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TT1
Canada10096 Posts
On February 11 2015 04:42 Swisslink wrote: Am i the only one who thinks that Chen is completely dead now? Less dmg, no more root, Chug gone (or not even a slow)... And why did they nerf him that hard? u have to go for a survivability build + barrel roll to disrupt fights imo | ||
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xDaunt
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TT1
Canada10096 Posts
omfg LOL | ||
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Wuster
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wongfeihung
United States763 Posts
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sushiko
197 Posts
I really hope there's a subforum here so I can stop going to reddit. | ||
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Tenks
United States3104 Posts
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Tenks
United States3104 Posts
On February 11 2015 10:31 sushiko wrote: reddit is a cesspool that makes solo queuing unbearable. They think they're the best on the team while repeating verbatim something they "learned", such as tier lists and the-one-and-only-build that got 10 upvotes so it must be good. Rarely any meaningful discussion goes on there, just a lot of proclamations of why x hero is too strong, gold gain is too slow, or my opinions as a dota/lol/smite player. Then there's the occasional QQ and sometimes readable posts. I love reddit because every post makes me laugh, lurking there is one of the best things to do before playing hots. I really hope there's a subforum here so I can stop going to reddit. Zoia, one of the hosts on Town Hall, is the worst for just parroting what he hears from "pro" players and presenting it as fact and his own opinion he's reached. This game is so new that experimentation should be ripe and nothing should be taken as fact. | ||
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renlynn
United States276 Posts
On February 11 2015 10:47 Tenks wrote: Why the heck is Barrel Boys banning Azmo? there were a few games in a tournament last week where tempo storm picked azmo and did some silly things with his black pool / + damage on kill combo. related: + Show Spoiler + | ||
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sushiko
197 Posts
On February 11 2015 10:49 Tenks wrote: Zoia, one of the hosts on Town Hall, is the worst for just parroting what he hears from "pro" players and presenting it as fact and his own opinion he's reached. This game is so new that experimentation should be ripe and nothing should be taken as fact. Experimentation should always be the focus, even in older games like dota/lol. In dota, I would try and pick heroes based off of our team comp and try for some silly combos. Rarely would I ever "counterpick" because honestly, counterpicking rarely worked because it meant our team comp literally never existed and ended up with whether or not we were able to outplay them and never "we won because we counterpicked X". Heroes is already being analyzed like its finalized with people complaining about nerfs/buffs that will make the heroes either useless/OP. They go to reddit, see someone post a thread on why the latest patch made some hero bad, and now he's relegated to shit tier based off of theorycrafting. Then a pro team comes out with some comp/play and now he's firstpick. Unfortunately, the game is too hard for most people to think critically, so they'll just rely on netguides to play, buy current tierlist heroes, etc. Reddit now has threads about wanting gold refunds on heroes that were nerfed lol. I'm afraid the community is already lost, and frankly I blame reddit and their mob mentality focus downvoting any form of dissent that could actually bring valid discussions. Now we're stuck with tierlist picks and flaming when I picked ETC first rather than stitches/valla, but still proceeded to win the game with epic 4-5man mosh pits. Then I still got flamed because "I would've played stitches better"... | ||
[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
For example, on one game, i was playing assasin, and i told chen or gazlowe to take the garden terror because they are the best heroes to take it and not DPS or sup, and they refused because i don't know what the fuck they were doing. I had to take it myself (tychus) and if i had come to the base literally one second later we would have lost the terror. Then on the next match a jaina just decides that since he died for the fifth time because she doesn't know anything about position she is going to just afk and just move and hit something ocassionally to not get kicked. Put IdrA or zuna or whoever you like on that team and i swear to you they're going to lose. Your kind of right that i take specific examples, but this aren't just one game out of ten, these have been 2 of my last 3 games <.<, the exceptions seems to be that i sometimes get a team that knows what they are doing, win or lose they at least know what they are doing, but its not the usual thing. But anyway, this is the last post i will make about it and just keep playing hoping it'll get better. | ||
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Brian333
657 Posts
It's not even about theorycrafting or a hero being good or bad. In a case like Tyrael, cast aside was a well designed talent. It changed the way the base skill worked in a significant and unique way and gave Tyrael a niche and identity as a warrior. It also added to his skill cap and had a bit of downside. All talents should be at that level. It's a travesty it was removed. | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
Bit on the nose there. I will say that there are a lot of changes that really don't make any fucking sense, but we'll see. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On February 11 2015 13:46 Brian333 wrote: Um, I can fully understand asking for gold refunds for heroes. When you look at a hero like Abathur, they're basically a different hero after their "rework." There are heroes I've bought that I haven't touched since they were changed in some way. It's not for a lack of experimentation. It's that their new play style is not what I paid for. A hero that I will unfortunately be adding to that list is Tyrael. It's not even about theorycrafting or a hero being good or bad. In a case like Tyrael, cast aside was a well designed talent. It changed the way the base skill worked in a significant and unique way and gave Tyrael a niche and identity as a warrior. It also added to his skill cap and had a bit of downside. All talents should be at that level. It's a travesty it was removed. Tyrael's niche is as a tank who can assassinate 1 high priority target. Cast aside isn't that important for that function. Frankly, I like using reduced CD talent for smite at level 4 most of the time (unless I really like my healer), and it works far better without cast aside than with it. | ||
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[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
Also, they seem to nerf tyrael damage every patch. Now, this doesn't affect me yet because altough i have my tyrael at lvl 9, i haven't bought it yet, but its a shame thathe is no longer as fun as he used to be, i'm not even talking about the damage or OP/UP. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On February 11 2015 14:19 [SXG]Phantom wrote: Cast aside isnt that important for that function? By placing a good cast aside you could guarantee the death of a hero with 50% hp or less, or you could help him get away, there were hundreds of useful situations where cast aside would be awesome. And it wasn't just good, it was fun, and i don't like they take fun away from the heroes. Also, they seem to nerf tyrael damage every patch. Now, this doesn't affect me yet because altough i have my tyrael at lvl 9, i haven't bought it yet, but its a shame thathe is no longer as fun as he used to be, i'm not even talking about the damage or OP/UP. Pro teams don't pick Tyrael for cast aside. They pick him for judgment => smite => blood for blood => eldruin => smite. | ||
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Brian333
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sushiko
197 Posts
On February 11 2015 13:46 Brian333 wrote: Um, I can fully understand asking for gold refunds for heroes. When you look at a hero like Abathur, they're basically a different hero after their "rework." There are heroes I've bought that I haven't touched since they were changed in some way. It's not for a lack of experimentation. It's that their new play style is not what I paid for. A hero that I will unfortunately be adding to that list is Tyrael. It's not even about theorycrafting or a hero being good or bad. In a case like Tyrael, cast aside was a well designed talent. It changed the way the base skill worked in a significant and unique way and gave Tyrael a niche and identity as a warrior. It also added to his skill cap and had a bit of downside. All talents should be at that level. It's a travesty it was removed. It's sad Tyrael lost an interesting talent, but that doesn't justify a refund of gold at all. The overall purpose of buying heroes is to be able to play without restriction, aka when it's not on free rotation. Blizzard shouldn't have to care whether you bought it based off play style, collecting every hero, getting the 10 for hero/team league, etc. The intentions of buying the hero is really pointless as an argument, because ultimately you're just buying it to access the hero at will. Some people will buy heroes because they love the play style, I understand that. But honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if every single hero right now will be changed somehow by the next few years. Maybe it's because I came from dota, but I don't place numerical value on heroes. 2k heroes are just as good as 10k, and nerfs/buffs to heroes definitely don't make them op/trash. Maybe they do now, but I'll accept it as temporary since its early beta with a very limited hero pool and Blizzard is still trying to flesh out the game. I say accept the sunk cost, it may mean you never play a hero again, then buy another hero, or play another game entirely. If this was posted on reddit, i'd probably be downvoted to oblivion. | ||
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Brian333
657 Posts
TBH I would be all for an optional refund on heroes that were patched. If anything, it would serve as a good measure of how much people approve of their changes. Don't care for the refund? Then don't use it. Don't go whining about the people who do, though. I have numerous friends that mained Abathur because he was a fun and unique hero that have stopped playing entirely after Blizzard nerfed him into the ground. A refund of the money and gold they spent on him + skins might not do much for them, but I still think it'd be a kind gesture. | ||
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sushiko
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