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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
February 11 2015 08:24 GMT
#6501
The problem is that getting refunds from such a balance cycle is entirely antithetical to the LoL/HotS business model. The creation of a new hero/champion is meant to be one of above average or even imba strength to boost adoption, this is especially necessary since most initial players would be unfamiliar with the hero and only balatant imbalance would make the new match up with the old without anybody having played it. Then once peak familiarly and popularity has been obtained, the hero is nerfed back to the normal power standard and the new approved hero is released.
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Brian333
Profile Joined August 2010
657 Posts
February 11 2015 08:38 GMT
#6502
That's probably more necessary in LoL where nobody knows anything about a new hero. You don't need Thrall to be OP for people to buy him. You don't need Sylvanas to be OP for people to instant buy her. Just the simple fact that so many people are eagerly awaiting the other iconic heroes makes this difference more apparent. Also, because of design / new game reasons, Blizzard has much more freedom with introducing different heroes that also attract buyer attention. The Lost Vikings are an example of this. And, they're nerfing new and old heroes alike.
Amestir
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2126 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-11 09:17:17
February 11 2015 09:17 GMT
#6503
My Tryeal

We know nothing.
Yoav
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1874 Posts
February 11 2015 09:28 GMT
#6504
So how are people running Tyrael now? I just picked him up and he's a lot of fun, but sometimes I feel like I have no idea how to talent him.
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
February 11 2015 10:40 GMT
#6505
As long as we're talking builds, anyone try Valla auto-attack with the new talent? Super late game focused, but 20% range and attack speed is huge. I tried it twice. First game our team got demolished, second game it felt like I was just erasing people once I hit 20 (well before that too, but especially at 20).

Course I'm giving up a heroic upgrade for this and a lot of AoE / early game lane clear.

Anyone else try it?
snailz
Profile Joined April 2011
Croatia900 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-11 11:33:38
February 11 2015 11:19 GMT
#6506
On February 11 2015 10:19 xDaunt wrote:
For a few laughs.



i laughed like a maniac xD

what does it mean that a core is invulnerable until both keep and fort in the corresponding lane are destroyed? aren't there 3 lanes, how can it receive dmg depending on angle? did i misunderstood something here? english not first language, sorry
"I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch." - intrigue
byFd
Profile Joined May 2006
Germany620 Posts
February 11 2015 11:58 GMT
#6507
i guess it means that you need to kill keep and fort on one lane to damage the core? maybe before you just needed to kill one of them.
(>°_°)>
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10152 Posts
February 11 2015 12:10 GMT
#6508
On February 11 2015 10:19 xDaunt wrote:
For a few laughs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCIo_JihpXU

So long i had watched a video with "el risitas". Man, it's even hard to understand his spanish. Got teary eyes from laughter watching this.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
February 11 2015 12:49 GMT
#6509
On February 11 2015 20:58 byFd wrote:
i guess it means that you need to kill keep and fort on one lane to damage the core? maybe before you just needed to kill one of them.


If you walked around the fort and killed the keep, the Core would be vulnerable.
Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-11 13:57:44
February 11 2015 13:57 GMT
#6510
Best build ever: Nova with Lethal Decoy and Double Fake + Rewind. 4 clones that deal 25% of your damage each.

Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10152 Posts
February 11 2015 14:04 GMT
#6511
I still prefer the double orbital for TF to be honest.
snailz
Profile Joined April 2011
Croatia900 Posts
February 11 2015 14:21 GMT
#6512
On February 11 2015 21:49 deth2munkies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2015 20:58 byFd wrote:
i guess it means that you need to kill keep and fort on one lane to damage the core? maybe before you just needed to kill one of them.


If you walked around the fort and killed the keep, the Core would be vulnerable.


so does it mean now you have to kill all keeps and forts, or just both of them in one of x lanes? cuz i was playing hero league, we were ahead by 2 levels, lost only one wall and one fort, and they were down to like 2 keeps. they killed 2 of us, waited for us to get on their side of map, killed our keep and pushed core and won. will that still be possible? or do u have to clear the map now? it also shows how good skype is against ppl that solo queue like me... i could never get my team to push like that
"I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch." - intrigue
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
February 11 2015 14:43 GMT
#6513
Lost Vikings are imbalanced imo. Playing on Garden of Terror, one of the vikings takes the plant, while the rest two vikings soaking exp from mid and bottom lane, and we are pushing with our plant the top lane as plant +4 mates. We get like 2 levels ahead while this.
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Lokian
Profile Joined March 2010
United States699 Posts
February 11 2015 14:54 GMT
#6514
i tried auto attack valla and its really fun. didn t look too much at patch notes but her attack speed is faster overall it seems like so the gameplay is better. didnt really like the slowness for the heroes of this game but this char seems fast and in an d out.
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snailz
Profile Joined April 2011
Croatia900 Posts
February 11 2015 15:07 GMT
#6515
what is this autoattack?
"I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch." - intrigue
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22439 Posts
February 11 2015 15:12 GMT
#6516
On February 12 2015 00:07 snailz wrote:
what is this autoattack?

right click
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10152 Posts
February 11 2015 15:20 GMT
#6517
On February 12 2015 00:07 snailz wrote:
what is this autoattack?

1. Rancor
2. Manticore/Vampiric Assault
3. Searing attacks
4. Strafe
5. Tempered by discipline/Giantslayer
6. Executioner/Blood for blood
7. Nexus frenzy

Some people grab the frost shot for executioner, but i rarely see that any worth.
Nessy27
Profile Joined July 2010
United States10 Posts
February 11 2015 15:28 GMT
#6518
On February 11 2015 23:54 Lokian wrote:
i tried auto attack valla and its really fun. didn t look too much at patch notes but her attack speed is faster overall it seems like so the gameplay is better. didnt really like the slowness for the heroes of this game but this char seems fast and in an d out.


Yup, I've been trying auto-attack builds for the heroes that got the Nexus Frenzy talent. Giant Killer was buffed a lot because of this one talent. Everything, especially tanks, drop sooo fast when Valla has max hatred stacks.

Hammer and Raynor can now out-range a tower with auto-attacks, if that even means much at 20.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
February 11 2015 15:57 GMT
#6519
vikings are fun. Hey go out there you 4 and have fun I got the exp thing. But really need to keep the level advantage I think.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
February 11 2015 16:48 GMT
#6520
On February 11 2015 17:24 Kupon3ss wrote:
The problem is that getting refunds from such a balance cycle is entirely antithetical to the LoL/HotS business model. The creation of a new hero/champion is meant to be one of above average or even imba strength to boost adoption, this is especially necessary since most initial players would be unfamiliar with the hero and only balatant imbalance would make the new match up with the old without anybody having played it. Then once peak familiarly and popularity has been obtained, the hero is nerfed back to the normal power standard and the new approved hero is released.

I have heard this before but is it just speculation or has a current or former employee claimed it?
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
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