it also pushes her attacks to 2.5 attacks / second. That gives her an absurd 12 Searing Attacks. Valla ends up with a lot of burst with the AA build.

I have thought about swapping things around for Frost Shock's utility and synergy with Executioner, but I was never in the right situation to feel like I could pass up Blood for Blood / Stoneshield. Plus Giant Killer is a pretty good talent with attack speed.

I feel that Searing Attacks is too good to swap for Battle Momentum. But in a way you're just picking how you want to dump your mana - Searing Arrows or ability spam? So maybe a hybrid build will emerge.
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
February 11 2015 20:59 GMT
#6549
On February 12 2015 05:56 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2015 05:38 Tenks wrote:
Are people still building Zeratul mostly the same way these days or has the block/fa build become more common now that you have to choose between rending and double bombs?

Almost everyone who's any good with him always took first aid anyway (I liked regen master + singularity spike for stealth faggotry). The extra damage from rending cleave was never really necessary to kill things.


Unfortunately hotslogs nuked all their data but I'm 99% sure the most common played build in master league took rending instead of FA. I was quite shocked when I saw it.
Wat
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10126 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-11 21:04:46
February 11 2015 21:03 GMT
#6550
It's also the most played in pro games too. SoloQ is different and some people will neglect themselves just to use the talents of the big names.

But zeratul is now even more of an auto ban. RIP sweet prince of aiur.
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
February 11 2015 21:12 GMT
#6551
I think what they should do for Zeratul to bring him down just a notch is make it so you can only have one spike on you at a time. Like when it hits it takes a second to explode. Make it so you can just bomb, bomb, rewind, bomb, bomb almost instantly. If you want to perform a quad bomb you have to delay each throw by a second or so which gives the opponent some time to react to the situation. Would also make Zeratul a bit harder to play since right now he somewhat plays himself by just blinking in, Cleave, Double Bombs, Wormhole out.
Wat
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
February 11 2015 21:26 GMT
#6552
So there's ESL qualifiers going on right now on Khlador's stream. Current game features Diablo on SK Gaming!

I haven't played as him, but have played alongside him (welcome Founder's Packers!) and he definitely does damage now. Before after a certain point he was just walking around tickling people, was kind of sad really. But now, he can contribute to a fight.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10126 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-11 21:27:23
February 11 2015 21:27 GMT
#6553
More interesting is how Illidan is becoming a top pick now.
kaztah
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway1221 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-11 21:40:33
February 11 2015 21:38 GMT
#6554
I have 45 games of Illidan and I had no idea he even had executioner. What tier was that at?
Okey nevermind, obviously it's the same as Blood for Blood, as every other hero has it there.
I speak fluent sarcasm.
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-11 21:48:09
February 11 2015 21:47 GMT
#6555
On February 12 2015 06:27 Godwrath wrote:
More interesting is how Illidan is becoming a top pick now.


Last patch people were explaining that Zeratul is basically auto-banned, which leaves you with Kerrigan for combo or Illidan for more general dps.

Illidan was already the best chaser in the game and he just got Nexus Blades to make escape really impossible from him.

Maybe it's time to mess around with him after I'm done with Valla.

@ kaztah - I believe Executioner was a level 16 talent, which means you just skipped it for Stoneskin / Blood for Blood =p.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10126 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-11 21:51:08
February 11 2015 21:50 GMT
#6556
Oh yeah, Illidan was picked, but it certainly wasn't a really common pick (normally 1 specialist, 1 support, 1 hybrid, 1 ranged and 1 tank). Today he has featured a lot of games.

Also diablo respawn is hilarious on a map like sky temple.
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
February 11 2015 21:54 GMT
#6557
That's true, I haven't been watching all the games, but it certainly feels like Illidan is in a lot of them. Is it just Fnatic? Or have other teams been picking him up a lot today?

And ya, that Diablo respawn on Sky Temple was pretty strong (plus Lightning in close quarters is nasty).
Dismay
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1180 Posts
February 11 2015 22:04 GMT
#6558
Abathur for fivebux and the Lost Vikings for ten. I'm really tempted to pick up both.
In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-11 22:40:42
February 11 2015 22:30 GMT
#6559
So I just realized I want a nexus upgrade for Siege Tanks in Sc2 on my fusion core.

Also I wonder if talents should scale over the next 3 levels so it reaches its full power right before the next talent. That way they wouldn't hit so hard. Or that Talent levels would give no stat increase.
On the other hand playing around talent levels is actually an interesting mechanic which creates interesting plays.
kaztah
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway1221 Posts
February 11 2015 22:37 GMT
#6560
Man games sucks atm. First Monks get buffed in diablo 3, so everyone plays that. Then Sumail picks storm and everyone picks that and now suddenly Illidan is strong and everyone plays that. I just look like a pure fotm'er now, playing my favourites.
I speak fluent sarcasm.
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